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  • taniwharugbyT taniwharugby

    @canefan said in Name Your AB Team:

    less understanding from the rugby public if he's seen to have picked his favourites and ignored form picks

    again, this has always happened, although favorites probably not right, more that the coaches see things a bit different when trying to build thier team.

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    canefan
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    @taniwharugby said in Name Your AB Team:

    @canefan said in Name Your AB Team:

    less understanding from the rugby public if he's seen to have picked his favourites and ignored form picks

    again, this has always happened, although favorites probably not right, more that the coaches see things a bit different when trying to build thier team.

    Winning will be the best salve

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    • taniwharugbyT taniwharugby

      @canefan said in Name Your AB Team:

      less understanding from the rugby public if he's seen to have picked his favourites and ignored form picks

      again, this has always happened, although favorites probably not right, more that the coaches see things a bit different when trying to build thier team.

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      Chris
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      #265

      @taniwharugby said in Name Your AB Team:

      @canefan said in Name Your AB Team:

      less understanding from the rugby public if he's seen to have picked his favourites and ignored form picks

      again, this has always happened, although favorites probably not right, more that the coaches see things a bit different when trying to build thier team.

      Yep and the coaches know the players a lot better than the public and will think they can get the best out of whoever they select.

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      • F Frank

        @Kirwan said in Name Your AB Team:

        @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

        Sotutu's drawback is that he isn't as good as Ardie and only covers 8.

        He’s better than Sititi and that’s who’s rumoured to be in.

        I disagree.
        Sititi is more powerful and direct than Sotutu.
        It appears two different sets of coaching groups don't like him.

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        KiwiMurph
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        #266

        @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

        @Kirwan said in Name Your AB Team:

        @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

        Sotutu's drawback is that he isn't as good as Ardie and only covers 8.

        He’s better than Sititi and that’s who’s rumoured to be in.

        I disagree.
        Sititi is more powerful and direct than Sotutu.
        It appears two different sets of coaching groups don't like him.

        It's the same coach that doesn't like him. Jason Ryan.

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        • sparkyS sparky

          @Chris It will formally be named in December at the ASB Rugby awards, but Hoskins is probably the favourite for it.

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          Bones
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          #267

          @sparky said in Name Your AB Team:

          Hoskins is probably the favourite for it

          According to who or whom?

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          • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

            @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

            @Kirwan said in Name Your AB Team:

            @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

            Sotutu's drawback is that he isn't as good as Ardie and only covers 8.

            He’s better than Sititi and that’s who’s rumoured to be in.

            I disagree.
            Sititi is more powerful and direct than Sotutu.
            It appears two different sets of coaching groups don't like him.

            It's the same coach that doesn't like him. Jason Ryan.

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            Frank
            wrote on last edited by
            #268

            @KiwiMurph said in Name Your AB Team:

            @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

            @Kirwan said in Name Your AB Team:

            @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

            Sotutu's drawback is that he isn't as good as Ardie and only covers 8.

            He’s better than Sititi and that’s who’s rumoured to be in.

            I disagree.
            Sititi is more powerful and direct than Sotutu.
            It appears two different sets of coaching groups don't like him.

            It's the same coach that doesn't like him. Jason Ryan.

            Wrong.
            Razor selects the loose forwards.
            Ryan the tight 5.

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            • F Frank

              @KiwiMurph said in Name Your AB Team:

              @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

              @Kirwan said in Name Your AB Team:

              @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

              Sotutu's drawback is that he isn't as good as Ardie and only covers 8.

              He’s better than Sititi and that’s who’s rumoured to be in.

              I disagree.
              Sititi is more powerful and direct than Sotutu.
              It appears two different sets of coaching groups don't like him.

              It's the same coach that doesn't like him. Jason Ryan.

              Wrong.
              Razor selects the loose forwards.
              Ryan the tight 5.

