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Name Your AB Team

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    Razor will pick whoever he wants. He will want to win as soon as possible, if that doesn't happen he will get less understanding from the rugby public if he's seen to have picked his favourites and ignored form picks

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      @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

      @KiwiMurph said in Name Your AB Team:

      I will be very interested in Razor's comments about the squad - hopefully he hints at players on the radar that will get a look in later in the year.

      The one that I would have the most issues with is Havili. If you pick him as a 10 there are better options if you pick him as a 12 there are better options if you pick him as a 15 there are better options if you pick him as a utility there are better options.

      Havili can play all three.
      Perhaps they want him on the bench to free up space for other places.
      I don't like it either.
      Hopefully he is just an experienced placeholder for the 1st two tests and they cast their net wider once the Rugby Championship gets started.

      Maybe Havili will be the token Crusader backline selection?

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      @pakman said in Name Your AB Team:

      @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

      @KiwiMurph said in Name Your AB Team:

      I will be very interested in Razor's comments about the squad - hopefully he hints at players on the radar that will get a look in later in the year.

      The one that I would have the most issues with is Havili. If you pick him as a 10 there are better options if you pick him as a 12 there are better options if you pick him as a 15 there are better options if you pick him as a utility there are better options.

      Havili can play all three.
      Perhaps they want him on the bench to free up space for other places.
      I don't like it either.
      Hopefully he is just an experienced placeholder for the 1st two tests and they cast their net wider once the Rugby Championship gets started.

      Maybe Havili will be the token Crusader backline selection?

      I’d argue Jordie Barrett is far more of a utility and has done it at test level too ?

      Havilii wasn’t an adequate 10 at Super Level and as @Bones alluded to I can’t even remember him playing 15 it was so long ago.

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      • ChrisC Chris

        @Bones said in Name Your AB Team:

        @sparky said in Name Your AB Team:

        @taniwharugby said in Name Your AB Team:

        Wow, anyone would think a form player has never missed selection before...

        Hard to think of a time before when the NZ Super Rugby player of the season has been totally overlooked by the selectors. Not picking Hoskins Sotutu for the AB squad would be a genuine jaw-dropper.

        Got a list of the players of the year? That might make it easier to think of one.

        Is there such a list ?

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        @Chris Scott Barrett won it last year, Will Jordan won it the year before. I can't find a full list though.

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        • sparkyS sparky

          @Chris Scott Barrett won it last year, Will Jordan won it the year before. I can't find a full list though.

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          @sparky said in Name Your AB Team:

          @Chris Scott Barrett won it last year, Will Jordan won it the year before. I can't find a full list though.

          it hasn’t been named yet for 2024 has it ?

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            @Chris Scott Barrett won it last year, Will Jordan won it the year before. I can't find a full list though.

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            @sparky said in Name Your AB Team:

            @Chris Scott Barrett won it last year, Will Jordan won it the year before. I can't find a full list though.

            It appears you also can't find the list for this year.

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            • ChrisC Chris

              @sparky said in Name Your AB Team:

              @Chris Scott Barrett won it last year, Will Jordan won it the year before. I can't find a full list though.

              it hasn’t been named yet for 2024 has it ?

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              @Chris said in Name Your AB Team:

              @sparky said in Name Your AB Team:

              @Chris Scott Barrett won it last year, Will Jordan won it the year before. I can't find a full list though.

              it hasn’t been named yet for 2024 has it ?

              Have a feeling @sparky has been on a 24 hour bender since the blues won with the state of some of his posts.

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              • BonesB Bones

                @Chris said in Name Your AB Team:

                @sparky said in Name Your AB Team:

                @Chris Scott Barrett won it last year, Will Jordan won it the year before. I can't find a full list though.

                it hasn’t been named yet for 2024 has it ?

                Have a feeling @sparky has been on a 24 hour bender since the blues won with the state of some of his posts.

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                @Bones said in Name Your AB Team:

                @Chris said in Name Your AB Team:

                @sparky said in Name Your AB Team:

                @Chris Scott Barrett won it last year, Will Jordan won it the year before. I can't find a full list though.

                it hasn’t been named yet for 2024 has it ?

                Have a feeling @sparky has been on a 24 hour bender since the blues won with the state of some of his posts.

                The good news for any Blues players who don’t make the ABs is that they can go and transform English Rugby instead.

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                • C chchfanatic

                  Props:
                  de Groot
                  Williams
                  Tu'ungafasi
                  Lomax
                  Newell
                  Bower

                  Hookers:
                  Taylor
                  Aumua
                  Bell if no Taukieho

                  Locks:
                  Barrett CC
                  Tuipulotu
                  Vaa'i

                  Loose Forwards:
                  Papalii
                  Savea CC
                  Blackadder
                  Sititi
                  Finau
                  Cane

                  Halfbacks:
                  Christie
                  Perenara
                  Ratima

                  First Fives:
                  McKenzie
                  Plummer

                  Midfielders:
                  Barrett
                  Havili
                  Ioane
                  Lienert-Brown

                  Outside Backs:
                  Tele'a
                  Clarke
                  Reece
                  Narawa
                  Barrett

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                  @chchfanatic if that's the squad I'm trying to think of any high profile Crusaders who haven't made the squad (in terms of Razor having to make hard decision, so not counting Will Jordan who isn't fit).

                  Cullen Grace the closest?

                  That's pretty fucked if true

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                    Sotutu's drawback is that he isn't as good as Ardie and only covers 8.

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                    • ChrisC Chris

                      @sparky said in Name Your AB Team:

                      @Chris Scott Barrett won it last year, Will Jordan won it the year before. I can't find a full list though.

                      it hasn’t been named yet for 2024 has it ?

