All Blacks 2024
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@Canes4life
There does seem to be a real squeeze on now for squad places. Albeit, if only amongst fan chat.It appears that we may not have many new caps in the ABs even though we have lost 8 players overseas after the RWC.
Is a 32 man squad too small?
The Boks named a lot of new faces (different circumstances I know) but I would be dissapointed if we don’t
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Is a 32 man squad too small?
We only need 23.
It's only too small if we're looking to fit all our pet provincial picks in.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Lol how is Billy Proctor all of a sudden unfavoured. He was clearly the form centre throughout the majority of Super rugby and has been kicking the door down for a couple years now with his consistency. I'll be very surprised if he wasn't selected, especially because Holland is selecting the centres and he pushed for his case when he was coaching the Canes aswell.
My opinion only.
Could be wrong and not watched him close enough. But he's least favoured of the most mentioned to me, and I can see the attraction of Havili, and Proctor is the guy I'd leave out.
Sorry, to alll the Canes Mafia.
@booboo said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Could be wrong and not watched him close enough
Probably why you've come to this conclusion.
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@ACT-Crusader AJ Lam 12,13,14 problem solved
@george33 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@ACT-Crusader AJ Lam 12,13,14 problem solved
For who? Proctor?
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@DaGrubster Proctor is easily pushing Ioane to be the top centre in NZ. If Havili pushes him out that would be bloody disappointing considering he doesn't even play 13. I don't think it will happen though, each specific position selector has been watching each NZ player closely all year and based on that Proctor's consistency should see him through. Conrad Smith came out the other day and to him Proctor was a certainty in this squad, he obviously reminds him of how he played in the Black jersey.
There needs to be a number of fresh faces in this side, if we select largely the same squad as last year we won't be improving much IMO.
A former Hurricanes player campaigning for a current Hurricanes player, well I never….
Proctor has been excellent this season. The only question I think they’ll be asking is in a small squad of 32 and with Ioane, Jordie and ALB certainties, does the other back we pick need to more of a midfield/wing specialist option? And before anyone says it, Ioane is not that guy any more IMO.
I just the judgment of our greatest test centre over Holland any day.
Nah Ioane can cover wing IMO. We need specialist players in this squad. I'm sick of shitter players getting in just because there's a chance they may be needed on the wing. If Ioane has to move out to the wing for 15 mins of a test then so be it.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@DaGrubster Proctor is easily pushing Ioane to be the top centre in NZ. If Havili pushes him out that would be bloody disappointing considering he doesn't even play 13. I don't think it will happen though, each specific position selector has been watching each NZ player closely all year and based on that Proctor's consistency should see him through. Conrad Smith came out the other day and to him Proctor was a certainty in this squad, he obviously reminds him of how he played in the Black jersey.
There needs to be a number of fresh faces in this side, if we select largely the same squad as last year we won't be improving much IMO.
A former Hurricanes player campaigning for a current Hurricanes player, well I never….
Proctor has been excellent this season. The only question I think they’ll be asking is in a small squad of 32 and with Ioane, Jordie and ALB certainties, does the other back we pick need to more of a midfield/wing specialist option? And before anyone says it, Ioane is not that guy any more IMO.
I just the judgment of our greatest test centre over Holland any day.
Nah Ioane can cover wing IMO. We need specialist players in this squad. I'm sick of shitter players getting in just because there's a chance they may be needed on the wing. If Ioane has to move out to the wing for 15 mins of a test then so be it.
How much selecting and professional coaching has Smith done?
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@george33 AJ in front of Proctor, that's hysterical. Remember Holland is selecting the centres so you may aswell lock in Proctor now.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@george33 AJ in front of Proctor, that's hysterical. Remember Holland is selecting the centres so you may aswell lock in Proctor now.
Why? Is Holland that close minded?
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@george33 Proctor has played a few games at 12 before and he played a whole season at 15 for Wellington a few years ago. But he's mostly an out and out centre which the ABs honestly need.