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              KiwiMurph
              wrote on last edited by
              #269

              @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

              @KiwiMurph said in Name Your AB Team:

              @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

              @Kirwan said in Name Your AB Team:

              @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

              Sotutu's drawback is that he isn't as good as Ardie and only covers 8.

              He’s better than Sititi and that’s who’s rumoured to be in.

              I disagree.
              Sititi is more powerful and direct than Sotutu.
              It appears two different sets of coaching groups don't like him.

              It's the same coach that doesn't like him. Jason Ryan.

              Wrong.
              Razor selects the loose forwards.
              Ryan the tight 5.

              OK fine but I wouldn't call Ryan and Razor two sets of coaching groups. Two peas in a pod

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                KiwiMurph
                wrote on last edited by
                #270

                If the rumoured squad is true it's basically what you would do if you named a squad without having to make a tough decision.

                He refuses to select a 4th lock

                He refuses to drop a winger of the 4

                He refuses to name a captain

                He refuses to drop a high profile Crusader

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                • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

                  @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

                  @KiwiMurph said in Name Your AB Team:

                  @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

                  @Kirwan said in Name Your AB Team:

                  @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

                  Sotutu's drawback is that he isn't as good as Ardie and only covers 8.

                  He’s better than Sititi and that’s who’s rumoured to be in.

                  I disagree.
                  Sititi is more powerful and direct than Sotutu.
                  It appears two different sets of coaching groups don't like him.

                  It's the same coach that doesn't like him. Jason Ryan.

                  Wrong.
                  Razor selects the loose forwards.
                  Ryan the tight 5.

                  OK fine but I wouldn't call Ryan and Razor two sets of coaching groups. Two peas in a pod

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                  Frank
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #271

                  @KiwiMurph said in Name Your AB Team:

                  @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

                  @KiwiMurph said in Name Your AB Team:

                  @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

                  @Kirwan said in Name Your AB Team:

                  @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

                  Sotutu's drawback is that he isn't as good as Ardie and only covers 8.

                  He’s better than Sititi and that’s who’s rumoured to be in.

                  I disagree.
                  Sititi is more powerful and direct than Sotutu.
                  It appears two different sets of coaching groups don't like him.

                  It's the same coach that doesn't like him. Jason Ryan.

                  Wrong.
                  Razor selects the loose forwards.
                  Ryan the tight 5.

                  OK fine but I wouldn't call Ryan and Razor two sets of coaching groups. Two peas in a pod

                  Haha "Okay fine"
                  Don't let your outrage get in the way of the facts.

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                  • F Frank

                    @KiwiMurph said in Name Your AB Team:

                    @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

                    @KiwiMurph said in Name Your AB Team:

                    @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

                    @Kirwan said in Name Your AB Team:

                    @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

                    Sotutu's drawback is that he isn't as good as Ardie and only covers 8.

                    He’s better than Sititi and that’s who’s rumoured to be in.

                    I disagree.
                    Sititi is more powerful and direct than Sotutu.
                    It appears two different sets of coaching groups don't like him.

                    It's the same coach that doesn't like him. Jason Ryan.

                    Wrong.
                    Razor selects the loose forwards.
                    Ryan the tight 5.

                    OK fine but I wouldn't call Ryan and Razor two sets of coaching groups. Two peas in a pod

                    Haha "Okay fine"
                    Don't let your outrage get in the way of the facts.

                    KiwiMurphK Offline
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                    KiwiMurph
                    wrote on last edited by KiwiMurph
                    #272

                    @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

                    @KiwiMurph said in Name Your AB Team:

                    @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

                    @KiwiMurph said in Name Your AB Team:

                    @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

                    @Kirwan said in Name Your AB Team:

                    @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

                    Sotutu's drawback is that he isn't as good as Ardie and only covers 8.

                    He’s better than Sititi and that’s who’s rumoured to be in.

                    I disagree.
                    Sititi is more powerful and direct than Sotutu.
                    It appears two different sets of coaching groups don't like him.

