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    brodean
    wrote on last edited by brodean
    #6029

    My narrative would have Papali'i performing better but it's simply not the case. I think he's gone backwards under Robertson with his general play. His defensive workrate isn't as high but I do think he's been the best loose forward this year at the breakdown.

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    • B brodean

      @Chris said in All Blacks 2024:

      @brodean said in All Blacks 2024:

      @Chris said in All Blacks 2024:

      @brodean said in All Blacks 2024:

      Here are some stats for the year for the loosies ( excluding ruck counts )

      Carries Per 80 Minutes
      19.39 Sititi
      16.79 Savea
      10.85 Finau
      8.09 Cane
      7.87 Blackadder
      4.67 Papali'i
      2.63 Jacobson

      Tackers Per 80 Minutes
      16.17 Cane
      15.74 Blackadder
      14.55 Sititi
      14.24 Finau
      13.68 Jacobson
      12.85 Papali'i
      11.04 Savea

      Lineouts Per 80 Minutes
      4.85 Sititi
      4.74 Jacobson
      2.42 Savea
      2.10 Blackadder
      1.36 Finau
      0.43 Cane
      0 Papali'i

      Turnovers won per 80 minutes
      1.62 Sititi
      0.88 Papali'i
      0.6 Savea
      0.52 Blackadder
      0.43 Cane
      0 Finau, Jacobson

      Total Impacts Per 80 Minutes
      tries + try assists + clean breaks + offloads + defenders beaten + turnovers won + dominant tackles
      11.31 Sititi
      6.8 Savea
      4.75 Finau
      3.15 Blackadder
      2.05 Papali'i
      1.7 Cane
      1.06 Jacobson

      Total Negative Impacts Per 80 Minutes
      turnovers conceded + missed tackles + penalties conceded + (yellow cards*2)
      4.98 Blackadder
      4.85 Sititi
      4.75 Finau
      3.83 Cane
      2.34 Papali'i
      2.27 Savea
      2.11 Jacobson

      Net Impacts Per 80 Minutes ( Total Impacts - Total Negative Impacts )
      6.46 Sititi
      4.53 Savea
      0 Finau
      -0.29 Papali'i
      -1.05 Jacobson
      -1.83 Blackadder
      -2.13 Papali'i

      Based on the stats my loose trio:

      6 Finau
      7 Savea
      8 Sititi
      21 Papali'i

      * Without consideration of rucks attended

      Did you make this up these stats ? were did they come from they look unbalanced to me by a long way.

      They're the aggregation of Rugby Pass stats.

      They look unbalanced because they don't fit your narrative.

      But they fit yours aye.
      Finau has not made that much impact no fucking way he is missing most of the time.

      This is something you made up in your head. His performances against England were underrated. His workrate was good and from the eye he hit a lot of rucks too. We won significantly more rucks against England across the 2 tests and we won significantly more rucks under 3 seconds.

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      Chris
      wrote on last edited by
      #6030

      @brodean said in All Blacks 2024:

      @Chris said in All Blacks 2024:

      @brodean said in All Blacks 2024:

      @Chris said in All Blacks 2024:

      @brodean said in All Blacks 2024:

      Here are some stats for the year for the loosies ( excluding ruck counts )

      Carries Per 80 Minutes
      19.39 Sititi
      16.79 Savea
      10.85 Finau
      8.09 Cane
      7.87 Blackadder
      4.67 Papali'i
      2.63 Jacobson

      Tackers Per 80 Minutes
      16.17 Cane
      15.74 Blackadder
      14.55 Sititi
      14.24 Finau
      13.68 Jacobson
      12.85 Papali'i
      11.04 Savea

      Lineouts Per 80 Minutes
      4.85 Sititi
      4.74 Jacobson
      2.42 Savea
      2.10 Blackadder
      1.36 Finau
      0.43 Cane
      0 Papali'i

      Turnovers won per 80 minutes
      1.62 Sititi
      0.88 Papali'i
      0.6 Savea
      0.52 Blackadder
      0.43 Cane
      0 Finau, Jacobson