There's no need for utilities because Ioane can play wing if we really need him to.
This squad naming is going to be very intriguing indeed.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Proctor has played a few games at 12
Test match quality then.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@george33 AJ in front of Proctor, that's hysterical. Remember Holland is selecting the centres so you may aswell lock in Proctor now.
Why? Is Holland that close minded?
@booboo said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@george33 AJ in front of Proctor, that's hysterical. Remember Holland is selecting the centres so you may aswell lock in Proctor now.
Why? I'd Holland that close minded?
Holland's selecting the centres right? He's coached Proctor so he knows how much of an asset he is to any team. He was quoted saying he would have picked Proctor last year for the ABs if he was in that coaching setup. Proctor has gone up a notch in performance this year so when I put two and two together, it's hard to see Proctor missing out. This is about the third time Proctor has been on the cusp of AB selection, he's been knocking on the door for a long time and I think he deserves his chance.
I wouldn't be picking Proctor to cover 12 either, we don't need him to. Conrad Smith didn't and look how successful he was in the black jersey. We have enough versatility in the backs.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
deserving Crusaders players won't get a fair shake
Feel free to put some specific names here.
Sevu Reece, Codie Taylor, anyone else standout this year? Jamie Hannah looks very good but probably too early for him.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
deserving Crusaders players won't get a fair shake
Feel free to put some specific names here.
Sevu Reece, Codie Taylor, anyone else standout this year? Jamie Hannah looks very good but probably too early for him.
Newell
Ricky Baker
Scooter
And I hate to say it but Blackadder -
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Rumour is George Bell to be named in the AB squad on Monday.
I get that. Would prefer Rikkirik. He's looked t h e goods this year after going off for a couple, but can see the attraction of Bell longer term
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@booboo said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@george33 AJ in front of Proctor, that's hysterical. Remember Holland is selecting the centres so you may aswell lock in Proctor now.
Why? I'd Holland that close minded?
Holland's selecting the centres right? He's coached Proctor so he knows how much of an asset he is to any team. He was quoted saying he would have picked Proctor last year for the ABs if he was in that coaching setup. Proctor has gone up a notch in performance this year so when I put two and two together, it's hard to see Proctor missing out. This is about the third time Proctor has been on the cusp of AB selection, he's been knocking on the door for a long time and I think he deserves his chance.
I wouldn't be picking Proctor to cover 12 either, we don't need him to. Conrad Smith didn't and look how successful he was in the black jersey. We have enough versatility in the backs.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@george33 AJ in front of Proctor, that's hysterical. Remember Holland is selecting the centres so you may aswell lock in Proctor now.
Why? I'd Holland that close minded?
Holland's selecting the centres right? He's coached Proctor so he knows how much of an asset he is to any team. He was quoted saying he would have picked Proctor last year for the ABs if he was in that coaching setup. Proctor has gone up a notch in performance this year so when I put two and two together, it's hard to see Proctor missing out. This is about the third time Proctor has been on the cusp of AB selection, he's been knocking on the door for a long time and I think he deserves his chance.
I wouldn't be picking Proctor to cover 12 either, we don't need him to. Conrad Smith didn't and look how successful he was in the black jersey. We have enough versatility in the backs.
You're pretty much saying that Holland will pick Proctor because he's coached him before, rather than looking wider at all the available talent.
I really hope he has a broader mind than that.
Imagine if Razor picked Cullen Grace because he knew him from the Crusaders.
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@Landers92 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
1 thing I think we can all agree on here is that the emergence of Proctor is the best thing that could happen for the centre position in the All Blacks squad.
If Proctor gets a chance and plays out of his skin, awesome. If Rieko Ioane continues to get picked, he has a young and in form centre right behind him waiting for his chance. The competitive edge will bring out the best in both players and keep them honest. I’m not saying Ioane has become complacent, but he hasn’t exactly had a centre breathing down his neck since he’s been the All Blacks 13(ALB the nearest).
