All Blacks vs England 2
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@KiwiMurph surely it should be part of your routine? In any case, just ask the ref before the game to give you markers.
Just remove all doubt and have a countdown on the screens.
It's also going to be on the broadcast which is helpful for the fans.
I don't understand this aversion to using the technology.
Quote from DMac
But, unlike other sports such as basketball, there has been no provision of a shot clock to let the kickers, or those fans, know how long is left on the timer. "I’m not making any excuses, but it would help [if there was a shot clock]," McKenzie said. "I think it would be great if there was a timer on the screen and you could sort of get a bit of an idea. "My counting in my head, in 60sec, especially when I’m trying to focus on the kick, is not that great."im not adverse....just seems unnecessary given the ref is already there talking to them and we can hear the refs warnings
I would like to hear the view of kickers and their view. Players have set routines they go through.
I think the time wasting is taken care of with these time limits themselves - it was before the time limits were introduced that people were taking the piss.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@KiwiMurph surely it should be part of your routine? In any case, just ask the ref before the game to give you markers.
Just remove all doubt and have a countdown on the screens.
It's also going to be on the broadcast which is helpful for the fans.
I don't understand this aversion to using the technology.
Quote from DMac
But, unlike other sports such as basketball, there has been no provision of a shot clock to let the kickers, or those fans, know how long is left on the timer. "I’m not making any excuses, but it would help [if there was a shot clock]," McKenzie said. "I think it would be great if there was a timer on the screen and you could sort of get a bit of an idea. "My counting in my head, in 60sec, especially when I’m trying to focus on the kick, is not that great."im not adverse....just seems unnecessary given the ref is already there talking to them and we can hear the refs warnings
I would like to hear the view of kickers and their view. Players have set routines they go through.
I think the time wasting is taken care of with these time limits themselves - it was before the time limits were introduced that people were taking the piss.
and given currently they dont have a shot clock available so their routine cant/wont include looking at the clock
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@Bones said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs England 2:
I see similarities in Hotham’s game to both of these guys
When Hotham actually started to play well I could have sworn I was watching Perenara from a decade ago.
well both are Maori
@darylmitchell said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs England 2:
I see similarities in Hotham’s game to both of these guys
When Hotham actually started to play well I could have sworn I was watching Perenara from a decade ago.
well both are Maori
Yeah pretty sure that's it
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@KiwiMurph surely it should be part of your routine? In any case, just ask the ref before the game to give you markers.
Just remove all doubt and have a countdown on the screens.
It's also going to be on the broadcast which is helpful for the fans.
I don't understand this aversion to using the technology.
Quote from DMac
But, unlike other sports such as basketball, there has been no provision of a shot clock to let the kickers, or those fans, know how long is left on the timer. "I’m not making any excuses, but it would help [if there was a shot clock]," McKenzie said. "I think it would be great if there was a timer on the screen and you could sort of get a bit of an idea. "My counting in my head, in 60sec, especially when I’m trying to focus on the kick, is not that great."im not adverse....just seems unnecessary given the ref is already there talking to them and we can hear the refs warnings
I would like to hear the view of kickers and their view. Players have set routines they go through.
I think the time wasting is taken care of with these time limits themselves - it was before the time limits were introduced that people were taking the piss.
and given currently they dont have a shot clock available so their routine cant/wont include looking at the clock
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@KiwiMurph surely it should be part of your routine? In any case, just ask the ref before the game to give you markers.
Just remove all doubt and have a countdown on the screens.
It's also going to be on the broadcast which is helpful for the fans.
I don't understand this aversion to using the technology.
Quote from DMac
But, unlike other sports such as basketball, there has been no provision of a shot clock to let the kickers, or those fans, know how long is left on the timer. "I’m not making any excuses, but it would help [if there was a shot clock]," McKenzie said. "I think it would be great if there was a timer on the screen and you could sort of get a bit of an idea. "My counting in my head, in 60sec, especially when I’m trying to focus on the kick, is not that great."im not adverse....just seems unnecessary given the ref is already there talking to them and we can hear the refs warnings
I would like to hear the view of kickers and their view. Players have set routines they go through.
I think the time wasting is taken care of with these time limits themselves - it was before the time limits were introduced that people were taking the piss.
and given currently they dont have a shot clock available so their routine cant/wont include looking at the clock
And I've got a quote from a kicker saying it would be helpful.
Not to mention it also helps the fans at the ground too.
Anyway we are going around in circles. Agree to disagree.
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@KiwiMurph surely it should be part of your routine? In any case, just ask the ref before the game to give you markers.
Just remove all doubt and have a countdown on the screens.
It's also going to be on the broadcast which is helpful for the fans.
I don't understand this aversion to using the technology.
Quote from DMac
But, unlike other sports such as basketball, there has been no provision of a shot clock to let the kickers, or those fans, know how long is left on the timer. "I’m not making any excuses, but it would help [if there was a shot clock]," McKenzie said. "I think it would be great if there was a timer on the screen and you could sort of get a bit of an idea. "My counting in my head, in 60sec, especially when I’m trying to focus on the kick, is not that great."im not adverse....just seems unnecessary given the ref is already there talking to them and we can hear the refs warnings
I would like to hear the view of kickers and their view. Players have set routines they go through.