      Total Impacts Per 80 Minutes
      tries + try assists + clean breaks + offloads + defenders beaten + turnovers won + dominant tackles
      11.31 Sititi
      6.8 Savea
      4.75 Finau
      3.15 Blackadder
      2.05 Papali'i
      1.7 Cane
      1.06 Jacobson

      Total Negative Impacts Per 80 Minutes
      turnovers conceded + missed tackles + penalties conceded + (yellow cards*2)
      4.98 Blackadder
      4.85 Sititi
      4.75 Finau
      3.83 Cane
      2.34 Papali'i
      2.27 Savea
      2.11 Jacobson

      Net Impacts Per 80 Minutes ( Total Impacts - Total Negative Impacts )
      6.46 Sititi
      4.53 Savea
      0 Finau
      -0.29 Papali'i
      -1.05 Jacobson
      -1.83 Blackadder
      -2.13 Papali'i

      Based on the stats my loose trio:

      6 Finau
      7 Savea
      8 Sititi
      21 Papali'i

      * Without consideration of rucks attended

      Did you make this up these stats ? were did they come from they look unbalanced to me by a long way.

      They're the aggregation of Rugby Pass stats.

      They look unbalanced because they don't fit your narrative.

      But they fit yours aye.
      Finau has not made that much impact no fucking way he is missing most of the time.

      This is something you made up in your head. His performances against England were underrated. His workrate was good and from the eye he hit a lot of rucks too. We won significantly more rucks against England across the 2 tests and we won significantly more rucks under 3 seconds.

      That's BS

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      • ChrisC Chris

        @brodean said in All Blacks 2024:

        @Chris said in All Blacks 2024:

        @brodean said in All Blacks 2024:

        @Chris said in All Blacks 2024:

        @brodean said in All Blacks 2024:

        Here are some stats for the year for the loosies ( excluding ruck counts )

        Carries Per 80 Minutes
        19.39 Sititi
        16.79 Savea
        10.85 Finau
        8.09 Cane
        7.87 Blackadder
        4.67 Papali'i
        2.63 Jacobson

        Tackers Per 80 Minutes
        16.17 Cane
        15.74 Blackadder
        14.55 Sititi
        14.24 Finau
        13.68 Jacobson
        12.85 Papali'i
        11.04 Savea

        Lineouts Per 80 Minutes
        4.85 Sititi
        4.74 Jacobson
        2.42 Savea
        2.10 Blackadder
        1.36 Finau
        0.43 Cane
        0 Papali'i

        Turnovers won per 80 minutes
        1.62 Sititi
        0.88 Papali'i
        0.6 Savea
        0.52 Blackadder
        0.43 Cane
        0 Finau, Jacobson

        Total Impacts Per 80 Minutes
        tries + try assists + clean breaks + offloads + defenders beaten + turnovers won + dominant tackles
        11.31 Sititi
        6.8 Savea
        4.75 Finau
        3.15 Blackadder
        2.05 Papali'i
        1.7 Cane
        1.06 Jacobson

        Total Negative Impacts Per 80 Minutes
        turnovers conceded + missed tackles + penalties conceded + (yellow cards*2)
        4.98 Blackadder
        4.85 Sititi
        4.75 Finau
        3.83 Cane
        2.34 Papali'i
        2.27 Savea
        2.11 Jacobson

        Net Impacts Per 80 Minutes ( Total Impacts - Total Negative Impacts )
        6.46 Sititi
        4.53 Savea
        0 Finau
        -0.29 Papali'i
        -1.05 Jacobson
        -1.83 Blackadder
        -2.13 Papali'i

        Based on the stats my loose trio:

        6 Finau
        7 Savea
        8 Sititi
        21 Papali'i

        * Without consideration of rucks attended

        Did you make this up these stats ? were did they come from they look unbalanced to me by a long way.

        They're the aggregation of Rugby Pass stats.

        They look unbalanced because they don't fit your narrative.

