All Blacks vs England 2
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@Bones said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@KiwiMurph surely it should be part of your routine? In any case, just ask the ref before the game to give you markers.
Just remove all doubt and have a countdown on the screens.
It's also going to be on the broadcast which is helpful for the fans.
I don't understand this aversion to using the technology.
Quote from DMac
But, unlike other sports such as basketball, there has been no provision of a shot clock to let the kickers, or those fans, know how long is left on the timer. "I’m not making any excuses, but it would help [if there was a shot clock]," McKenzie said. "I think it would be great if there was a timer on the screen and you could sort of get a bit of an idea. "My counting in my head, in 60sec, especially when I’m trying to focus on the kick, is not that great."@KiwiMurph because the "technology" is already there... the ref. What if the ref disagrees with the shot clock?
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@KiwiMurph because the "technology" is already there... the ref. What if the ref disagrees with the shot clock?
@Bones said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@KiwiMurph because the "technology" is already there... the ref. What if the ref disagrees with the shot clock?
The ref is already aligned to the stadium. The ref nowadays waits for the hooter to go before blowing half time and full time. The ref waits for the 10 second countdown on the big screen before kicking off etc.
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@Bones said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@KiwiMurph surely it should be part of your routine? In any case, just ask the ref before the game to give you markers.
Just remove all doubt and have a countdown on the screens.
It's also going to be on the broadcast which is helpful for the fans.
I don't understand this aversion to using the technology.
Quote from DMac
But, unlike other sports such as basketball, there has been no provision of a shot clock to let the kickers, or those fans, know how long is left on the timer. "I’m not making any excuses, but it would help [if there was a shot clock]," McKenzie said. "I think it would be great if there was a timer on the screen and you could sort of get a bit of an idea. "My counting in my head, in 60sec, especially when I’m trying to focus on the kick, is not that great."@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@KiwiMurph surely it should be part of your routine? In any case, just ask the ref before the game to give you markers.
Just remove all doubt and have a countdown on the screens.
It's also going to be on the broadcast which is helpful for the fans.
I don't understand this aversion to using the technology.
Quote from DMac
But, unlike other sports such as basketball, there has been no provision of a shot clock to let the kickers, or those fans, know how long is left on the timer. "I’m not making any excuses, but it would help [if there was a shot clock]," McKenzie said. "I think it would be great if there was a timer on the screen and you could sort of get a bit of an idea. "My counting in my head, in 60sec, especially when I’m trying to focus on the kick, is not that great."im not adverse....just seems unnecessary given the ref is already there talking to them and we can hear the refs warnings
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@Bones said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@KiwiMurph because the "technology" is already there... the ref. What if the ref disagrees with the shot clock?
The ref is already aligned to the stadium. The ref nowadays waits for the hooter to go before blowing half time and full time. The ref waits for the 10 second countdown on the big screen before kicking off etc.
@KiwiMurph yeah much like everyone else I'm not that fussed, it just seems like a silly extra. We gonna put a 5 second clear clock up now too when the ball becomes available at the breakdown?
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@KiwiMurph surely it should be part of your routine? In any case, just ask the ref before the game to give you markers.
Just remove all doubt and have a countdown on the screens.
It's also going to be on the broadcast which is helpful for the fans.
I don't understand this aversion to using the technology.
Quote from DMac
But, unlike other sports such as basketball, there has been no provision of a shot clock to let the kickers, or those fans, know how long is left on the timer. "I’m not making any excuses, but it would help [if there was a shot clock]," McKenzie said. "I think it would be great if there was a timer on the screen and you could sort of get a bit of an idea. "My counting in my head, in 60sec, especially when I’m trying to focus on the kick, is not that great."im not adverse....just seems unnecessary given the ref is already there talking to them and we can hear the refs warnings
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@KiwiMurph surely it should be part of your routine? In any case, just ask the ref before the game to give you markers.
Just remove all doubt and have a countdown on the screens.
It's also going to be on the broadcast which is helpful for the fans.
I don't understand this aversion to using the technology.