I think the time wasting is taken care of with these time limits themselves - it was before the time limits were introduced that people were taking the piss.
and given currently they dont have a shot clock available so their routine cant/wont include looking at the clock
And I've got a quote from a kicker saying it would be helpful.
Not to mention it also helps the fans at the ground too.
Anyway we are going around in circles. Agree to disagree.
@KiwiMurph thats why i said "to each their own" several posts ago
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definitely not in favour of showing the shot clock, wasting time on purpose is annoying and if you fuck up sometimes then so be it, serves you right. I think there are shot clocks in European club matches, I don't like it. I'd be interested to see the kicking stats of those occasions when people are killing time as it seems to disrupt their routine and I'd be surprised if their stats are as high as normal.
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I'd prefer it if there wasn't a visible shot clock. The kickers have plenty of time
The reason you need a clock is because you are time wasting. You are either trying to prevent a kickoff, use up time during a card, or burn time at the end of the match because you are in front. All negative time wasting
Kiwis get all hot about time wasting in other areas of the game but not this one
Also, fans should criticise their player when they fuck up not the officials. It shouldn't be their job to hand hold you during time wasting. At most a ref should say "Hurry up"
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@KiwiMurph surely it should be part of your routine? In any case, just ask the ref before the game to give you markers.
Just remove all doubt and have a countdown on the screens.
It's also going to be on the broadcast which is helpful for the fans.
I don't understand this aversion to using the technology.
Quote from DMac
But, unlike other sports such as basketball, there has been no provision of a shot clock to let the kickers, or those fans, know how long is left on the timer. "I’m not making any excuses, but it would help [if there was a shot clock]," McKenzie said. "I think it would be great if there was a timer on the screen and you could sort of get a bit of an idea. "My counting in my head, in 60sec, especially when I’m trying to focus on the kick, is not that great."im not adverse....just seems unnecessary given the ref is already there talking to them and we can hear the refs warnings
I would like to hear the view of kickers and their view. Players have set routines they go through.
I think the time wasting is taken care of with these time limits themselves - it was before the time limits were introduced that people were taking the piss.
and given currently they dont have a shot clock available so their routine cant/wont include looking at the clock
And I've got a quote from a kicker saying it would be helpful.
Not to mention it also helps the fans at the ground too.
Anyway we are going around in circles. Agree to disagree.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@KiwiMurph surely it should be part of your routine? In any case, just ask the ref before the game to give you markers.
Just remove all doubt and have a countdown on the screens.
It's also going to be on the broadcast which is helpful for the fans.
I don't understand this aversion to using the technology.
Quote from DMac
But, unlike other sports such as basketball, there has been no provision of a shot clock to let the kickers, or those fans, know how long is left on the timer. "I’m not making any excuses, but it would help [if there was a shot clock]," McKenzie said. "I think it would be great if there was a timer on the screen and you could sort of get a bit of an idea. "My counting in my head, in 60sec, especially when I’m trying to focus on the kick, is not that great."im not adverse....just seems unnecessary given the ref is already there talking to them and we can hear the refs warnings
I would like to hear the view of kickers and their view. Players have set routines they go through.
I think the time wasting is taken care of with these time limits themselves - it was before the time limits were introduced that people were taking the piss.
and given currently they dont have a shot clock available so their routine cant/wont include looking at the clock
And I've got a quote from a kicker saying it would be helpful.
Not to mention it also helps the fans at the ground too.
Anyway we are going around in circles. Agree to disagree.
I'm interested how they build it into their routine at training...
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@KiwiMurph because the "technology" is already there... the ref. What if the ref disagrees with the shot clock?
@Bones said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@KiwiMurph because the "technology" is already there... the ref.
This was the same ref who allowed so much time for box kicks. I wouldn't be trusting his timekeeping. In SR the TMO conveys the time left to the ref, who then tells the player.
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@Daffy-Jaffy said in All Blacks vs England 2:
It seems EDG was standing up outside English TH armpit, which, strictly speaking, is not legal. But in H1 generally was on other side from ref who only saw the damage he and Taylor wrought. Was pinged at 42, although had ABs cleared from that scrum he’d have let it slide.
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@Gunner said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Gunner said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks vs England 2:
Crusaders coaching teams picks crusaders player for higher honors? Colour me shocked.
Funaki had a far better season than he did, almost pushing out Christie.
Funaki was great for most of the season, however he stunk the joint up in the quarter or semi final (can’t recall which now), which may have impacted his chances.
Hotham may as well have not even been on the field for the finals.
Unsure what you’re getting at.
I mean, no shit Sherlock, Hotham didn’t play finals.
Haven’t we always been led to believe that finals form, or lack of, matters?
