All Blacks 2024
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Depends on the nature of the losses, but 10-4 would be a low bar for many people.
To quote Marcellus Wallace: "You see, this profession is filled to the brim with unrealistic motherfuckers."
I guess everyone has their own expectations. I'm reading what Grubster is writing and thinking I'm on the same page.
One thing I haven't really taken into account is to what extent these other teams are rebuilding.
England for instance seem to have pretty much the same forward pack they used at the RWC, but the backs are markedly different. The couple of preview articles I've read suggest they're playing more expansively and the English have some optimism that they might catch us undercooked. Considering Razor's got two weeks to unfold his gameplan (and sprinkle his magic dust around) that wouldn't surprise me.
If we go down to the poms the sharks will be taking chunks out of the sufboard before he's paddled past the breakers.
Given I didn't watch the Six Nations - what should we expect from England? Is this basically the team they used - or did they have Farrell etc?
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Given I didn't watch the Six Nations - what should we expect from England? Is this basically the team they used - or did they have Farrell etc?
Farrel was unavailable fro 6n, so the now injured Ford started all the games. Their tens are much worse than ours, DMAC> than them and obvs Beaudy heaps of experience and Plummer at a level similar to the two Smiths
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Given I didn't watch the Six Nations - what should we expect from England? Is this basically the team they used - or did they have Farrell etc?
Farrel was unavailable fro 6n, so the now injured Ford started all the games. Their tens are much worse than ours, DMAC> than them and obvs Beaudy heaps of experience and Plummer at a level similar to the two Smiths
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hmmmm....
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
hmmmm....
so that and Scott Barrett captain..
should be fun
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Yeah both the wings have been on fire in club, and their midfield looks very good - Slade is on form. It's a very flash harry bunch for england, not a huge amount of caps the backs vs Japan about 150 - 60 are Slade's and 30 each for Smith and Lawrence
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Devlin saying his source has Scott Barrett to be named as Captain.@Frank said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
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Devlin saying his source has Scott Barrett to be named as Captain.https://twitter.com/martindevlinnz/status/1802904714209828980
change x to twitter and it works.
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Devlin saying his source has Scott Barrett to be named as Captain.@Frank said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
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Devlin saying his source has Scott Barrett to be named as Captain.That won't surprise me.
My guess is that Cane is at Razor's camp and that's extrapolated to him making the team.
I'd expect Beauden and Ardie (assuming he's in the country) to be there - and probably some of the injured guys who won't be fit for England - Jordan, Roigard etc.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
If true, that's such a backwards selection. I thought Razor was all about innovation and picking the 'best' players? Cane hasn't played for ages and is 'E Blackadder' level injury prone these days.
A little surprised if he is fit already, but I kind off expected him in the Championship squad.
It seemed like a negotiated exit.. he cuts his (expensive) contract short in return he gets nursed to 100 caps
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
It seemed like a negotiated exit.. he cuts his (expensive) contract short in return he gets nursed to 100 caps
Considering Razor dropped Wyatt Crockett on 99 caps, I highly doubt he is being "nursed" to 100.
That's not the way Razor works.It'll be because they still rate him
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@Frank said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
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Devlin saying his source has Scott Barrett to be named as Captain.That won't surprise me.
My guess is that Cane is at Razor's camp and that's extrapolated to him making the team.
I'd expect Beauden and Ardie (assuming he's in the country) to be there - and probably some of the injured guys who won't be fit for England - Jordan, Roigard etc.
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Frank said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
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Devlin saying his source has Scott Barrett to be named as Captain.That won't surprise me.
My guess is that Cane is at Razor's camp and that's extrapolated to him making the team.
I'd expect Beauden and Ardie (assuming he's in the country) to be there - and probably some of the injured guys who won't be fit for England - Jordan, Roigard etc.
Yeah I agree. Barrett as capt is pretty obvious for his connection with Razor to be Captain, ala Cane with foster. At least he is by far the best in his role, unlike Cane for his entire tenure
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hmmmm....
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
hmmmm....
Starting to have faith in this Razor bloke.
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@Duluth said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
It seemed like a negotiated exit.. he cuts his (expensive) contract short in return he gets nursed to 100 caps
Considering Razor dropped Wyatt Crockett on 99 caps, I highly doubt he is being "nursed" to 100.
That's not the way Razor works.It'll be because they still rate him
@Frank said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
It seemed like a negotiated exit.. he cuts his (expensive) contract short in return he gets nursed to 100 caps
Considering Razor dropped Wyatt Crockett on 99 caps, I highly doubt he is being "nursed" to 100.
That's not the way Razor works.It'll be because they still rate him
When did Razor drop Crockett on 99 caps?
I think you have your wires crossed. Razor dropped Crockett for his last game for the Crusaders in a Super Rugby Final.
