All Blacks 2024
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@Landers92 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
1 thing I think we can all agree on here is that the emergence of Proctor is the best thing that could happen for the centre position in the All Blacks squad.
If Proctor gets a chance and plays out of his skin, awesome. If Rieko Ioane continues to get picked, he has a young and in form centre right behind him waiting for his chance. The competitive edge will bring out the best in both players and keep them honest. I’m not saying Ioane has become complacent, but he hasn’t exactly had a centre breathing down his neck since he’s been the All Blacks 13(ALB the nearest).
It’s a win win and we should all be glad Proctor has improved as much as he has.
100%, it's good for the ABs that's for sure. Let's just hope Proctor gets in.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Landers92 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
1 thing I think we can all agree on here is that the emergence of Proctor is the best thing that could happen for the centre position in the All Blacks squad.
If Proctor gets a chance and plays out of his skin, awesome. If Rieko Ioane continues to get picked, he has a young and in form centre right behind him waiting for his chance. The competitive edge will bring out the best in both players and keep them honest. I’m not saying Ioane has become complacent, but he hasn’t exactly had a centre breathing down his neck since he’s been the All Blacks 13(ALB the nearest).
It’s a win win and we should all be glad Proctor has improved as much as he has.
100%, it's good for the ABs that's for sure. Let's just hope Proctor gets in.
His ribs looked bad on Saturday. Will be be fully fit?
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@Landers92 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Landers92 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Rumour is George Bell to be named in the AB squad on Monday.
Has it been confirmed that Taukei'aho is ruled out of the series? Leads you to believe his is. Taylor and Aumua to hold down the fort and hopefully stay healthy.
Apparantly he is out for the series
I guess it makes sense but jeez it’s harsh on RR. Bring in the young guy who has plenty of years ahead of him and it’s potentially the future I guess is the thought process.
It seems to be the idea.
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Landers92 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Landers92 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Rumour is George Bell to be named in the AB squad on Monday.
Has it been confirmed that Taukei'aho is ruled out of the series? Leads you to believe his is. Taylor and Aumua to hold down the fort and hopefully stay healthy.
Apparantly he is out for the series
I guess it makes sense but jeez it’s harsh on RR. Bring in the young guy who has plenty of years ahead of him and it’s potentially the future I guess is the thought process.
It seems to be the idea.
Didn’t The Breakdown imply that several young bucks would be invited to train with ABs? Bell would fit that bill, and could get help from Flynn.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@george33 AJ in front of Proctor, that's hysterical. Remember Holland is selecting the centres so you may aswell lock in Proctor now.
Why? I'd Holland that close minded?
Holland's selecting the centres right? He's coached Proctor so he knows how much of an asset he is to any team. He was quoted saying he would have picked Proctor last year for the ABs if he was in that coaching setup. Proctor has gone up a notch in performance this year so when I put two and two together, it's hard to see Proctor missing out. This is about the third time Proctor has been on the cusp of AB selection, he's been knocking on the door for a long time and I think he deserves his chance.
I wouldn't be picking Proctor to cover 12 either, we don't need him to. Conrad Smith didn't and look how successful he was in the black jersey. We have enough versatility in the backs.
You're pretty much saying that Holland will pick Proctor because he's coached him before, rather than looking wider at all the available talent.
I really hope he has a broader mind than that.
Imagine if Razor picked Cullen Grace because he knew him from the Crusaders.
@booboo said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@george33 AJ in front of Proctor, that's hysterical. Remember Holland is selecting the centres so you may aswell lock in Proctor now.
Why? I'd Holland that close minded?
Holland's selecting the centres right? He's coached Proctor so he knows how much of an asset he is to any team. He was quoted saying he would have picked Proctor last year for the ABs if he was in that coaching setup. Proctor has gone up a notch in performance this year so when I put two and two together, it's hard to see Proctor missing out. This is about the third time Proctor has been on the cusp of AB selection, he's been knocking on the door for a long time and I think he deserves his chance.
I wouldn't be picking Proctor to cover 12 either, we don't need him to. Conrad Smith didn't and look how successful he was in the black jersey. We have enough versatility in the backs.
You're pretty much saying that Holland will pick Proctor because he's coached him before, rather than looking wider at all the available talent.
I really hope he has a broader mind than that.
Imagine if Razor picked Cullen Grace because he knew him from the Crusaders.
He probably will
But yeah, any criticism of any Hurricanes player will get paragraphs of retort from the old boy @Canes4life !
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
If George Bell is picked then Corey Flynn as throwing coach has an immediate project
He’ll definitely give him some good try scoring celebration advice though
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@george33 AJ in front of Proctor, that's hysterical. Remember Holland is selecting the centres so you may aswell lock in Proctor now.
Why? I'd Holland that close minded?
Holland's selecting the centres right? He's coached Proctor so he knows how much of an asset he is to any team. He was quoted saying he would have picked Proctor last year for the ABs if he was in that coaching setup. Proctor has gone up a notch in performance this year so when I put two and two together, it's hard to see Proctor missing out. This is about the third time Proctor has been on the cusp of AB selection, he's been knocking on the door for a long time and I think he deserves his chance.
