All Blacks vs England 2
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@gt12 bring it on I say. Not the injury but him getting his opportunity. Two ways it could go in my view - he could be the next Kevin Senio or the next Jimmy Cowan.
I see similarities in Hotham’s game to both of these guys. One was a 50 test AB and the other played 3 or 4 minutes at the end of a Bledisloe match and that’s it.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs England 2:
I see similarities in Hotham’s game to both of these guys
When Hotham actually started to play well I could have sworn I was watching Perenara from a decade ago.
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I'd prefer it if there wasn't a visible shot clock. The kickers have plenty of time
The reason you need a clock is because you are time wasting. You are either trying to prevent a kickoff, use up time during a card, or burn time at the end of the match because you are in front. All negative time wasting
Kiwis get all hot about time wasting in other areas of the game but not this one
Also, fans should criticise their player when they fuck up not the officials. It shouldn't be their job to hand hold you during time wasting. At most a ref should say "Hurry up"
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@KiwiMurph probably be cheaper and less trouble for the players to listen to the ref
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@KiwiMurph probably be cheaper and less trouble for the players to listen to the ref
Yeah nah.
This isn't the 1980s. They have massive screens these days. DMac has enough to worry about in his routine he should be able to have a visual cue rather than trying to guess in his head after getting an audible cue from a ref (be it 20 seconds or 10 seconds or whatever).
They have screens with countdowns in
MLB for pitchers and hitters, for Tennis and serving etcNeed to get with the times.
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personally i would think it would be less distracting to kick it as quick as possibly after a 10 second warning than look up at a screen (arent always behind the posts) to check how much time you have, then re target etc....to each their own
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@KiwiMurph probably be cheaper and less trouble for the players to listen to the ref
Yeah nah.
This isn't the 1980s. They have massive screens these days. DMac has enough to worry about in his routine he should be able to have a visual cue rather than trying to guess in his head after getting an audible cue from a ref (be it 20 seconds or 10 seconds or whatever).
They have screens with countdowns in
MLB for pitchers and hitters, for Tennis and serving etcNeed to get with the times.
@KiwiMurph surely it should be part of your routine? In any case, just ask the ref before the game to give you markers.
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@KiwiMurph surely it should be part of your routine? In any case, just ask the ref before the game to give you markers.
@Bones said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@KiwiMurph surely it should be part of your routine? In any case, just ask the ref before the game to give you markers.
pretty sure they do already, i believe the ref told him at 20 and 10 seconds, hell, they do in club rugby
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@KiwiMurph surely it should be part of your routine? In any case, just ask the ref before the game to give you markers.
@Bones said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@KiwiMurph surely it should be part of your routine? In any case, just ask the ref before the game to give you markers.
Just remove all doubt and have a countdown on the screens.
It's also going to be on the broadcast which is helpful for the fans.
I don't understand this aversion to using the technology.
Quote from DMac
But, unlike other sports such as basketball, there has been no provision of a shot clock to let the kickers, or those fans, know how long is left on the timer. "I’m not making any excuses, but it would help [if there was a shot clock]," McKenzie said. "I think it would be great if there was a timer on the screen and you could sort of get a bit of an idea. "My counting in my head, in 60sec, especially when I’m trying to focus on the kick, is not that great." -
@Bones said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@KiwiMurph surely it should be part of your routine? In any case, just ask the ref before the game to give you markers.
Just remove all doubt and have a countdown on the screens.
It's also going to be on the broadcast which is helpful for the fans.
I don't understand this aversion to using the technology.
Quote from DMac
But, unlike other sports such as basketball, there has been no provision of a shot clock to let the kickers, or those fans, know how long is left on the timer. "I’m not making any excuses, but it would help [if there was a shot clock]," McKenzie said. "I think it would be great if there was a timer on the screen and you could sort of get a bit of an idea. "My counting in my head, in 60sec, especially when I’m trying to focus on the kick, is not that great."@KiwiMurph because the "technology" is already there... the ref. What if the ref disagrees with the shot clock?
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@KiwiMurph because the "technology" is already there... the ref. What if the ref disagrees with the shot clock?
@Bones said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@KiwiMurph because the "technology" is already there... the ref. What if the ref disagrees with the shot clock?
The ref is already aligned to the stadium. The ref nowadays waits for the hooter to go before blowing half time and full time. The ref waits for the 10 second countdown on the big screen before kicking off etc.
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@Bones said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@KiwiMurph surely it should be part of your routine? In any case, just ask the ref before the game to give you markers.
Just remove all doubt and have a countdown on the screens.
It's also going to be on the broadcast which is helpful for the fans.
I don't understand this aversion to using the technology.