Just putting it out there that a shit game at the wrong time of the year may have counted against Funaki…
Yep, completely understand that. Doesn't really make a lot of sense when you're selecting a guy who must have been a big reason why his team didn't even make said finals, over a guy who was very much a reason his team did.
@Bones said in All Blacks vs England 2:
Yep, completely understand that. Doesn't really make a lot of sense when you're selecting a guy who must have been a big reason why his team didn't even make said finals, over a guy who was very much a reason his team did
Very fair point. Funaki and Ratima were top drawer in the SR season and I'd assumed Funaki was the one who missed out. Ditto Plummer.
Maybe we'll find out what Funaki needs to work on at the next presser.
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@Bones said in All Blacks vs England 2:
Yep, completely understand that. Doesn't really make a lot of sense when you're selecting a guy who must have been a big reason why his team didn't even make said finals, over a guy who was very much a reason his team did
Very fair point. Funaki and Ratima were top drawer in the SR season and I'd assumed Funaki was the one who missed out. Ditto Plummer.
Maybe we'll find out what Funaki needs to work on at the next presser.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks vs England 2:
“Razors hairline” could be the “Foster is Fat” of 2024……
As a Stephen King fan, Can I suggest Robertson's moniker be "The Walking Together Dude"...
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@Victor-Meldrew yeah, I would've hoped they'd gamble on seeing what Plummer can do instead of Havili. He's certainly a lot better in contact.
@Bones said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Victor-Meldrew yeah, I would've hoped they'd gamble on seeing what Plummer can do instead of Havili. He's certainly a lot better in contact.
Maybe the plan is to get thru the first few Tests on experience wherever possible, get comfortable and then see what Plummer and co. can do in TRC?
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@chchfanatic said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Kirwan no worries mate I’ll pass it onto him today when I see him.
If he shaved his head would you still comment on his hair. Who gives a fuck that he’s trying to save the last bit of hair he has.I just think it's funny a guy with the nickname "Razor" has a comb over. Most guys these days (like me) just shave their head and get on with life.
But back to rugby. Robertson is the All Black coach now, and when 50/50 calls all seem to be going to journeymen Crusaders it's worthy of comment (Bell, Blackadder, Hotham, Havilli). ABs are for players ready now, not project players or improving the depth/development of the struggling Crusaders.
@Kirwan said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@chchfanatic said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Kirwan no worries mate I’ll pass it onto him today when I see him.
If he shaved his head would you still comment on his hair. Who gives a fuck that he’s trying to save the last bit of hair he has.I just think it's funny a guy with the nickname "Razor" has a comb over. Most guys these days (like me) just shave their head and get on with life.
Kirwan, I say this with full respect, taking into account your many years of work to keep the Fern ticking over and generally just the right amount of robust debate across rugby topics, but . . . your "Crafty Comb" nickname for Robertson is probably one of the lamest things I've seen in a long time.
And this is from someone who has had shares in a lot of slow horses, so I know lame when I see it.
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@Dan54 try and explain a new move or defensive structure to the average club 4th div player without pictures, yelling, and going over it again and again slowly.
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Bones must be a few levels below 4th division but he will be very pleased you have elevated him this high!
@DaGrubster bro my most recent game was against Toulon. Hashtag superstar over here
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs England 2:
The 2024 Crusaders pack!??Consistently?!?
Jeepers. The Cantabs made less fuss about how good their team was after seven years. You guys are going to be unbearable if you win any more championships.
We get that your new coach is very good, and has a better game plan than the others. That doesn't suddenly mean all your players are superstars.
@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs England 2:
The 2024 Crusaders pack!??Consistently?!?
Jeepers. The Cantabs made less fuss about how good their team was after seven years. You guys are going to be unbearable if you win any more championships.
We get that your new coach is very good, and has a better game plan than the others. That doesn't suddenly mean all your players are superstars.
Jesus, you clearly never met a Cantab in 1998.
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Genuinely surprised at the aversion to a visible shot clock. If we are worried about time wasting then just shorten the time on the clock. Why wouldn’t we want a single source of truth, visible to all parties? I used to kick, and having a ref in my ear telling me “20 seconds” then “10 seconds” sounds bloody annoying.
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Genuinely surprised at the aversion to a visible shot clock. If we are worried about time wasting then just shorten the time on the clock. Why wouldn’t we want a single source of truth, visible to all parties? I used to kick, and having a ref in my ear telling me “20 seconds” then “10 seconds” sounds bloody annoying.
@voodoo said in All Blacks vs England 2:
Genuinely surprised at the aversion to a visible shot clock. If we are worried about time wasting then just shorten the time on the clock. Why wouldn’t we want a single source of truth, visible to all parties? I used to kick, and having a ref in my ear telling me “20 seconds” then “10 seconds” sounds bloody annoying.
Yeah true, seems much easier to break your concentration to turn and look at a shot clock.
I don't see any great aversion to it, it just seems very unnecessary. But I can understand the desire for it when one AB kicker fell foul of timekeeping once, in one game.