I wouldn't be picking Proctor to cover 12 either, we don't need him to. Conrad Smith didn't and look how successful he was in the black jersey. We have enough versatility in the backs.
You're pretty much saying that Holland will pick Proctor because he's coached him before, rather than looking wider at all the available talent.
I really hope he has a broader mind than that.
Imagine if Razor picked Cullen Grace because he knew him from the Crusaders.
@booboo said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@george33 AJ in front of Proctor, that's hysterical. Remember Holland is selecting the centres so you may aswell lock in Proctor now.
Why? I'd Holland that close minded?
Holland's selecting the centres right? He's coached Proctor so he knows how much of an asset he is to any team. He was quoted saying he would have picked Proctor last year for the ABs if he was in that coaching setup. Proctor has gone up a notch in performance this year so when I put two and two together, it's hard to see Proctor missing out. This is about the third time Proctor has been on the cusp of AB selection, he's been knocking on the door for a long time and I think he deserves his chance.
I wouldn't be picking Proctor to cover 12 either, we don't need him to. Conrad Smith didn't and look how successful he was in the black jersey. We have enough versatility in the backs.
You're pretty much saying that Holland will pick Proctor because he's coached him before, rather than looking wider at all the available talent.
I really hope he has a broader mind than that.
Imagine if Razor picked Cullen Grace because he knew him from the Crusaders.
No my point is he's been the best centre in NZ all year so why wouldn't Holland pick him if he's loved what he's seen previously.
Cullen Grace hasn't been one of the standout loose forwards in NZ this year despite Razor stating he was AB material a couple years ago.
There's a difference here, one player is performing and the other isn't. If they are going to pick the 'best players' as Razor has mentioned, Proctor should get in and Grace should not.
We shall see.
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@Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Landers92 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Landers92 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Rumour is George Bell to be named in the AB squad on Monday.
Has it been confirmed that Taukei'aho is ruled out of the series? Leads you to believe his is. Taylor and Aumua to hold down the fort and hopefully stay healthy.
Apparantly he is out for the series
I guess it makes sense but jeez it’s harsh on RR. Bring in the young guy who has plenty of years ahead of him and it’s potentially the future I guess is the thought process.
It seems to be the idea.
Didn’t The Breakdown imply that several young bucks would be invited to train with ABs? Bell would fit that bill, and could get help from Flynn.
@pakman said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Landers92 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Landers92 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Rumour is George Bell to be named in the AB squad on Monday.
Has it been confirmed that Taukei'aho is ruled out of the series? Leads you to believe his is. Taylor and Aumua to hold down the fort and hopefully stay healthy.
Apparantly he is out for the series
I guess it makes sense but jeez it’s harsh on RR. Bring in the young guy who has plenty of years ahead of him and it’s potentially the future I guess is the thought process.
It seems to be the idea.
Didn’t The Breakdown imply that several young bucks would be invited to train with ABs? Bell would fit that bill, and could get help from Flynn.
I think that was the original idea until the injury to ST that got Bell promoted.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@george33 AJ in front of Proctor, that's hysterical. Remember Holland is selecting the centres so you may aswell lock in Proctor now.
Why? I'd Holland that close minded?
Holland's selecting the centres right? He's coached Proctor so he knows how much of an asset he is to any team. He was quoted saying he would have picked Proctor last year for the ABs if he was in that coaching setup. Proctor has gone up a notch in performance this year so when I put two and two together, it's hard to see Proctor missing out. This is about the third time Proctor has been on the cusp of AB selection, he's been knocking on the door for a long time and I think he deserves his chance.
I wouldn't be picking Proctor to cover 12 either, we don't need him to. Conrad Smith didn't and look how successful he was in the black jersey. We have enough versatility in the backs.
You're pretty much saying that Holland will pick Proctor because he's coached him before, rather than looking wider at all the available talent.
I really hope he has a broader mind than that.
Imagine if Razor picked Cullen Grace because he knew him from the Crusaders.
@booboo said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@george33 AJ in front of Proctor, that's hysterical. Remember Holland is selecting the centres so you may aswell lock in Proctor now.
Why? I'd Holland that close minded?
Holland's selecting the centres right? He's coached Proctor so he knows how much of an asset he is to any team. He was quoted saying he would have picked Proctor last year for the ABs if he was in that coaching setup. Proctor has gone up a notch in performance this year so when I put two and two together, it's hard to see Proctor missing out. This is about the third time Proctor has been on the cusp of AB selection, he's been knocking on the door for a long time and I think he deserves his chance.
I wouldn't be picking Proctor to cover 12 either, we don't need him to. Conrad Smith didn't and look how successful he was in the black jersey. We have enough versatility in the backs.
You're pretty much saying that Holland will pick Proctor because he's coached him before, rather than looking wider at all the available talent.
I really hope he has a broader mind than that.