        But they fit yours aye.
        Finau has not made that much impact no fucking way he is missing most of the time.

        This is something you made up in your head. His performances against England were underrated. His workrate was good and from the eye he hit a lot of rucks too. We won significantly more rucks against England across the 2 tests and we won significantly more rucks under 3 seconds.

        That's BS

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        brodean
        wrote on last edited by brodean
        #6031

        @Chris said in All Blacks 2024:

        @brodean said in All Blacks 2024:

        @Chris said in All Blacks 2024:

        @brodean said in All Blacks 2024:

        @Chris said in All Blacks 2024:

        @brodean said in All Blacks 2024:

        Here are some stats for the year for the loosies ( excluding ruck counts )

        Carries Per 80 Minutes
        19.39 Sititi
        16.79 Savea
        10.85 Finau
        8.09 Cane
        7.87 Blackadder
        4.67 Papali'i
        2.63 Jacobson

        Tackers Per 80 Minutes
        16.17 Cane
        15.74 Blackadder
        14.55 Sititi
        14.24 Finau
        13.68 Jacobson
        12.85 Papali'i
        11.04 Savea

        Lineouts Per 80 Minutes
        4.85 Sititi
        4.74 Jacobson
        2.42 Savea
        2.10 Blackadder
        1.36 Finau
        0.43 Cane
        0 Papali'i

        Turnovers won per 80 minutes
        1.62 Sititi
        0.88 Papali'i
        0.6 Savea
        0.52 Blackadder
        0.43 Cane
        0 Finau, Jacobson

        Total Impacts Per 80 Minutes
        tries + try assists + clean breaks + offloads + defenders beaten + turnovers won + dominant tackles
        11.31 Sititi
        6.8 Savea
        4.75 Finau
        3.15 Blackadder
        2.05 Papali'i
        1.7 Cane
        1.06 Jacobson

        Total Negative Impacts Per 80 Minutes
        turnovers conceded + missed tackles + penalties conceded + (yellow cards*2)
        4.98 Blackadder
        4.85 Sititi
        4.75 Finau
        3.83 Cane
        2.34 Papali'i
        2.27 Savea
        2.11 Jacobson

        Net Impacts Per 80 Minutes ( Total Impacts - Total Negative Impacts )
        6.46 Sititi
        4.53 Savea
        0 Finau
        -0.29 Papali'i
        -1.05 Jacobson
        -1.83 Blackadder
        -2.13 Papali'i

        Based on the stats my loose trio:

        6 Finau
        7 Savea
        8 Sititi
        21 Papali'i

        * Without consideration of rucks attended

        Did you make this up these stats ? were did they come from they look unbalanced to me by a long way.

        They're the aggregation of Rugby Pass stats.

        They look unbalanced because they don't fit your narrative.

        But they fit yours aye.
        Finau has not made that much impact no fucking way he is missing most of the time.

        This is something you made up in your head. His performances against England were underrated. His workrate was good and from the eye he hit a lot of rucks too. We won significantly more rucks against England across the 2 tests and we won significantly more rucks under 3 seconds.

        That's BS

        Go back and watch him in the games. If Scott Barrett had actually made calls to him in the lineouts instead of Savea overall his contribution would still see him being selected.

        The fiddling at 6 has been poor.

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        • B brodean

          @Chris said in All Blacks 2024:

          @brodean said in All Blacks 2024:

          @Chris said in All Blacks 2024:

          @brodean said in All Blacks 2024:

          @Chris said in All Blacks 2024:

          @brodean said in All Blacks 2024:

          Here are some stats for the year for the loosies ( excluding ruck counts )

          Carries Per 80 Minutes
          19.39 Sititi
          16.79 Savea
          10.85 Finau
          8.09 Cane
          7.87 Blackadder
          4.67 Papali'i
          2.63 Jacobson

          Tackers Per 80 Minutes
          16.17 Cane
          15.74 Blackadder
          14.55 Sititi
          14.24 Finau
          13.68 Jacobson
          12.85 Papali'i
          11.04 Savea