Quote from DMac
But, unlike other sports such as basketball, there has been no provision of a shot clock to let the kickers, or those fans, know how long is left on the timer. "I’m not making any excuses, but it would help [if there was a shot clock]," McKenzie said. "I think it would be great if there was a timer on the screen and you could sort of get a bit of an idea. "My counting in my head, in 60sec, especially when I’m trying to focus on the kick, is not that great."im not adverse....just seems unnecessary given the ref is already there talking to them and we can hear the refs warnings
I would like to hear the view of kickers and their view. Players have set routines they go through.
I think the time wasting is taken care of with these time limits themselves - it was before the time limits were introduced that people were taking the piss.
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs England 2:
I see similarities in Hotham’s game to both of these guys
When Hotham actually started to play well I could have sworn I was watching Perenara from a decade ago.
@Bones said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs England 2:
I see similarities in Hotham’s game to both of these guys
When Hotham actually started to play well I could have sworn I was watching Perenara from a decade ago.
well both are Maori
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@KiwiMurph surely it should be part of your routine? In any case, just ask the ref before the game to give you markers.
Just remove all doubt and have a countdown on the screens.
It's also going to be on the broadcast which is helpful for the fans.
I don't understand this aversion to using the technology.
Quote from DMac
But, unlike other sports such as basketball, there has been no provision of a shot clock to let the kickers, or those fans, know how long is left on the timer. "I’m not making any excuses, but it would help [if there was a shot clock]," McKenzie said. "I think it would be great if there was a timer on the screen and you could sort of get a bit of an idea. "My counting in my head, in 60sec, especially when I’m trying to focus on the kick, is not that great."im not adverse....just seems unnecessary given the ref is already there talking to them and we can hear the refs warnings
I would like to hear the view of kickers and their view. Players have set routines they go through.
I think the time wasting is taken care of with these time limits themselves - it was before the time limits were introduced that people were taking the piss.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@KiwiMurph surely it should be part of your routine? In any case, just ask the ref before the game to give you markers.
Just remove all doubt and have a countdown on the screens.
It's also going to be on the broadcast which is helpful for the fans.
I don't understand this aversion to using the technology.
Quote from DMac
But, unlike other sports such as basketball, there has been no provision of a shot clock to let the kickers, or those fans, know how long is left on the timer. "I’m not making any excuses, but it would help [if there was a shot clock]," McKenzie said. "I think it would be great if there was a timer on the screen and you could sort of get a bit of an idea. "My counting in my head, in 60sec, especially when I’m trying to focus on the kick, is not that great."im not adverse....just seems unnecessary given the ref is already there talking to them and we can hear the refs warnings
I would like to hear the view of kickers and their view. Players have set routines they go through.
I think the time wasting is taken care of with these time limits themselves - it was before the time limits were introduced that people were taking the piss.
and given currently they dont have a shot clock available so their routine cant/wont include looking at the clock
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@Bones said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs England 2:
I see similarities in Hotham’s game to both of these guys
When Hotham actually started to play well I could have sworn I was watching Perenara from a decade ago.
well both are Maori
@darylmitchell said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs England 2:
I see similarities in Hotham’s game to both of these guys
When Hotham actually started to play well I could have sworn I was watching Perenara from a decade ago.
well both are Maori
Yeah pretty sure that's it
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@KiwiMurph surely it should be part of your routine? In any case, just ask the ref before the game to give you markers.
Just remove all doubt and have a countdown on the screens.
It's also going to be on the broadcast which is helpful for the fans.
I don't understand this aversion to using the technology.
Quote from DMac
But, unlike other sports such as basketball, there has been no provision of a shot clock to let the kickers, or those fans, know how long is left on the timer. "I’m not making any excuses, but it would help [if there was a shot clock]," McKenzie said. "I think it would be great if there was a timer on the screen and you could sort of get a bit of an idea. "My counting in my head, in 60sec, especially when I’m trying to focus on the kick, is not that great."im not adverse....just seems unnecessary given the ref is already there talking to them and we can hear the refs warnings
I would like to hear the view of kickers and their view. Players have set routines they go through.
I think the time wasting is taken care of with these time limits themselves - it was before the time limits were introduced that people were taking the piss.
and given currently they dont have a shot clock available so their routine cant/wont include looking at the clock
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@KiwiMurph surely it should be part of your routine? In any case, just ask the ref before the game to give you markers.
