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Name Your AB Team

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  • sparkyS sparky

    @taniwharugby said in Name Your AB Team:

    Wow, anyone would think a form player has never missed selection before...

    Hard to think of a time before when the NZ Super Rugby player of the season has been totally overlooked by the selectors. Not picking Hoskins Sotutu for the AB squad would be a genuine jaw-dropper.

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    @sparky said in Name Your AB Team:

    Hard to think of a time before when the NZ Super Rugby player of the season has been totally overlooked by the selectors.

    Really?
    He has been named as NZ Super Rugby Player of the Year?

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    • F Frank

      @KiwiMurph said in Name Your AB Team:

      I will be very interested in Razor's comments about the squad - hopefully he hints at players on the radar that will get a look in later in the year.

      The one that I would have the most issues with is Havili. If you pick him as a 10 there are better options if you pick him as a 12 there are better options if you pick him as a 15 there are better options if you pick him as a utility there are better options.

      Havili can play all three.
      Perhaps they want him on the bench to free up space for other places.
      I don't like it either.
      Hopefully he is just an experienced placeholder for the 1st two tests and they cast their net wider once the Rugby Championship gets started.

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      @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

      @KiwiMurph said in Name Your AB Team:

      I will be very interested in Razor's comments about the squad - hopefully he hints at players on the radar that will get a look in later in the year.

      The one that I would have the most issues with is Havili. If you pick him as a 10 there are better options if you pick him as a 12 there are better options if you pick him as a 15 there are better options if you pick him as a utility there are better options.

      Havili can play all three.
      Perhaps they want him on the bench to free up space for other places.
      I don't like it either.
      Hopefully he is just an experienced placeholder for the 1st two tests and they cast their net wider once the Rugby Championship gets started.

      Maybe Havili will be the token Crusader backline selection?

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      • ChrisC Chris

        @sparky said in Name Your AB Team:

        @Chris Going to be explosions not seen on the Fern since the days of the Mehrts/Spencer debate.

        Those were the days even though I wasn’t on the fern then,I remember the debates all over the

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          Razor will pick whoever he wants. He will want to win as soon as possible, if that doesn't happen he will get less understanding from the rugby public if he's seen to have picked his favourites and ignored form picks

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            @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

            @KiwiMurph said in Name Your AB Team:

            I will be very interested in Razor's comments about the squad - hopefully he hints at players on the radar that will get a look in later in the year.

            The one that I would have the most issues with is Havili. If you pick him as a 10 there are better options if you pick him as a 12 there are better options if you pick him as a 15 there are better options if you pick him as a utility there are better options.

            Havili can play all three.
            Perhaps they want him on the bench to free up space for other places.
            I don't like it either.
            Hopefully he is just an experienced placeholder for the 1st two tests and they cast their net wider once the Rugby Championship gets started.

            Maybe Havili will be the token Crusader backline selection?

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            @pakman said in Name Your AB Team:

            @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

            @KiwiMurph said in Name Your AB Team:

            I will be very interested in Razor's comments about the squad - hopefully he hints at players on the radar that will get a look in later in the year.

            The one that I would have the most issues with is Havili. If you pick him as a 10 there are better options if you pick him as a 12 there are better options if you pick him as a 15 there are better options if you pick him as a utility there are better options.

            Havili can play all three.
            Perhaps they want him on the bench to free up space for other places.
            I don't like it either.
            Hopefully he is just an experienced placeholder for the 1st two tests and they cast their net wider once the Rugby Championship gets started.

            Maybe Havili will be the token Crusader backline selection?

            I’d argue Jordie Barrett is far more of a utility and has done it at test level too ?

            Havilii wasn’t an adequate 10 at Super Level and as @Bones alluded to I can’t even remember him playing 15 it was so long ago.

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            • ChrisC Chris

              @Bones said in Name Your AB Team:

              @sparky said in Name Your AB Team:

              @taniwharugby said in Name Your AB Team:

              Wow, anyone would think a form player has never missed selection before...

              Hard to think of a time before when the NZ Super Rugby player of the season has been totally overlooked by the selectors. Not picking Hoskins Sotutu for the AB squad would be a genuine jaw-dropper.

              Got a list of the players of the year? That might make it easier to think of one.

              Is there such a list ?

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              @Chris Scott Barrett won it last year, Will Jordan won it the year before. I can't find a full list though.

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              • sparkyS sparky

                @Chris Scott Barrett won it last year, Will Jordan won it the year before. I can't find a full list though.

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                @sparky said in Name Your AB Team:

                @Chris Scott Barrett won it last year, Will Jordan won it the year before. I can't find a full list though.

                it hasn’t been named yet for 2024 has it ?

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                • sparkyS sparky

                  @Chris Scott Barrett won it last year, Will Jordan won it the year before. I can't find a full list though.

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                  @sparky said in Name Your AB Team:

                  @Chris Scott Barrett won it last year, Will Jordan won it the year before. I can't find a full list though.

                  It appears you also can't find the list for this year.

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                  • ChrisC Chris

                    @sparky said in Name Your AB Team:

                    @Chris Scott Barrett won it last year, Will Jordan won it the year before. I can't find a full list though.

                    it hasn’t been named yet for 2024 has it ?

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                    @Chris said in Name Your AB Team:

                    @sparky said in Name Your AB Team:

                    @Chris Scott Barrett won it last year, Will Jordan won it the year before. I can't find a full list though.

                    it hasn’t been named yet for 2024 has it ?

                    Have a feeling @sparky has been on a 24 hour bender since the blues won with the state of some of his posts.