          Lineouts Per 80 Minutes
          4.85 Sititi
          4.74 Jacobson
          2.42 Savea
          2.10 Blackadder
          1.36 Finau
          0.43 Cane
          0 Papali'i

          Turnovers won per 80 minutes
          1.62 Sititi
          0.88 Papali'i
          0.6 Savea
          0.52 Blackadder
          0.43 Cane
          0 Finau, Jacobson

          Total Impacts Per 80 Minutes
          tries + try assists + clean breaks + offloads + defenders beaten + turnovers won + dominant tackles
          11.31 Sititi
          6.8 Savea
          4.75 Finau
          3.15 Blackadder
          2.05 Papali'i
          1.7 Cane
          1.06 Jacobson

          Total Negative Impacts Per 80 Minutes
          turnovers conceded + missed tackles + penalties conceded + (yellow cards*2)
          4.98 Blackadder
          4.85 Sititi
          4.75 Finau
          3.83 Cane
          2.34 Papali'i
          2.27 Savea
          2.11 Jacobson

          Net Impacts Per 80 Minutes ( Total Impacts - Total Negative Impacts )
          6.46 Sititi
          4.53 Savea
          0 Finau
          -0.29 Papali'i
          -1.05 Jacobson
          -1.83 Blackadder
          -2.13 Papali'i

          Based on the stats my loose trio:

          6 Finau
          7 Savea
          8 Sititi
          21 Papali'i

          * Without consideration of rucks attended

          Did you make this up these stats ? were did they come from they look unbalanced to me by a long way.

          They're the aggregation of Rugby Pass stats.

          They look unbalanced because they don't fit your narrative.

          But they fit yours aye.
          Finau has not made that much impact no fucking way he is missing most of the time.

          This is something you made up in your head. His performances against England were underrated. His workrate was good and from the eye he hit a lot of rucks too. We won significantly more rucks against England across the 2 tests and we won significantly more rucks under 3 seconds.

          That's BS

          Go back and watch him in the games. If Scott Barrett had actually made calls to him in the lineouts instead of Savea overall his contribution would still see him being selected.

          The fiddling at 6 has been poor.

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          Chris
          wrote on last edited by
          #6032

          @brodean said in All Blacks 2024:

          @Chris said in All Blacks 2024:

          @brodean said in All Blacks 2024:

          @Chris said in All Blacks 2024:

          @brodean said in All Blacks 2024:

          @Chris said in All Blacks 2024:

          @brodean said in All Blacks 2024:

          Here are some stats for the year for the loosies ( excluding ruck counts )

          Carries Per 80 Minutes
          19.39 Sititi
          16.79 Savea
          10.85 Finau
          8.09 Cane
          7.87 Blackadder
          4.67 Papali'i
          2.63 Jacobson

          Tackers Per 80 Minutes
          16.17 Cane
          15.74 Blackadder
          14.55 Sititi
          14.24 Finau
          13.68 Jacobson
          12.85 Papali'i
          11.04 Savea

          Lineouts Per 80 Minutes
          4.85 Sititi
          4.74 Jacobson
          2.42 Savea
          2.10 Blackadder
          1.36 Finau
          0.43 Cane
          0 Papali'i

          Turnovers won per 80 minutes
          1.62 Sititi
          0.88 Papali'i
          0.6 Savea
          0.52 Blackadder
          0.43 Cane
          0 Finau, Jacobson

          Total Impacts Per 80 Minutes
          tries + try assists + clean breaks + offloads + defenders beaten + turnovers won + dominant tackles
          11.31 Sititi
          6.8 Savea
          4.75 Finau
          3.15 Blackadder
          2.05 Papali'i
          1.7 Cane
          1.06 Jacobson

          Total Negative Impacts Per 80 Minutes
          turnovers conceded + missed tackles + penalties conceded + (yellow cards*2)
          4.98 Blackadder
          4.85 Sititi
          4.75 Finau
          3.83 Cane
          2.34 Papali'i
          2.27 Savea
          2.11 Jacobson

          Net Impacts Per 80 Minutes ( Total Impacts - Total Negative Impacts )
          6.46 Sititi
          4.53 Savea
          0 Finau
          -0.29 Papali'i
          -1.05 Jacobson
          -1.83 Blackadder
          -2.13 Papali'i

          Based on the stats my loose trio:

          6 Finau
          7 Savea
          8 Sititi
          21 Papali'i

          * Without consideration of rucks attended

          Did you make this up these stats ? were did they come from they look unbalanced to me by a long way.