Just remove all doubt and have a countdown on the screens.
It's also going to be on the broadcast which is helpful for the fans.
I don't understand this aversion to using the technology.
Quote from DMac
But, unlike other sports such as basketball, there has been no provision of a shot clock to let the kickers, or those fans, know how long is left on the timer. "I’m not making any excuses, but it would help [if there was a shot clock]," McKenzie said. "I think it would be great if there was a timer on the screen and you could sort of get a bit of an idea. "My counting in my head, in 60sec, especially when I’m trying to focus on the kick, is not that great."im not adverse....just seems unnecessary given the ref is already there talking to them and we can hear the refs warnings
I would like to hear the view of kickers and their view. Players have set routines they go through.
I think the time wasting is taken care of with these time limits themselves - it was before the time limits were introduced that people were taking the piss.
and given currently they dont have a shot clock available so their routine cant/wont include looking at the clock
And I've got a quote from a kicker saying it would be helpful.
Not to mention it also helps the fans at the ground too.
Anyway we are going around in circles. Agree to disagree.
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@KiwiMurph surely it should be part of your routine? In any case, just ask the ref before the game to give you markers.
Just remove all doubt and have a countdown on the screens.
It's also going to be on the broadcast which is helpful for the fans.
I don't understand this aversion to using the technology.
Quote from DMac
But, unlike other sports such as basketball, there has been no provision of a shot clock to let the kickers, or those fans, know how long is left on the timer. "I’m not making any excuses, but it would help [if there was a shot clock]," McKenzie said. "I think it would be great if there was a timer on the screen and you could sort of get a bit of an idea. "My counting in my head, in 60sec, especially when I’m trying to focus on the kick, is not that great."im not adverse....just seems unnecessary given the ref is already there talking to them and we can hear the refs warnings
I would like to hear the view of kickers and their view. Players have set routines they go through.
I think the time wasting is taken care of with these time limits themselves - it was before the time limits were introduced that people were taking the piss.
and given currently they dont have a shot clock available so their routine cant/wont include looking at the clock
And I've got a quote from a kicker saying it would be helpful.
Not to mention it also helps the fans at the ground too.
Anyway we are going around in circles. Agree to disagree.
@KiwiMurph thats why i said "to each their own" several posts ago
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definitely not in favour of showing the shot clock, wasting time on purpose is annoying and if you fuck up sometimes then so be it, serves you right. I think there are shot clocks in European club matches, I don't like it. I'd be interested to see the kicking stats of those occasions when people are killing time as it seems to disrupt their routine and I'd be surprised if their stats are as high as normal.
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I'd prefer it if there wasn't a visible shot clock. The kickers have plenty of time
The reason you need a clock is because you are time wasting. You are either trying to prevent a kickoff, use up time during a card, or burn time at the end of the match because you are in front. All negative time wasting
Kiwis get all hot about time wasting in other areas of the game but not this one
Also, fans should criticise their player when they fuck up not the officials. It shouldn't be their job to hand hold you during time wasting. At most a ref should say "Hurry up"
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@KiwiMurph surely it should be part of your routine? In any case, just ask the ref before the game to give you markers.
Just remove all doubt and have a countdown on the screens.
It's also going to be on the broadcast which is helpful for the fans.
I don't understand this aversion to using the technology.
Quote from DMac
But, unlike other sports such as basketball, there has been no provision of a shot clock to let the kickers, or those fans, know how long is left on the timer. "I’m not making any excuses, but it would help [if there was a shot clock]," McKenzie said. "I think it would be great if there was a timer on the screen and you could sort of get a bit of an idea. "My counting in my head, in 60sec, especially when I’m trying to focus on the kick, is not that great."im not adverse....just seems unnecessary given the ref is already there talking to them and we can hear the refs warnings
I would like to hear the view of kickers and their view. Players have set routines they go through.
I think the time wasting is taken care of with these time limits themselves - it was before the time limits were introduced that people were taking the piss.
and given currently they dont have a shot clock available so their routine cant/wont include looking at the clock
And I've got a quote from a kicker saying it would be helpful.