Agree with you though, it will be because they still rate him. Razor doesn’t seem one to hand games out just to be a nice guy.
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@Duluth said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
It seemed like a negotiated exit.. he cuts his (expensive) contract short in return he gets nursed to 100 caps
Considering Razor dropped Wyatt Crockett on 99 caps, I highly doubt he is being "nursed" to 100.
That's not the way Razor works.It'll be because they still rate him
@Frank said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
It seemed like a negotiated exit.. he cuts his (expensive) contract short in return he gets nursed to 100 caps
Considering Razor dropped Wyatt Crockett on 99 caps, I highly doubt he is being "nursed" to 100.
That's not the way Razor works.It'll be because they still rate him
On what basis though? He's hardly played this year and when he has it has been in the Japan league which is a massive step down from test rugby. Razor made a comment that he was going to pick the 'best players', Cane isn't that anymore. What's the point in even selecting him anyway when we have other guys that can do the job, who have the chance to get a taste of international footy, and who aren't retiring at seasons end.
I wonder if Devlin has been asked to stir the pot so there are more eyeballs on Sky next Monday for the announcement. I'm beginning to think Devlin might be @george33 in disguise. Cane's chances of making the ABs - 50/50
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@Frank said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
It seemed like a negotiated exit.. he cuts his (expensive) contract short in return he gets nursed to 100 caps
Considering Razor dropped Wyatt Crockett on 99 caps, I highly doubt he is being "nursed" to 100.
That's not the way Razor works.It'll be because they still rate him
When did Razor drop Crockett on 99 caps?
I think you have your wires crossed. Razor dropped Crockett for his last game for the Crusaders in a Super Rugby Final.
Agree with you though, it will be because they still rate him. Razor doesn’t seem one to hand games out just to be a nice guy.
@Landers92 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Frank said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
It seemed like a negotiated exit.. he cuts his (expensive) contract short in return he gets nursed to 100 caps
Considering Razor dropped Wyatt Crockett on 99 caps, I highly doubt he is being "nursed" to 100.
That's not the way Razor works.It'll be because they still rate him
When did Razor drop Crockett on 99 caps?
I think you have your wires crossed. Razor dropped Crockett for his last game for the Crusaders in a Super Rugby Final.
Agree with you though, it will be because they still rate him. Razor doesn’t seem one to hand games out just to be a nice guy.
Oh you are right, dropped for last game.
Point still stands about a ruthless focus on team performance and sentiment not clouding selections. Especially since in the case of Cane there is no pre-existing coach-player relationship
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@Frank said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
It seemed like a negotiated exit.. he cuts his (expensive) contract short in return he gets nursed to 100 caps
Considering Razor dropped Wyatt Crockett on 99 caps, I highly doubt he is being "nursed" to 100.
That's not the way Razor works.It'll be because they still rate him
On what basis though? He's hardly played this year and when he has it has been in the Japan league which is a massive step down from test rugby. Razor made a comment that he was going to pick the 'best players', Cane isn't that anymore. What's the point in even selecting him anyway when we have other guys that can do the job, who have the chance to get a taste of international footy, and who aren't retiring at seasons end.
I wonder if Devlin has been asked to stir the pot so there are more eyeballs on Sky next Monday for the announcement. I'm beginning to think Devlin might be @george33 in disguise. Cane's chances of making the ABs - 50/50
@Canes4life my guess is, there are plenty of fringe players also in attendance at the gathering/camp etc this week, some wont make the cut, but is exposing these to the environment, so whoever is spying at this camp, sees Player X, speculates...
That said, I understand some of those in the Maori squad have already been told if they are in, so I'd say many in the ABs will know, there may also be a few hinging on what happens this weekend too or at least coming through unscathed.
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@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I'm liking this new excuse pre-prepared for Razor: World Rugby is now more competitive.
What else can this thread conjure?
I’m almost hoping the ABs finish the test season with a losing record just to see some you guys go crazy. Meanwhile Razor will be laughing saying, three more years
Don't worry you'll be a convert shortly.
Generally speaking I am surprised at the number of fins already circling the surfboard. We are not even in the water yet.well, he's following a (/sarc) successful coach who took us within 1 point of a RWC with 14 v 15. So he's got big shoes to fill
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I'm liking this new excuse pre-prepared for Razor: World Rugby is now more competitive.
What else can this thread conjure?
I’m almost hoping the ABs finish the test season with a losing record just to see some you guys go crazy. Meanwhile Razor will be laughing saying, three more years
Don't worry you'll be a convert shortly.
Generally speaking I am surprised at the number of fins already circling the surfboard. We are not even in the water yet.well, he's following a (/sarc) successful coach who took us within 1 point of a RWC with 14 v 15. So he's got big shoes to fill
The WC proved to me we had the cattle.