                    It's the same coach that doesn't like him. Jason Ryan.

                    Wrong.
                    Razor selects the loose forwards.
                    Ryan the tight 5.

                    OK fine but I wouldn't call Ryan and Razor two sets of coaching groups. Two peas in a pod

                    Haha "Okay fine"
                    Don't let your outrage get in the way of the facts.

                    Two sets of coaching groups is disingenuous when you are talking about Ryan and Razor - they are nearly joined at the hip

                    I'm not outraged by the way - I feel sorry for Sotutu but I can understand the logic of him not being selected.

                    Some of the other rumoured selections (Havili and Bell).... not so much

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                    • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

                      @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

                      @KiwiMurph said in Name Your AB Team:

                      @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

                      @KiwiMurph said in Name Your AB Team:

                      @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

                      @Kirwan said in Name Your AB Team:

                      @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

                      Sotutu's drawback is that he isn't as good as Ardie and only covers 8.

                      He’s better than Sititi and that’s who’s rumoured to be in.

                      I disagree.
                      Sititi is more powerful and direct than Sotutu.
                      It appears two different sets of coaching groups don't like him.

                      It's the same coach that doesn't like him. Jason Ryan.

                      Wrong.
                      Razor selects the loose forwards.
                      Ryan the tight 5.

                      OK fine but I wouldn't call Ryan and Razor two sets of coaching groups. Two peas in a pod

                      Haha "Okay fine"
                      Don't let your outrage get in the way of the facts.

                      Two sets of coaching groups is disingenuous when you are talking about Ryan and Razor - they are nearly joined at the hip

                      I'm not outraged by the way - I feel sorry for Sotutu but I can understand the logic of him not being selected.

                      Some of the other rumoured selections (Havili and Bell).... not so much

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                      Frank
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                      #273

                      @KiwiMurph said in Name Your AB Team:

                      @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

                      @KiwiMurph said in Name Your AB Team:

                      @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

                      @KiwiMurph said in Name Your AB Team:

                      @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

                      @Kirwan said in Name Your AB Team:

                      @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

                      Sotutu's drawback is that he isn't as good as Ardie and only covers 8.

                      He’s better than Sititi and that’s who’s rumoured to be in.

                      I disagree.
                      Sititi is more powerful and direct than Sotutu.
                      It appears two different sets of coaching groups don't like him.

                      It's the same coach that doesn't like him. Jason Ryan.

                      Wrong.
                      Razor selects the loose forwards.
                      Ryan the tight 5.

                      OK fine but I wouldn't call Ryan and Razor two sets of coaching groups. Two peas in a pod

                      Haha "Okay fine"
                      Don't let your outrage get in the way of the facts.

                      Two sets of coaching groups is disingenuous when you are talking about Ryan and Razor - they are nearly joined at the hip

                      You have no idea whether this is true or not.

                      Fact is - Foster, Schmidt and Ryan didn't want him.
                      And now it appears - Robertson, Ryan, Hansen and Macdonald don't want him either.

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                      • F Frank

                        @KiwiMurph said in Name Your AB Team:

                        @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

                        @KiwiMurph said in Name Your AB Team:

                        @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

                        @KiwiMurph said in Name Your AB Team:

                        @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

                        @Kirwan said in Name Your AB Team:

                        @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

                        Sotutu's drawback is that he isn't as good as Ardie and only covers 8.

                        He’s better than Sititi and that’s who’s rumoured to be in.

                        I disagree.
                        Sititi is more powerful and direct than Sotutu.
                        It appears two different sets of coaching groups don't like him.

                        It's the same coach that doesn't like him. Jason Ryan.

                        Wrong.
                        Razor selects the loose forwards.
                        Ryan the tight 5.

                        OK fine but I wouldn't call Ryan and Razor two sets of coaching groups. Two peas in a pod

                        Haha "Okay fine"
                        Don't let your outrage get in the way of the facts.