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                    • BonesB Bones

                      @Chris said in Name Your AB Team:

                      @sparky said in Name Your AB Team:

                      @Chris Scott Barrett won it last year, Will Jordan won it the year before. I can't find a full list though.

                      it hasn’t been named yet for 2024 has it ?

                      Have a feeling @sparky has been on a 24 hour bender since the blues won with the state of some of his posts.

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                      @Bones said in Name Your AB Team:

                      @Chris said in Name Your AB Team:

                      @sparky said in Name Your AB Team:

                      @Chris Scott Barrett won it last year, Will Jordan won it the year before. I can't find a full list though.

                      it hasn’t been named yet for 2024 has it ?

                      Have a feeling @sparky has been on a 24 hour bender since the blues won with the state of some of his posts.

                      The good news for any Blues players who don’t make the ABs is that they can go and transform English Rugby instead.

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                      • C chchfanatic

                        Props:
                        de Groot
                        Williams
                        Tu'ungafasi
                        Lomax
                        Newell
                        Bower

                        Hookers:
                        Taylor
                        Aumua
                        Bell if no Taukieho

                        Locks:
                        Barrett CC
                        Tuipulotu
                        Vaa'i

                        Loose Forwards:
                        Papalii
                        Savea CC
                        Blackadder
                        Sititi
                        Finau
                        Cane

                        Halfbacks:
                        Christie
                        Perenara
                        Ratima

                        First Fives:
                        McKenzie
                        Plummer

                        Midfielders:
                        Barrett
                        Havili
                        Ioane
                        Lienert-Brown

                        Outside Backs:
                        Tele'a
                        Clarke
                        Reece
                        Narawa
                        Barrett

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                        @chchfanatic if that's the squad I'm trying to think of any high profile Crusaders who haven't made the squad (in terms of Razor having to make hard decision, so not counting Will Jordan who isn't fit).

                        Cullen Grace the closest?

                        That's pretty fucked if true

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                          Sotutu's drawback is that he isn't as good as Ardie and only covers 8.

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                          • ChrisC Chris

                            @sparky said in Name Your AB Team:

                            @Chris Scott Barrett won it last year, Will Jordan won it the year before. I can't find a full list though.

                            it hasn’t been named yet for 2024 has it ?

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                            @Chris It will formally be named in December at the ASB Rugby awards, but Hoskins is probably the favourite for it.

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                            • F Frank

                              Sotutu's drawback is that he isn't as good as Ardie and only covers 8.

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                              @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

                              Sotutu's drawback is that he isn't as good as Ardie and only covers 8.

                              He’s better than Sititi and that’s who’s rumoured to be in.

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                              • MN5M MN5

                                @Bones said in Name Your AB Team:

                                @Chris said in Name Your AB Team:

                                @sparky said in Name Your AB Team:

                                @Chris Scott Barrett won it last year, Will Jordan won it the year before. I can't find a full list though.

                                it hasn’t been named yet for 2024 has it ?

                                Have a feeling @sparky has been on a 24 hour bender since the blues won with the state of some of his posts.

                                The good news for any Blues players who don’t make the ABs is that they can go and transform English Rugby instead.

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                                @MN5 Hoskins Sotutu could well be playing for England or Fiji by the next World Cup and Akira Ioane for Japan. I wouldn't be surprised if Vern Cotter gets an international coach gig as well.

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                                • F Frank

                                  Sotutu's drawback is that he isn't as good as Ardie and only covers 8.

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                                  @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

                                  Sotutu's drawback is that he isn't as good as Ardie and only covers 8.

                                  But he's currently the next best 8 and has the attributes to play at 6 with coaching.

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                                  • sparkyS sparky

                                    @MN5 Hoskins Sotutu could well be playing for England or Fiji by the next World Cup and Akira Ioane for Japan. I wouldn't be surprised if Vern Cotter gets an international coach gig as well.

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                                    @sparky said in Name Your AB Team:

                                    @MN5 Hoskins Sotutu could well be playing for England or Fiji by the next World Cup and Akira Ioane for Japan. I wouldn't be surprised if Vern Cotter gets an international coach gig as well.

                                    That’s a lot of transforming coming up

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                                    • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

                                      @chchfanatic if that's the squad I'm trying to think of any high profile Crusaders who haven't made the squad (in terms of Razor having to make hard decision, so not counting Will Jordan who isn't fit).

                                      Cullen Grace the closest?

                                      That's pretty fucked if true

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                                      @KiwiMurph I'm not sure why Bower would be there, we can carry 5 props as Ofa & Tamaiti cover both sides, definitely think we need 4 locks incase S Barrett or Patrick were to get injured in the lead upto a Test

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                                      • KirwanK Kirwan

                                        @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

                                        Sotutu's drawback is that he isn't as good as Ardie and only covers 8.

                                        He’s better than Sititi and that’s who’s rumoured to be in.

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                                        @Kirwan said in Name Your AB Team:

                                        @Frank said in Name Your AB Team:

                                        Sotutu's drawback is that he isn't as good as Ardie and only covers 8.

                                        He’s better than Sititi and that’s who’s rumoured to be in.

                                        I disagree.
                                        Sititi is more powerful and direct than Sotutu.
                                        It appears two different sets of coaching groups don't like him.

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                                        • canefanC canefan

                                          Razor will pick whoever he wants. He will want to win as soon as possible, if that doesn't happen he will get less understanding from the rugby public if he's seen to have picked his favourites and ignored form picks

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                                          @canefan said in Name Your AB Team:

                                          less understanding from the rugby public if he's seen to have picked his favourites and ignored form picks

                                          again, this has always happened, although favorites probably not right, more that the coaches see things a bit different when trying to build thier team.

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