It’s a win win and we should all be glad Proctor has improved as much as he has.
100%, it's good for the ABs that's for sure. Let's just hope Proctor gets in.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Landers92 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
1 thing I think we can all agree on here is that the emergence of Proctor is the best thing that could happen for the centre position in the All Blacks squad.
If Proctor gets a chance and plays out of his skin, awesome. If Rieko Ioane continues to get picked, he has a young and in form centre right behind him waiting for his chance. The competitive edge will bring out the best in both players and keep them honest. I’m not saying Ioane has become complacent, but he hasn’t exactly had a centre breathing down his neck since he’s been the All Blacks 13(ALB the nearest).
It’s a win win and we should all be glad Proctor has improved as much as he has.
100%, it's good for the ABs that's for sure. Let's just hope Proctor gets in.
His ribs looked bad on Saturday. Will be be fully fit?
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@Landers92 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Landers92 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Rumour is George Bell to be named in the AB squad on Monday.
Has it been confirmed that Taukei'aho is ruled out of the series? Leads you to believe his is. Taylor and Aumua to hold down the fort and hopefully stay healthy.
Apparantly he is out for the series
I guess it makes sense but jeez it’s harsh on RR. Bring in the young guy who has plenty of years ahead of him and it’s potentially the future I guess is the thought process.
It seems to be the idea.
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Landers92 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Landers92 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Rumour is George Bell to be named in the AB squad on Monday.
Has it been confirmed that Taukei'aho is ruled out of the series? Leads you to believe his is. Taylor and Aumua to hold down the fort and hopefully stay healthy.
Apparantly he is out for the series
I guess it makes sense but jeez it’s harsh on RR. Bring in the young guy who has plenty of years ahead of him and it’s potentially the future I guess is the thought process.
It seems to be the idea.
Didn’t The Breakdown imply that several young bucks would be invited to train with ABs? Bell would fit that bill, and could get help from Flynn.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@george33 AJ in front of Proctor, that's hysterical. Remember Holland is selecting the centres so you may aswell lock in Proctor now.
Why? I'd Holland that close minded?
Holland's selecting the centres right? He's coached Proctor so he knows how much of an asset he is to any team. He was quoted saying he would have picked Proctor last year for the ABs if he was in that coaching setup. Proctor has gone up a notch in performance this year so when I put two and two together, it's hard to see Proctor missing out. This is about the third time Proctor has been on the cusp of AB selection, he's been knocking on the door for a long time and I think he deserves his chance.
I wouldn't be picking Proctor to cover 12 either, we don't need him to. Conrad Smith didn't and look how successful he was in the black jersey. We have enough versatility in the backs.
You're pretty much saying that Holland will pick Proctor because he's coached him before, rather than looking wider at all the available talent.
I really hope he has a broader mind than that.
Imagine if Razor picked Cullen Grace because he knew him from the Crusaders.
@booboo said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@george33 AJ in front of Proctor, that's hysterical. Remember Holland is selecting the centres so you may aswell lock in Proctor now.
Why? I'd Holland that close minded?
Holland's selecting the centres right? He's coached Proctor so he knows how much of an asset he is to any team. He was quoted saying he would have picked Proctor last year for the ABs if he was in that coaching setup. Proctor has gone up a notch in performance this year so when I put two and two together, it's hard to see Proctor missing out. This is about the third time Proctor has been on the cusp of AB selection, he's been knocking on the door for a long time and I think he deserves his chance.
I wouldn't be picking Proctor to cover 12 either, we don't need him to. Conrad Smith didn't and look how successful he was in the black jersey. We have enough versatility in the backs.
You're pretty much saying that Holland will pick Proctor because he's coached him before, rather than looking wider at all the available talent.
I really hope he has a broader mind than that.
Imagine if Razor picked Cullen Grace because he knew him from the Crusaders.