                        Two sets of coaching groups is disingenuous when you are talking about Ryan and Razor - they are nearly joined at the hip

                        You have no idea whether this is true or not.

                        Fact is - Foster, Schmidt and Ryan didn't want him.
                        And now it appears - Robertson, Ryan, Hansen and Macdonald don't want him either.

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                        KiwiMurph
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #274

                        @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

                        @KiwiMurph said in Name Your AB Team:

                        @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

                        @KiwiMurph said in Name Your AB Team:

                        @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

                        @KiwiMurph said in Name Your AB Team:

                        @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

                        @Kirwan said in Name Your AB Team:

                        @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

                        Sotutu's drawback is that he isn't as good as Ardie and only covers 8.

                        He’s better than Sititi and that’s who’s rumoured to be in.

                        I disagree.
                        Sititi is more powerful and direct than Sotutu.
                        It appears two different sets of coaching groups don't like him.

                        It's the same coach that doesn't like him. Jason Ryan.

                        Wrong.
                        Razor selects the loose forwards.
                        Ryan the tight 5.

                        OK fine but I wouldn't call Ryan and Razor two sets of coaching groups. Two peas in a pod

                        Haha "Okay fine"
                        Don't let your outrage get in the way of the facts.

                        Two sets of coaching groups is disingenuous when you are talking about Ryan and Razor - they are nearly joined at the hip

                        You have no idea whether this is true or not.
                        And you are ignoring the other selectors in both groups.

                        Well Foster & co picked Sotutu in multiple squads before Ryan showed up so.....

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                        • F Frank

                          @KiwiMurph said in Name Your AB Team:

                          @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

                          @KiwiMurph said in Name Your AB Team:

                          @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

                          @KiwiMurph said in Name Your AB Team:

                          @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

                          @Kirwan said in Name Your AB Team:

                          @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

                          Sotutu's drawback is that he isn't as good as Ardie and only covers 8.

                          He’s better than Sititi and that’s who’s rumoured to be in.

                          I disagree.
                          Sititi is more powerful and direct than Sotutu.
                          It appears two different sets of coaching groups don't like him.

                          It's the same coach that doesn't like him. Jason Ryan.

                          Wrong.
                          Razor selects the loose forwards.
                          Ryan the tight 5.

                          OK fine but I wouldn't call Ryan and Razor two sets of coaching groups. Two peas in a pod

                          Haha "Okay fine"
                          Don't let your outrage get in the way of the facts.

                          Two sets of coaching groups is disingenuous when you are talking about Ryan and Razor - they are nearly joined at the hip

                          You have no idea whether this is true or not.

                          Fact is - Foster, Schmidt and Ryan didn't want him.
                          And now it appears - Robertson, Ryan, Hansen and Macdonald don't want him either.

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                          Victor Meldrew
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                          #275

                          @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

                          @KiwiMurph said in Name Your AB Team:

                          @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

                          @KiwiMurph said in Name Your AB Team:

                          @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

                          @KiwiMurph said in Name Your AB Team:

                          @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

                          @Kirwan said in Name Your AB Team:

                          @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

                          Sotutu's drawback is that he isn't as good as Ardie and only covers 8.

                          He’s better than Sititi and that’s who’s rumoured to be in.

                          I disagree.
                          Sititi is more powerful and direct than Sotutu.
                          It appears two different sets of coaching groups don't like him.

                          It's the same coach that doesn't like him. Jason Ryan.

                          Wrong.
                          Razor selects the loose forwards.
                          Ryan the tight 5.

                          OK fine but I wouldn't call Ryan and Razor two sets of coaching groups. Two peas in a pod

                          Haha "Okay fine"
                          Don't let your outrage get in the way of the facts.

                          Two sets of coaching groups is disingenuous when you are talking about Ryan and Razor - they are nearly joined at the hip

                          You have no idea whether this is true or not.
                          And you are ignoring the other selectors in both groups.