          They're the aggregation of Rugby Pass stats.

          They look unbalanced because they don't fit your narrative.

          But they fit yours aye.
          Finau has not made that much impact no fucking way he is missing most of the time.

          This is something you made up in your head. His performances against England were underrated. His workrate was good and from the eye he hit a lot of rucks too. We won significantly more rucks against England across the 2 tests and we won significantly more rucks under 3 seconds.

          That's BS

          Go back and watch him in the games.

          Fuck me I have more than once he was average as hell.

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            @Chris said in All Blacks 2024:

            @brodean said in All Blacks 2024:

            @Chris said in All Blacks 2024:

            @brodean said in All Blacks 2024:

            @Chris said in All Blacks 2024:

            @brodean said in All Blacks 2024:

            Here are some stats for the year for the loosies ( excluding ruck counts )

            Carries Per 80 Minutes
            19.39 Sititi
            16.79 Savea
            10.85 Finau
            8.09 Cane
            7.87 Blackadder
            4.67 Papali'i
            2.63 Jacobson

            Tackers Per 80 Minutes
            16.17 Cane
            15.74 Blackadder
            14.55 Sititi
            14.24 Finau
            13.68 Jacobson
            12.85 Papali'i
            11.04 Savea

            Lineouts Per 80 Minutes
            4.85 Sititi
            4.74 Jacobson
            2.42 Savea
            2.10 Blackadder
            1.36 Finau
            0.43 Cane
            0 Papali'i

            Turnovers won per 80 minutes
            1.62 Sititi
            0.88 Papali'i
            0.6 Savea
            0.52 Blackadder
            0.43 Cane
            0 Finau, Jacobson

            Total Impacts Per 80 Minutes
            tries + try assists + clean breaks + offloads + defenders beaten + turnovers won + dominant tackles
            11.31 Sititi
            6.8 Savea
            4.75 Finau
            3.15 Blackadder
            2.05 Papali'i
            1.7 Cane
            1.06 Jacobson

            Total Negative Impacts Per 80 Minutes
            turnovers conceded + missed tackles + penalties conceded + (yellow cards*2)
            4.98 Blackadder
            4.85 Sititi
            4.75 Finau
            3.83 Cane
            2.34 Papali'i
            2.27 Savea
            2.11 Jacobson

            Net Impacts Per 80 Minutes ( Total Impacts - Total Negative Impacts )
            6.46 Sititi
            4.53 Savea
            0 Finau
            -0.29 Papali'i
            -1.05 Jacobson
            -1.83 Blackadder
            -2.13 Papali'i

            Based on the stats my loose trio:

            6 Finau
            7 Savea
            8 Sititi
            21 Papali'i

            * Without consideration of rucks attended

            Did you make this up these stats ? were did they come from they look unbalanced to me by a long way.

            They're the aggregation of Rugby Pass stats.

            They look unbalanced because they don't fit your narrative.

            But they fit yours aye.
            Finau has not made that much impact no fucking way he is missing most of the time.

            This is something you made up in your head. His performances against England were underrated. His workrate was good and from the eye he hit a lot of rucks too. We won significantly more rucks against England across the 2 tests and we won significantly more rucks under 3 seconds.

            That's BS

            Go back and watch him in the games. If Scott Barrett had actually made calls to him in the lineouts instead of Savea overall his contribution would still see him being selected.

            The fiddling at 6 has been poor.