Quote from DMac
But, unlike other sports such as basketball, there has been no provision of a shot clock to let the kickers, or those fans, know how long is left on the timer. "I’m not making any excuses, but it would help [if there was a shot clock]," McKenzie said. "I think it would be great if there was a timer on the screen and you could sort of get a bit of an idea. "My counting in my head, in 60sec, especially when I’m trying to focus on the kick, is not that great."@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@KiwiMurph surely it should be part of your routine? In any case, just ask the ref before the game to give you markers.
Just remove all doubt and have a countdown on the screens.
It's also going to be on the broadcast which is helpful for the fans.
I don't understand this aversion to using the technology.
Quote from DMac
But, unlike other sports such as basketball, there has been no provision of a shot clock to let the kickers, or those fans, know how long is left on the timer. "I’m not making any excuses, but it would help [if there was a shot clock]," McKenzie said. "I think it would be great if there was a timer on the screen and you could sort of get a bit of an idea. "My counting in my head, in 60sec, especially when I’m trying to focus on the kick, is not that great."im not adverse....just seems unnecessary given the ref is already there talking to them and we can hear the refs warnings
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@Bones said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@KiwiMurph because the "technology" is already there... the ref. What if the ref disagrees with the shot clock?
The ref is already aligned to the stadium. The ref nowadays waits for the hooter to go before blowing half time and full time. The ref waits for the 10 second countdown on the big screen before kicking off etc.
@KiwiMurph yeah much like everyone else I'm not that fussed, it just seems like a silly extra. We gonna put a 5 second clear clock up now too when the ball becomes available at the breakdown?
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@KiwiMurph surely it should be part of your routine? In any case, just ask the ref before the game to give you markers.
Just remove all doubt and have a countdown on the screens.
It's also going to be on the broadcast which is helpful for the fans.
I don't understand this aversion to using the technology.
Quote from DMac
But, unlike other sports such as basketball, there has been no provision of a shot clock to let the kickers, or those fans, know how long is left on the timer. "I’m not making any excuses, but it would help [if there was a shot clock]," McKenzie said. "I think it would be great if there was a timer on the screen and you could sort of get a bit of an idea. "My counting in my head, in 60sec, especially when I’m trying to focus on the kick, is not that great."im not adverse....just seems unnecessary given the ref is already there talking to them and we can hear the refs warnings
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@KiwiMurph surely it should be part of your routine? In any case, just ask the ref before the game to give you markers.
Just remove all doubt and have a countdown on the screens.
It's also going to be on the broadcast which is helpful for the fans.
I don't understand this aversion to using the technology.
Quote from DMac
But, unlike other sports such as basketball, there has been no provision of a shot clock to let the kickers, or those fans, know how long is left on the timer. "I’m not making any excuses, but it would help [if there was a shot clock]," McKenzie said. "I think it would be great if there was a timer on the screen and you could sort of get a bit of an idea. "My counting in my head, in 60sec, especially when I’m trying to focus on the kick, is not that great."im not adverse....just seems unnecessary given the ref is already there talking to them and we can hear the refs warnings
I would like to hear the view of kickers and their view. Players have set routines they go through.
I think the time wasting is taken care of with these time limits themselves - it was before the time limits were introduced that people were taking the piss.
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs England 2:
I see similarities in Hotham’s game to both of these guys
When Hotham actually started to play well I could have sworn I was watching Perenara from a decade ago.
@Bones said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs England 2:
I see similarities in Hotham’s game to both of these guys
When Hotham actually started to play well I could have sworn I was watching Perenara from a decade ago.
well both are Maori
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@KiwiMurph surely it should be part of your routine? In any case, just ask the ref before the game to give you markers.
Just remove all doubt and have a countdown on the screens.
It's also going to be on the broadcast which is helpful for the fans.
I don't understand this aversion to using the technology.
Quote from DMac
But, unlike other sports such as basketball, there has been no provision of a shot clock to let the kickers, or those fans, know how long is left on the timer. "I’m not making any excuses, but it would help [if there was a shot clock]," McKenzie said. "I think it would be great if there was a timer on the screen and you could sort of get a bit of an idea. "My counting in my head, in 60sec, especially when I’m trying to focus on the kick, is not that great."im not adverse....just seems unnecessary given the ref is already there talking to them and we can hear the refs warnings
I would like to hear the view of kickers and their view. Players have set routines they go through.
I think the time wasting is taken care of with these time limits themselves - it was before the time limits were introduced that people were taking the piss.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@KiwiMurph surely it should be part of your routine? In any case, just ask the ref before the game to give you markers.
Just remove all doubt and have a countdown on the screens.
It's also going to be on the broadcast which is helpful for the fans.
I don't understand this aversion to using the technology.
Quote from DMac
But, unlike other sports such as basketball, there has been no provision of a shot clock to let the kickers, or those fans, know how long is left on the timer. "I’m not making any excuses, but it would help [if there was a shot clock]," McKenzie said. "I think it would be great if there was a timer on the screen and you could sort of get a bit of an idea. "My counting in my head, in 60sec, especially when I’m trying to focus on the kick, is not that great."im not adverse....just seems unnecessary given the ref is already there talking to them and we can hear the refs warnings
I would like to hear the view of kickers and their view. Players have set routines they go through.