                          We need a Tight 5/Loose 3 coordination coach. The coaching team is clearly under-resourced.

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                          • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

                            @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

                            @KiwiMurph said in Name Your AB Team:

                            @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

                            @KiwiMurph said in Name Your AB Team:

                            @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

                            @KiwiMurph said in Name Your AB Team:

                            @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

                            @Kirwan said in Name Your AB Team:

                            @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

                            Sotutu's drawback is that he isn't as good as Ardie and only covers 8.

                            He’s better than Sititi and that’s who’s rumoured to be in.

                            I disagree.
                            Sititi is more powerful and direct than Sotutu.
                            It appears two different sets of coaching groups don't like him.

                            It's the same coach that doesn't like him. Jason Ryan.

                            Wrong.
                            Razor selects the loose forwards.
                            Ryan the tight 5.

                            OK fine but I wouldn't call Ryan and Razor two sets of coaching groups. Two peas in a pod

                            Haha "Okay fine"
                            Don't let your outrage get in the way of the facts.

                            Two sets of coaching groups is disingenuous when you are talking about Ryan and Razor - they are nearly joined at the hip

                            You have no idea whether this is true or not.
                            And you are ignoring the other selectors in both groups.

                            Well Foster & co picked Sotutu in multiple squads before Ryan showed up so.....

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                            Frank
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                            #276

                            @KiwiMurph said in Name Your AB Team:

                            @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

                            @KiwiMurph said in Name Your AB Team:

                            @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

                            @KiwiMurph said in Name Your AB Team:

                            @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

                            @KiwiMurph said in Name Your AB Team:

                            @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

                            @Kirwan said in Name Your AB Team:

                            @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

                            Sotutu's drawback is that he isn't as good as Ardie and only covers 8.

                            He’s better than Sititi and that’s who’s rumoured to be in.

                            I disagree.
                            Sititi is more powerful and direct than Sotutu.
                            It appears two different sets of coaching groups don't like him.

                            It's the same coach that doesn't like him. Jason Ryan.

                            Wrong.
                            Razor selects the loose forwards.
                            Ryan the tight 5.

                            OK fine but I wouldn't call Ryan and Razor two sets of coaching groups. Two peas in a pod

                            Haha "Okay fine"
                            Don't let your outrage get in the way of the facts.

                            Two sets of coaching groups is disingenuous when you are talking about Ryan and Razor - they are nearly joined at the hip

                            You have no idea whether this is true or not.
                            And you are ignoring the other selectors in both groups.

                            Well Foster & co picked Sotutu in multiple squads before Ryan showed up so.....

                            And look how that went..................

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                            • F Frank

                              @KiwiMurph said in Name Your AB Team:

                              @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

                              @KiwiMurph said in Name Your AB Team:

                              @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

                              @KiwiMurph said in Name Your AB Team:

                              @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

                              @Kirwan said in Name Your AB Team:

                              @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

                              Sotutu's drawback is that he isn't as good as Ardie and only covers 8.

                              He’s better than Sititi and that’s who’s rumoured to be in.

                              I disagree.
                              Sititi is more powerful and direct than Sotutu.
                              It appears two different sets of coaching groups don't like him.

                              It's the same coach that doesn't like him. Jason Ryan.

                              Wrong.
                              Razor selects the loose forwards.
                              Ryan the tight 5.

                              OK fine but I wouldn't call Ryan and Razor two sets of coaching groups. Two peas in a pod

                              Haha "Okay fine"
                              Don't let your outrage get in the way of the facts.

                              Two sets of coaching groups is disingenuous when you are talking about Ryan and Razor - they are nearly joined at the hip

                              You have no idea whether this is true or not.

                              Fact is - Foster, Schmidt and Ryan didn't want him.
                              And now it appears - Robertson, Ryan, Hansen and Macdonald don't want him either.