Imagine if Razor picked Cullen Grace because he knew him from the Crusaders.
Grace won’t be picked.
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@booboo said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@george33 AJ in front of Proctor, that's hysterical. Remember Holland is selecting the centres so you may aswell lock in Proctor now.
Why? I'd Holland that close minded?
Holland's selecting the centres right? He's coached Proctor so he knows how much of an asset he is to any team. He was quoted saying he would have picked Proctor last year for the ABs if he was in that coaching setup. Proctor has gone up a notch in performance this year so when I put two and two together, it's hard to see Proctor missing out. This is about the third time Proctor has been on the cusp of AB selection, he's been knocking on the door for a long time and I think he deserves his chance.
I wouldn't be picking Proctor to cover 12 either, we don't need him to. Conrad Smith didn't and look how successful he was in the black jersey. We have enough versatility in the backs.
You're pretty much saying that Holland will pick Proctor because he's coached him before, rather than looking wider at all the available talent.
I really hope he has a broader mind than that.
Imagine if Razor picked Cullen Grace because he knew him from the Crusaders.
Grace won’t be picked.
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@george33 AJ in front of Proctor, that's hysterical. Remember Holland is selecting the centres so you may aswell lock in Proctor now.
Why? I'd Holland that close minded?
Holland's selecting the centres right? He's coached Proctor so he knows how much of an asset he is to any team. He was quoted saying he would have picked Proctor last year for the ABs if he was in that coaching setup. Proctor has gone up a notch in performance this year so when I put two and two together, it's hard to see Proctor missing out. This is about the third time Proctor has been on the cusp of AB selection, he's been knocking on the door for a long time and I think he deserves his chance.
I wouldn't be picking Proctor to cover 12 either, we don't need him to. Conrad Smith didn't and look how successful he was in the black jersey. We have enough versatility in the backs.
You're pretty much saying that Holland will pick Proctor because he's coached him before, rather than looking wider at all the available talent.
I really hope he has a broader mind than that.
Imagine if Razor picked Cullen Grace because he knew him from the Crusaders.
Grace won’t be picked.
Bell
Grace
……Keep them coming
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Look, I thought Bell was horrific in SR this year, but is Riccitelli really a long term option? Like yeah, he's been good this year, but I'm happy at the same time for them to invest in a younger option for the future, be that Bell or someone else.
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@Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Rumour is George Bell to be named in the AB squad on Monday.
I get that. Would prefer Rikkirik. He's looked t h e goods this year after going off for a couple, but can see the attraction of Bell longer term
No room for a project player. Reduces the squad size to 31!
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Look, I thought Bell was horrific in SR this year, but is Riccitelli really a long term option? Like yeah, he's been good this year, but I'm happy at the same time for them to invest in a younger option for the future, be that Bell or someone else.
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Look, I thought Bell was horrific in SR this year, but is Riccitelli really a long term option? Like yeah, he's been good this year, but I'm happy at the same time for them to invest in a younger option for the future, be that Bell or someone else.
@African-Monkey It's not the Crusaders development academy.
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@Tim @DaGrubster Yeah both valid points, but at the same time, I'm not too upset if they try and bring someone through (not necessarily George Bell), maybe you're right, save it for later in the season like an EOYT before going down that road and maybe use someone like Riccitelli in the short term but yeah, I see both sodes of the argument.
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Look, I thought Bell was horrific in SR this year, but is Riccitelli really a long term option? Like yeah, he's been good this year, but I'm happy at the same time for them to invest in a younger option for the future, be that Bell or someone else.
He is 29 and in career best form and is probably going to be a super rugby winner.
Sounds a better pick than a player in horrific form.
Why not rewards form from a player who has stayed in NZ? At his age most have buggered off. So as well as being the right pick on form it also sends a message to players that you don’t need to go overseas if you haven’t cracked the AbS by 28.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Lol how is Billy Proctor all of a sudden unfavoured. He was clearly the form centre throughout the majority of Super rugby and has been kicking the door down for a couple years now with his consistency. I'll be very surprised if he wasn't selected, especially because Holland is selecting the centres and he pushed for his case when he was coaching the Canes aswell.
My opinion only.
Could be wrong and not watched him close enough. But he's least favoured of the most mentioned to me, and I can see the attraction of Havili, and Proctor is the guy I'd leave out.
Sorry, to alll the Canes Mafia.
@booboo said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I can see the attraction of Havili, and Proctor is the guy I'd leave out.
Put the wine bottle down.
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@booboo said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I can see the attraction of Havili, and Proctor is the guy I'd leave out.
Put the wine bottle down.
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I can see the attraction of Havili, and Proctor is the guy I'd leave out.
Put the wine bottle down.
Wine bottle ? I’m thinking crack pipe
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@booboo said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I can see the attraction of Havili, and Proctor is the guy I'd leave out.
Put the wine bottle down.
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I can see the attraction of Havili, and Proctor is the guy I'd leave out.
Put the wine bottle down.
Proctor over Havili any day. But I can see DH getting the nod.