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@Canes4life my guess is, there are plenty of fringe players also in attendance at the gathering/camp etc this week, some wont make the cut, but is exposing these to the environment, so whoever is spying at this camp, sees Player X, speculates...
That said, I understand some of those in the Maori squad have already been told if they are in, so I'd say many in the ABs will know, there may also be a few hinging on what happens this weekend too or at least coming through unscathed.
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Canes4life my guess is, there are plenty of fringe players also in attendance at the gathering/camp etc this week, some wont make the cut, but is exposing these to the environment, so whoever is spying at this camp, sees Player X, speculates...
That said, I understand some of those in the Maori squad have already been told if they are in, so I'd say many in the ABs will know, there may also be a few hinging on what happens this weekend too or at least coming through unscathed.
Yeah you're probably right, someone probably saw him at the airport, knew there was a camp taking place and then put two and two together. I hope that's the case anyway.
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@Frank said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
It seemed like a negotiated exit.. he cuts his (expensive) contract short in return he gets nursed to 100 caps
Considering Razor dropped Wyatt Crockett on 99 caps, I highly doubt he is being "nursed" to 100.
That's not the way Razor works.It'll be because they still rate him
On what basis though? He's hardly played this year and when he has it has been in the Japan league which is a massive step down from test rugby. Razor made a comment that he was going to pick the 'best players', Cane isn't that anymore. What's the point in even selecting him anyway when we have other guys that can do the job, who have the chance to get a taste of international footy, and who aren't retiring at seasons end.
I wonder if Devlin has been asked to stir the pot so there are more eyeballs on Sky next Monday for the announcement. I'm beginning to think Devlin might be @george33 in disguise. Cane's chances of making the ABs - 50/50
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Frank said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
It seemed like a negotiated exit.. he cuts his (expensive) contract short in return he gets nursed to 100 caps
Considering Razor dropped Wyatt Crockett on 99 caps, I highly doubt he is being "nursed" to 100.
That's not the way Razor works.It'll be because they still rate him
On what basis though? He's hardly played this year and when he has it has been in the Japan league which is a massive step down from test rugby. Razor made a comment that he was going to pick the 'best players', Cane isn't that anymore.
So you too think Ardie should be in the NPC instead?
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Frank said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
It seemed like a negotiated exit.. he cuts his (expensive) contract short in return he gets nursed to 100 caps
Considering Razor dropped Wyatt Crockett on 99 caps, I highly doubt he is being "nursed" to 100.
That's not the way Razor works.It'll be because they still rate him
On what basis though? He's hardly played this year and when he has it has been in the Japan league which is a massive step down from test rugby. Razor made a comment that he was going to pick the 'best players', Cane isn't that anymore.
So you too think Ardie should be in the NPC instead?
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Frank said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
It seemed like a negotiated exit.. he cuts his (expensive) contract short in return he gets nursed to 100 caps
Considering Razor dropped Wyatt Crockett on 99 caps, I highly doubt he is being "nursed" to 100.
That's not the way Razor works.It'll be because they still rate him
On what basis though? He's hardly played this year and when he has it has been in the Japan league which is a massive step down from test rugby. Razor made a comment that he was going to pick the 'best players', Cane isn't that anymore.
So you too think Ardie should be in the NPC instead?
As mentioned above it's impossible to gauge test form based on a player plying his trade in the Japan League. Ardie hasn't been injured this year, so even though he made the Japan league look like club rugby at times, the coaches will look silly if they exclude the reigning world player of the year, who by the way is about to put pen to paper on a long-term contract with NZ Rugby and isn't retiring at the end of the year.
My biggest gripe is that there is literally no point persisting with Cane, we've got guys coming through who are more than capable of doing the job i.e. Papali'i getting consistent starts, Lakai learning under him etc. Cane just gets in the way of all that.
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If there's 5 loosies and two of them are Ardie & Cane, there's only three places for SR players. If Blackadder takes up one of them then there's only two loosies with meaningful SR form
Remember when Canes fans were talking about how many loosies they were going to have in the squad? It could easily be zero from this years team
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If there's 5 loosies and two of them are Ardie & Cane, there's only three places for SR players. If Blackadder takes up one of them then there's only two loosies with meaningful SR form
Remember when Canes fans were talking about how many loosies they were going to have in the squad? It could easily be zero from this years team
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
If there's 5 loosies and two of them are Ardie & Cane, there's only three places for SR players. If Blackadder takes up one of them then there's only two loosies with meaningful SR form
Remember when Canes fans were talking about how many loosies they were going to have in the squad? It could easily be zero from this years team
Lakai and Iose were probably the only two in consideration. Lakai rightfully or wrongfully will now likely miss out because of Cane. Whether that’s the right way to go or not, I guess we’ll find out. Jacobsen will be another that will be peeved off by this news.