He probably will
But yeah, any criticism of any Hurricanes player will get paragraphs of retort from the old boy @Canes4life !
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
If George Bell is picked then Corey Flynn as throwing coach has an immediate project
He’ll definitely give him some good try scoring celebration advice though
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@george33 AJ in front of Proctor, that's hysterical. Remember Holland is selecting the centres so you may aswell lock in Proctor now.
Why? I'd Holland that close minded?
Holland's selecting the centres right? He's coached Proctor so he knows how much of an asset he is to any team. He was quoted saying he would have picked Proctor last year for the ABs if he was in that coaching setup. Proctor has gone up a notch in performance this year so when I put two and two together, it's hard to see Proctor missing out. This is about the third time Proctor has been on the cusp of AB selection, he's been knocking on the door for a long time and I think he deserves his chance.
I wouldn't be picking Proctor to cover 12 either, we don't need him to. Conrad Smith didn't and look how successful he was in the black jersey. We have enough versatility in the backs.
You're pretty much saying that Holland will pick Proctor because he's coached him before, rather than looking wider at all the available talent.
I really hope he has a broader mind than that.
Imagine if Razor picked Cullen Grace because he knew him from the Crusaders.
@booboo said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@george33 AJ in front of Proctor, that's hysterical. Remember Holland is selecting the centres so you may aswell lock in Proctor now.
Why? I'd Holland that close minded?
Holland's selecting the centres right? He's coached Proctor so he knows how much of an asset he is to any team. He was quoted saying he would have picked Proctor last year for the ABs if he was in that coaching setup. Proctor has gone up a notch in performance this year so when I put two and two together, it's hard to see Proctor missing out. This is about the third time Proctor has been on the cusp of AB selection, he's been knocking on the door for a long time and I think he deserves his chance.
I wouldn't be picking Proctor to cover 12 either, we don't need him to. Conrad Smith didn't and look how successful he was in the black jersey. We have enough versatility in the backs.
You're pretty much saying that Holland will pick Proctor because he's coached him before, rather than looking wider at all the available talent.
I really hope he has a broader mind than that.
Imagine if Razor picked Cullen Grace because he knew him from the Crusaders.
No my point is he's been the best centre in NZ all year so why wouldn't Holland pick him if he's loved what he's seen previously.
Cullen Grace hasn't been one of the standout loose forwards in NZ this year despite Razor stating he was AB material a couple years ago.
There's a difference here, one player is performing and the other isn't. If they are going to pick the 'best players' as Razor has mentioned, Proctor should get in and Grace should not.
We shall see.
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@Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Landers92 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Landers92 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Rumour is George Bell to be named in the AB squad on Monday.
Has it been confirmed that Taukei'aho is ruled out of the series? Leads you to believe his is. Taylor and Aumua to hold down the fort and hopefully stay healthy.
Apparantly he is out for the series
I guess it makes sense but jeez it’s harsh on RR. Bring in the young guy who has plenty of years ahead of him and it’s potentially the future I guess is the thought process.
It seems to be the idea.
Didn’t The Breakdown imply that several young bucks would be invited to train with ABs? Bell would fit that bill, and could get help from Flynn.
@pakman said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Landers92 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Landers92 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Rumour is George Bell to be named in the AB squad on Monday.
Has it been confirmed that Taukei'aho is ruled out of the series? Leads you to believe his is. Taylor and Aumua to hold down the fort and hopefully stay healthy.
Apparantly he is out for the series
I guess it makes sense but jeez it’s harsh on RR. Bring in the young guy who has plenty of years ahead of him and it’s potentially the future I guess is the thought process.
It seems to be the idea.
Didn’t The Breakdown imply that several young bucks would be invited to train with ABs? Bell would fit that bill, and could get help from Flynn.
I think that was the original idea until the injury to ST that got Bell promoted.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@george33 AJ in front of Proctor, that's hysterical. Remember Holland is selecting the centres so you may aswell lock in Proctor now.