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                              KiwiMurph
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #277

                              @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

                              Fact is - Foster, Schmidt and Ryan didn't want him.
                              And now it appears - Robertson, Ryan, Hansen and Macdonald (and Wayne Smith) don't want him with either.

                              Hold on you said Razor selects the loosies. Now you've moved the goal posts. Nice one.

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                              • F Frank

                                @KiwiMurph said in Name Your AB Team:

                                @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

                                @KiwiMurph said in Name Your AB Team:

                                @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

                                @KiwiMurph said in Name Your AB Team:

                                @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

                                @KiwiMurph said in Name Your AB Team:

                                @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

                                @Kirwan said in Name Your AB Team:

                                @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

                                Sotutu's drawback is that he isn't as good as Ardie and only covers 8.

                                He’s better than Sititi and that’s who’s rumoured to be in.

                                I disagree.
                                Sititi is more powerful and direct than Sotutu.
                                It appears two different sets of coaching groups don't like him.

                                It's the same coach that doesn't like him. Jason Ryan.

                                Wrong.
                                Razor selects the loose forwards.
                                Ryan the tight 5.

                                OK fine but I wouldn't call Ryan and Razor two sets of coaching groups. Two peas in a pod

                                Haha "Okay fine"
                                Don't let your outrage get in the way of the facts.

                                Two sets of coaching groups is disingenuous when you are talking about Ryan and Razor - they are nearly joined at the hip

                                You have no idea whether this is true or not.
                                And you are ignoring the other selectors in both groups.

                                Well Foster & co picked Sotutu in multiple squads before Ryan showed up so.....

                                And look how that went..................

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                                KiwiMurph
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                                #278

                                @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

                                @KiwiMurph said in Name Your AB Team:

                                @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

                                @KiwiMurph said in Name Your AB Team:

                                @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

                                @KiwiMurph said in Name Your AB Team:

                                @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

                                @KiwiMurph said in Name Your AB Team:

                                @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

                                @Kirwan said in Name Your AB Team:

                                @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

                                Sotutu's drawback is that he isn't as good as Ardie and only covers 8.

                                He’s better than Sititi and that’s who’s rumoured to be in.

                                I disagree.
                                Sititi is more powerful and direct than Sotutu.
                                It appears two different sets of coaching groups don't like him.

                                It's the same coach that doesn't like him. Jason Ryan.

                                Wrong.
                                Razor selects the loose forwards.
                                Ryan the tight 5.

                                OK fine but I wouldn't call Ryan and Razor two sets of coaching groups. Two peas in a pod

                                Haha "Okay fine"
                                Don't let your outrage get in the way of the facts.

                                Two sets of coaching groups is disingenuous when you are talking about Ryan and Razor - they are nearly joined at the hip

                                You have no idea whether this is true or not.
                                And you are ignoring the other selectors in both groups.

                                Well Foster & co picked Sotutu in multiple squads before Ryan showed up so.....

                                And look how that went..................

                                As I said I can understand the logic of no selecting him.

                                My point was that saying two sets of coaching groups not selecting him is disenguous

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                                • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

                                  @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

                                  Fact is - Foster, Schmidt and Ryan didn't want him.
                                  And now it appears - Robertson, Ryan, Hansen and Macdonald (and Wayne Smith) don't want him with either.

                                  Hold on you said Razor selects the loosies. Now you've moved the goal posts. Nice one.

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                                  @KiwiMurph said in Name Your AB Team:

                                  @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

                                  Fact is - Foster, Schmidt and Ryan didn't want him.
                                  And now it appears - Robertson, Ryan, Hansen and Macdonald (and Wayne Smith) don't want him with either.

                                  Hold on you said Razor selects the loosies. Now you've moved the goal posts. Nice one.

                                  He does.