I think the time wasting is taken care of with these time limits themselves - it was before the time limits were introduced that people were taking the piss.
and given currently they dont have a shot clock available so their routine cant/wont include looking at the clock
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@Bones said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs England 2:
I see similarities in Hotham’s game to both of these guys
When Hotham actually started to play well I could have sworn I was watching Perenara from a decade ago.
well both are Maori
@darylmitchell said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs England 2:
I see similarities in Hotham’s game to both of these guys
When Hotham actually started to play well I could have sworn I was watching Perenara from a decade ago.
well both are Maori
Yeah pretty sure that's it
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@KiwiMurph surely it should be part of your routine? In any case, just ask the ref before the game to give you markers.
Just remove all doubt and have a countdown on the screens.
It's also going to be on the broadcast which is helpful for the fans.
I don't understand this aversion to using the technology.
Quote from DMac
But, unlike other sports such as basketball, there has been no provision of a shot clock to let the kickers, or those fans, know how long is left on the timer. "I’m not making any excuses, but it would help [if there was a shot clock]," McKenzie said. "I think it would be great if there was a timer on the screen and you could sort of get a bit of an idea. "My counting in my head, in 60sec, especially when I’m trying to focus on the kick, is not that great."im not adverse....just seems unnecessary given the ref is already there talking to them and we can hear the refs warnings
I would like to hear the view of kickers and their view. Players have set routines they go through.
I think the time wasting is taken care of with these time limits themselves - it was before the time limits were introduced that people were taking the piss.
and given currently they dont have a shot clock available so their routine cant/wont include looking at the clock
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@KiwiMurph surely it should be part of your routine? In any case, just ask the ref before the game to give you markers.
Just remove all doubt and have a countdown on the screens.
It's also going to be on the broadcast which is helpful for the fans.
I don't understand this aversion to using the technology.
Quote from DMac
But, unlike other sports such as basketball, there has been no provision of a shot clock to let the kickers, or those fans, know how long is left on the timer. "I’m not making any excuses, but it would help [if there was a shot clock]," McKenzie said. "I think it would be great if there was a timer on the screen and you could sort of get a bit of an idea. "My counting in my head, in 60sec, especially when I’m trying to focus on the kick, is not that great."im not adverse....just seems unnecessary given the ref is already there talking to them and we can hear the refs warnings
I would like to hear the view of kickers and their view. Players have set routines they go through.
I think the time wasting is taken care of with these time limits themselves - it was before the time limits were introduced that people were taking the piss.
and given currently they dont have a shot clock available so their routine cant/wont include looking at the clock
And I've got a quote from a kicker saying it would be helpful.
Not to mention it also helps the fans at the ground too.
Anyway we are going around in circles. Agree to disagree.
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@KiwiMurph surely it should be part of your routine? In any case, just ask the ref before the game to give you markers.
Just remove all doubt and have a countdown on the screens.
It's also going to be on the broadcast which is helpful for the fans.
I don't understand this aversion to using the technology.
Quote from DMac
But, unlike other sports such as basketball, there has been no provision of a shot clock to let the kickers, or those fans, know how long is left on the timer. "I’m not making any excuses, but it would help [if there was a shot clock]," McKenzie said. "I think it would be great if there was a timer on the screen and you could sort of get a bit of an idea. "My counting in my head, in 60sec, especially when I’m trying to focus on the kick, is not that great."im not adverse....just seems unnecessary given the ref is already there talking to them and we can hear the refs warnings
I would like to hear the view of kickers and their view. Players have set routines they go through.
I think the time wasting is taken care of with these time limits themselves - it was before the time limits were introduced that people were taking the piss.
and given currently they dont have a shot clock available so their routine cant/wont include looking at the clock
And I've got a quote from a kicker saying it would be helpful.
Not to mention it also helps the fans at the ground too.
Anyway we are going around in circles. Agree to disagree.
@KiwiMurph thats why i said "to each their own" several posts ago
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definitely not in favour of showing the shot clock, wasting time on purpose is annoying and if you fuck up sometimes then so be it, serves you right. I think there are shot clocks in European club matches, I don't like it. I'd be interested to see the kicking stats of those occasions when people are killing time as it seems to disrupt their routine and I'd be surprised if their stats are as high as normal.
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I'd prefer it if there wasn't a visible shot clock. The kickers have plenty of time
The reason you need a clock is because you are time wasting. You are either trying to prevent a kickoff, use up time during a card, or burn time at the end of the match because you are in front. All negative time wasting
Kiwis get all hot about time wasting in other areas of the game but not this one
Also, fans should criticise their player when they fuck up not the officials. It shouldn't be their job to hand hold you during time wasting. At most a ref should say "Hurry up"