Not to mention it also helps the fans at the ground too.
Anyway we are going around in circles. Agree to disagree.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@KiwiMurph surely it should be part of your routine? In any case, just ask the ref before the game to give you markers.
Just remove all doubt and have a countdown on the screens.
It's also going to be on the broadcast which is helpful for the fans.
I don't understand this aversion to using the technology.
Quote from DMac
But, unlike other sports such as basketball, there has been no provision of a shot clock to let the kickers, or those fans, know how long is left on the timer. "I’m not making any excuses, but it would help [if there was a shot clock]," McKenzie said. "I think it would be great if there was a timer on the screen and you could sort of get a bit of an idea. "My counting in my head, in 60sec, especially when I’m trying to focus on the kick, is not that great."im not adverse....just seems unnecessary given the ref is already there talking to them and we can hear the refs warnings
I would like to hear the view of kickers and their view. Players have set routines they go through.
I think the time wasting is taken care of with these time limits themselves - it was before the time limits were introduced that people were taking the piss.
and given currently they dont have a shot clock available so their routine cant/wont include looking at the clock
And I've got a quote from a kicker saying it would be helpful.
Not to mention it also helps the fans at the ground too.
Anyway we are going around in circles. Agree to disagree.
I'm interested how they build it into their routine at training...
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@KiwiMurph because the "technology" is already there... the ref. What if the ref disagrees with the shot clock?
@Bones said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@KiwiMurph because the "technology" is already there... the ref.
This was the same ref who allowed so much time for box kicks. I wouldn't be trusting his timekeeping. In SR the TMO conveys the time left to the ref, who then tells the player.
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@Daffy-Jaffy said in All Blacks vs England 2:
It seems EDG was standing up outside English TH armpit, which, strictly speaking, is not legal. But in H1 generally was on other side from ref who only saw the damage he and Taylor wrought. Was pinged at 42, although had ABs cleared from that scrum he’d have let it slide.
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@Gunner said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Gunner said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks vs England 2:
Crusaders coaching teams picks crusaders player for higher honors? Colour me shocked.
Funaki had a far better season than he did, almost pushing out Christie.
Funaki was great for most of the season, however he stunk the joint up in the quarter or semi final (can’t recall which now), which may have impacted his chances.
Hotham may as well have not even been on the field for the finals.
Unsure what you’re getting at.
I mean, no shit Sherlock, Hotham didn’t play finals.
Haven’t we always been led to believe that finals form, or lack of, matters?
Just putting it out there that a shit game at the wrong time of the year may have counted against Funaki…
Yep, completely understand that. Doesn't really make a lot of sense when you're selecting a guy who must have been a big reason why his team didn't even make said finals, over a guy who was very much a reason his team did.
@Bones said in All Blacks vs England 2:
Yep, completely understand that. Doesn't really make a lot of sense when you're selecting a guy who must have been a big reason why his team didn't even make said finals, over a guy who was very much a reason his team did
Very fair point. Funaki and Ratima were top drawer in the SR season and I'd assumed Funaki was the one who missed out. Ditto Plummer.
Maybe we'll find out what Funaki needs to work on at the next presser.
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@Bones said in All Blacks vs England 2:
Yep, completely understand that. Doesn't really make a lot of sense when you're selecting a guy who must have been a big reason why his team didn't even make said finals, over a guy who was very much a reason his team did
Very fair point. Funaki and Ratima were top drawer in the SR season and I'd assumed Funaki was the one who missed out. Ditto Plummer.
Maybe we'll find out what Funaki needs to work on at the next presser.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks vs England 2:
“Razors hairline” could be the “Foster is Fat” of 2024……
As a Stephen King fan, Can I suggest Robertson's moniker be "The Walking Together Dude"...
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@Victor-Meldrew yeah, I would've hoped they'd gamble on seeing what Plummer can do instead of Havili. He's certainly a lot better in contact.
@Bones said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Victor-Meldrew yeah, I would've hoped they'd gamble on seeing what Plummer can do instead of Havili. He's certainly a lot better in contact.
Maybe the plan is to get thru the first few Tests on experience wherever possible, get comfortable and then see what Plummer and co. can do in TRC?