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                                  • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

                                    @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

                                    @KiwiMurph said in Name Your AB Team:

                                    @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

                                    @KiwiMurph said in Name Your AB Team:

                                    @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

                                    @KiwiMurph said in Name Your AB Team:

                                    @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

                                    @KiwiMurph said in Name Your AB Team:

                                    @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

                                    @Kirwan said in Name Your AB Team:

                                    @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

                                    Sotutu's drawback is that he isn't as good as Ardie and only covers 8.

                                    He’s better than Sititi and that’s who’s rumoured to be in.

                                    I disagree.
                                    Sititi is more powerful and direct than Sotutu.
                                    It appears two different sets of coaching groups don't like him.

                                    It's the same coach that doesn't like him. Jason Ryan.

                                    Wrong.
                                    Razor selects the loose forwards.
                                    Ryan the tight 5.

                                    OK fine but I wouldn't call Ryan and Razor two sets of coaching groups. Two peas in a pod

                                    Haha "Okay fine"
                                    Don't let your outrage get in the way of the facts.

                                    Two sets of coaching groups is disingenuous when you are talking about Ryan and Razor - they are nearly joined at the hip

                                    You have no idea whether this is true or not.
                                    And you are ignoring the other selectors in both groups.

                                    Well Foster & co picked Sotutu in multiple squads before Ryan showed up so.....

                                    And look how that went..................

                                    As I said I can understand the logic of no selecting him.

                                    My point was that saying two sets of coaching groups not selecting him is disenguous

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                                    @KiwiMurph said in Name Your AB Team:

                                    @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

                                    @KiwiMurph said in Name Your AB Team:

                                    @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

                                    @KiwiMurph said in Name Your AB Team:

                                    @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

                                    @KiwiMurph said in Name Your AB Team:

                                    @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

                                    @KiwiMurph said in Name Your AB Team:

                                    @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

                                    @Kirwan said in Name Your AB Team:

                                    @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

                                    Sotutu's drawback is that he isn't as good as Ardie and only covers 8.

                                    He’s better than Sititi and that’s who’s rumoured to be in.

                                    I disagree.
                                    Sititi is more powerful and direct than Sotutu.
                                    It appears two different sets of coaching groups don't like him.

                                    It's the same coach that doesn't like him. Jason Ryan.

                                    Wrong.
                                    Razor selects the loose forwards.
                                    Ryan the tight 5.

                                    OK fine but I wouldn't call Ryan and Razor two sets of coaching groups. Two peas in a pod

                                    Haha "Okay fine"
                                    Don't let your outrage get in the way of the facts.

                                    Two sets of coaching groups is disingenuous when you are talking about Ryan and Razor - they are nearly joined at the hip

                                    You have no idea whether this is true or not.
                                    And you are ignoring the other selectors in both groups.

                                    Well Foster & co picked Sotutu in multiple squads before Ryan showed up so.....

                                    And look how that went..................

                                    As I said I can understand the logic of no selecting him.

                                    My point was that saying two sets of coaching groups not selecting him is disenguous

                                    For you it is because you think Razor doesn't have independent thinking seprate from Ryan.
                                    Secondly, the last coaching group did not give exclusive power to Ryan to NOT select Sotutu. Foster had a big say and also rejected him.

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                                      At the end of the day, it comes down to Ardie v Hoskins and it would be a big call not to have Ardie in the starting XV.

                                      So the question is whether Hoskins is in the 23 and covers 6 or replaces Ardie who moves to 7 ?

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                                        @KiwiMurph said in Name Your AB Team:

                                        @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

                                        @KiwiMurph said in Name Your AB Team:

                                        @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

                                        @KiwiMurph said in Name Your AB Team:

                                        @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

                                        @KiwiMurph said in Name Your AB Team:

                                        @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

                                        @KiwiMurph said in Name Your AB Team:

                                        @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

                                        @Kirwan said in Name Your AB Team:

                                        @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

                                        Sotutu's drawback is that he isn't as good as Ardie and only covers 8.