Why? I'd Holland that close minded?
Holland's selecting the centres right? He's coached Proctor so he knows how much of an asset he is to any team. He was quoted saying he would have picked Proctor last year for the ABs if he was in that coaching setup. Proctor has gone up a notch in performance this year so when I put two and two together, it's hard to see Proctor missing out. This is about the third time Proctor has been on the cusp of AB selection, he's been knocking on the door for a long time and I think he deserves his chance.
I wouldn't be picking Proctor to cover 12 either, we don't need him to. Conrad Smith didn't and look how successful he was in the black jersey. We have enough versatility in the backs.
You're pretty much saying that Holland will pick Proctor because he's coached him before, rather than looking wider at all the available talent.
I really hope he has a broader mind than that.
Imagine if Razor picked Cullen Grace because he knew him from the Crusaders.
@booboo said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@george33 AJ in front of Proctor, that's hysterical. Remember Holland is selecting the centres so you may aswell lock in Proctor now.
Why? I'd Holland that close minded?
Holland's selecting the centres right? He's coached Proctor so he knows how much of an asset he is to any team. He was quoted saying he would have picked Proctor last year for the ABs if he was in that coaching setup. Proctor has gone up a notch in performance this year so when I put two and two together, it's hard to see Proctor missing out. This is about the third time Proctor has been on the cusp of AB selection, he's been knocking on the door for a long time and I think he deserves his chance.
I wouldn't be picking Proctor to cover 12 either, we don't need him to. Conrad Smith didn't and look how successful he was in the black jersey. We have enough versatility in the backs.
You're pretty much saying that Holland will pick Proctor because he's coached him before, rather than looking wider at all the available talent.
I really hope he has a broader mind than that.
Imagine if Razor picked Cullen Grace because he knew him from the Crusaders.
Grace won’t be picked.
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@booboo said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@george33 AJ in front of Proctor, that's hysterical. Remember Holland is selecting the centres so you may aswell lock in Proctor now.
Why? I'd Holland that close minded?
Holland's selecting the centres right? He's coached Proctor so he knows how much of an asset he is to any team. He was quoted saying he would have picked Proctor last year for the ABs if he was in that coaching setup. Proctor has gone up a notch in performance this year so when I put two and two together, it's hard to see Proctor missing out. This is about the third time Proctor has been on the cusp of AB selection, he's been knocking on the door for a long time and I think he deserves his chance.
I wouldn't be picking Proctor to cover 12 either, we don't need him to. Conrad Smith didn't and look how successful he was in the black jersey. We have enough versatility in the backs.
You're pretty much saying that Holland will pick Proctor because he's coached him before, rather than looking wider at all the available talent.
I really hope he has a broader mind than that.
Imagine if Razor picked Cullen Grace because he knew him from the Crusaders.
Grace won’t be picked.
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@george33 AJ in front of Proctor, that's hysterical. Remember Holland is selecting the centres so you may aswell lock in Proctor now.
Why? I'd Holland that close minded?
Holland's selecting the centres right? He's coached Proctor so he knows how much of an asset he is to any team. He was quoted saying he would have picked Proctor last year for the ABs if he was in that coaching setup. Proctor has gone up a notch in performance this year so when I put two and two together, it's hard to see Proctor missing out. This is about the third time Proctor has been on the cusp of AB selection, he's been knocking on the door for a long time and I think he deserves his chance.
I wouldn't be picking Proctor to cover 12 either, we don't need him to. Conrad Smith didn't and look how successful he was in the black jersey. We have enough versatility in the backs.
You're pretty much saying that Holland will pick Proctor because he's coached him before, rather than looking wider at all the available talent.
I really hope he has a broader mind than that.
Imagine if Razor picked Cullen Grace because he knew him from the Crusaders.
Grace won’t be picked.
Bell
Grace
……Keep them coming