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                      @Chris It will formally be named in December at the ASB Rugby awards, but Hoskins is probably the favourite for it.

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                      • F Frank

                        Sotutu's drawback is that he isn't as good as Ardie and only covers 8.

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                        @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

                        Sotutu's drawback is that he isn't as good as Ardie and only covers 8.

                        He’s better than Sititi and that’s who’s rumoured to be in.

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                        • MN5M MN5

                          @Bones said in Name Your AB Team:

                          @Chris said in Name Your AB Team:

                          @sparky said in Name Your AB Team:

                          @Chris Scott Barrett won it last year, Will Jordan won it the year before. I can't find a full list though.

                          it hasn’t been named yet for 2024 has it ?

                          Have a feeling @sparky has been on a 24 hour bender since the blues won with the state of some of his posts.

                          The good news for any Blues players who don’t make the ABs is that they can go and transform English Rugby instead.

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                          @MN5 Hoskins Sotutu could well be playing for England or Fiji by the next World Cup and Akira Ioane for Japan. I wouldn't be surprised if Vern Cotter gets an international coach gig as well.

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                          • F Frank

                            Sotutu's drawback is that he isn't as good as Ardie and only covers 8.

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                            @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

                            Sotutu's drawback is that he isn't as good as Ardie and only covers 8.

                            But he's currently the next best 8 and has the attributes to play at 6 with coaching.

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                            • sparkyS sparky

                              @MN5 Hoskins Sotutu could well be playing for England or Fiji by the next World Cup and Akira Ioane for Japan. I wouldn't be surprised if Vern Cotter gets an international coach gig as well.

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                              @sparky said in Name Your AB Team:

                              @MN5 Hoskins Sotutu could well be playing for England or Fiji by the next World Cup and Akira Ioane for Japan. I wouldn't be surprised if Vern Cotter gets an international coach gig as well.

                              That’s a lot of transforming coming up

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                              • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

                                @chchfanatic if that's the squad I'm trying to think of any high profile Crusaders who haven't made the squad (in terms of Razor having to make hard decision, so not counting Will Jordan who isn't fit).

                                Cullen Grace the closest?

                                That's pretty fucked if true

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                                @KiwiMurph I'm not sure why Bower would be there, we can carry 5 props as Ofa & Tamaiti cover both sides, definitely think we need 4 locks incase S Barrett or Patrick were to get injured in the lead upto a Test

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                                • KirwanK Kirwan

                                  @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

                                  Sotutu's drawback is that he isn't as good as Ardie and only covers 8.

                                  He’s better than Sititi and that’s who’s rumoured to be in.

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                                  @Kirwan said in Name Your AB Team:

                                  @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

                                  Sotutu's drawback is that he isn't as good as Ardie and only covers 8.

                                  He’s better than Sititi and that’s who’s rumoured to be in.

                                  I disagree.
                                  Sititi is more powerful and direct than Sotutu.
                                  It appears two different sets of coaching groups don't like him.

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                                  • canefanC canefan

                                    Razor will pick whoever he wants. He will want to win as soon as possible, if that doesn't happen he will get less understanding from the rugby public if he's seen to have picked his favourites and ignored form picks

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                                    @canefan said in Name Your AB Team:

                                    less understanding from the rugby public if he's seen to have picked his favourites and ignored form picks

                                    again, this has always happened, although favorites probably not right, more that the coaches see things a bit different when trying to build thier team.

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                                    • taniwharugbyT taniwharugby

                                      @canefan said in Name Your AB Team:

                                      less understanding from the rugby public if he's seen to have picked his favourites and ignored form picks

                                      again, this has always happened, although favorites probably not right, more that the coaches see things a bit different when trying to build thier team.

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                                      @taniwharugby said in Name Your AB Team:

                                      @canefan said in Name Your AB Team:

                                      less understanding from the rugby public if he's seen to have picked his favourites and ignored form picks

                                      again, this has always happened, although favorites probably not right, more that the coaches see things a bit different when trying to build thier team.

                                      Winning will be the best salve

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                                      • taniwharugbyT taniwharugby

                                        @canefan said in Name Your AB Team:

                                        less understanding from the rugby public if he's seen to have picked his favourites and ignored form picks

                                        again, this has always happened, although favorites probably not right, more that the coaches see things a bit different when trying to build thier team.

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                                        @taniwharugby said in Name Your AB Team:

                                        @canefan said in Name Your AB Team:

                                        less understanding from the rugby public if he's seen to have picked his favourites and ignored form picks

                                        again, this has always happened, although favorites probably not right, more that the coaches see things a bit different when trying to build thier team.

                                        Yep and the coaches know the players a lot better than the public and will think they can get the best out of whoever they select.

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                                          @Kirwan said in Name Your AB Team:

                                          @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

                                          Sotutu's drawback is that he isn't as good as Ardie and only covers 8.

                                          He’s better than Sititi and that’s who’s rumoured to be in.

                                          I disagree.
                                          Sititi is more powerful and direct than Sotutu.
                                          It appears two different sets of coaching groups don't like him.

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                                          @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

                                          @Kirwan said in Name Your AB Team:

                                          @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

                                          Sotutu's drawback is that he isn't as good as Ardie and only covers 8.

                                          He’s better than Sititi and that’s who’s rumoured to be in.

                                          I disagree.
                                          Sititi is more powerful and direct than Sotutu.
                                          It appears two different sets of coaching groups don't like him.

                                          It's the same coach that doesn't like him. Jason Ryan.

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