                                        He’s better than Sititi and that’s who’s rumoured to be in.

                                        I disagree.
                                        Sititi is more powerful and direct than Sotutu.
                                        It appears two different sets of coaching groups don't like him.

                                        It's the same coach that doesn't like him. Jason Ryan.

                                        Wrong.
                                        Razor selects the loose forwards.
                                        Ryan the tight 5.

                                        OK fine but I wouldn't call Ryan and Razor two sets of coaching groups. Two peas in a pod

                                        Haha "Okay fine"
                                        Don't let your outrage get in the way of the facts.

                                        Two sets of coaching groups is disingenuous when you are talking about Ryan and Razor - they are nearly joined at the hip

                                        You have no idea whether this is true or not.
                                        And you are ignoring the other selectors in both groups.

                                        Well Foster & co picked Sotutu in multiple squads before Ryan showed up so.....

                                        And look how that went..................

                                        As I said I can understand the logic of no selecting him.

                                        My point was that saying two sets of coaching groups not selecting him is disenguous

                                        For you it is because you think Razor doesn't have independent thinking seprate from Ryan.
                                        Secondly, the last coaching group did not give exclusive power to Ryan to NOT select Sotutu. Foster had a big say and also rejected him.

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                                        @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

                                        @KiwiMurph said in Name Your AB Team:

                                        @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

                                        @KiwiMurph said in Name Your AB Team:

                                        @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

                                        @KiwiMurph said in Name Your AB Team:

                                        @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

                                        @KiwiMurph said in Name Your AB Team:

                                        @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

                                        @KiwiMurph said in Name Your AB Team:

                                        @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

                                        @Kirwan said in Name Your AB Team:

                                        @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

                                        Sotutu's drawback is that he isn't as good as Ardie and only covers 8.

                                        He’s better than Sititi and that’s who’s rumoured to be in.

                                        I disagree.
                                        Sititi is more powerful and direct than Sotutu.
                                        It appears two different sets of coaching groups don't like him.

                                        It's the same coach that doesn't like him. Jason Ryan.

                                        Wrong.
                                        Razor selects the loose forwards.
                                        Ryan the tight 5.

                                        OK fine but I wouldn't call Ryan and Razor two sets of coaching groups. Two peas in a pod

                                        Haha "Okay fine"
                                        Don't let your outrage get in the way of the facts.

                                        Two sets of coaching groups is disingenuous when you are talking about Ryan and Razor - they are nearly joined at the hip

                                        You have no idea whether this is true or not.
                                        And you are ignoring the other selectors in both groups.

                                        Well Foster & co picked Sotutu in multiple squads before Ryan showed up so.....

                                        And look how that went..................

                                        As I said I can understand the logic of no selecting him.

                                        My point was that saying two sets of coaching groups not selecting him is disenguous

                                        For you it is because you think Razor doesn't have independent thinking seprate from Ryan.
                                        Secondly, the last coaching group did not give exclusive power to Ryan to NOT select Sotutu. Foster had a big say and also rejected him.

                                        We are going around in circles here. I'll stop derailing the thread and think about the squad I'd name

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                                        • GrooterG Grooter

                                          @KiwiMurph I'm not sure why Bower would be there, we can carry 5 props as Ofa & Tamaiti cover both sides, definitely think we need 4 locks incase S Barrett or Patrick were to get injured in the lead upto a Test

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                                          @Grooter said in Name Your AB Team:

                                          @KiwiMurph I'm not sure why Bower would be there, we can carry 5 props as Ofa & Tamaiti cover both sides, definitely think we need 4 locks incase S Barrett or Patrick were to get injured in the lead upto a Test

                                          Ofa and De groot have injury concerns,If they are unable to train 100% for a while it leaves 3 fit props, I can see why they have included a 6th prop in Bower.
                                          Live scrummaging etc can carry on to rest the props with niggles.

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