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            Chris
            wrote on last edited by
            #6033

            @brodean said in All Blacks 2024:

            @Chris said in All Blacks 2024:

            @brodean said in All Blacks 2024:

            @Chris said in All Blacks 2024:

            @brodean said in All Blacks 2024:

            @Chris said in All Blacks 2024:

            @brodean said in All Blacks 2024:

            Here are some stats for the year for the loosies ( excluding ruck counts )

            Carries Per 80 Minutes
            19.39 Sititi
            16.79 Savea
            10.85 Finau
            8.09 Cane
            7.87 Blackadder
            4.67 Papali'i
            2.63 Jacobson

            Tackers Per 80 Minutes
            16.17 Cane
            15.74 Blackadder
            14.55 Sititi
            14.24 Finau
            13.68 Jacobson
            12.85 Papali'i
            11.04 Savea

            Lineouts Per 80 Minutes
            4.85 Sititi
            4.74 Jacobson
            2.42 Savea
            2.10 Blackadder
            1.36 Finau
            0.43 Cane
            0 Papali'i

            Turnovers won per 80 minutes
            1.62 Sititi
            0.88 Papali'i
            0.6 Savea
            0.52 Blackadder
            0.43 Cane
            0 Finau, Jacobson

            Total Impacts Per 80 Minutes
            tries + try assists + clean breaks + offloads + defenders beaten + turnovers won + dominant tackles
            11.31 Sititi
            6.8 Savea
            4.75 Finau
            3.15 Blackadder
            2.05 Papali'i
            1.7 Cane
            1.06 Jacobson

            Total Negative Impacts Per 80 Minutes
            turnovers conceded + missed tackles + penalties conceded + (yellow cards*2)
            4.98 Blackadder
            4.85 Sititi
            4.75 Finau
            3.83 Cane
            2.34 Papali'i
            2.27 Savea
            2.11 Jacobson

            Net Impacts Per 80 Minutes ( Total Impacts - Total Negative Impacts )
            6.46 Sititi
            4.53 Savea
            0 Finau
            -0.29 Papali'i
            -1.05 Jacobson
            -1.83 Blackadder
            -2.13 Papali'i

            Based on the stats my loose trio:

            6 Finau
            7 Savea
            8 Sititi
            21 Papali'i

            * Without consideration of rucks attended

            Did you make this up these stats ? were did they come from they look unbalanced to me by a long way.

            They're the aggregation of Rugby Pass stats.

            They look unbalanced because they don't fit your narrative.

            But they fit yours aye.
            Finau has not made that much impact no fucking way he is missing most of the time.

            This is something you made up in your head. His performances against England were underrated. His workrate was good and from the eye he hit a lot of rucks too. We won significantly more rucks against England across the 2 tests and we won significantly more rucks under 3 seconds.

            That's BS

            Go back and watch him in the games. If Scott Barrett had actually made calls to him in the lineouts instead of Savea overall his contribution would still see him being selected.

            The fiddling at 6 has been poor.

            Ohh now it is Scott Barret's fault Finau was poor and got dropped. I see everyone's fault but Finau's.

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              Old Samurai Jack
              wrote on last edited by
              #6034

              FFS, the cult of anti-EB has hit new highs. Waste of time conversing with the religiously obsessed. Nutters!

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                Old Samurai Jack
                wrote on last edited by
                #6035

                It was a bit like this when Akira/Frizzel occupied the No.6 spot as well. What is it about this position?

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                  It was a bit like this when Akira/Frizzel occupied the No.6 spot as well. What is it about this position?

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                  taniwharugby
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #6036

                  @Old-Samurai-Jack all Jerome Kaino's fault, he shouldnt have gotten older and retired.

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                    brodean
                    wrote on last edited by brodean
                    #6037

                    They invest 3 full games in Blackadder to get him up to match fitness and then he gets injured. He made a lot of missed tackles and gave away a lot of penalties.

                    He's a liability.

                    If you don't want Finau put Vaa'i at 6. Vaa'i is just as athletic as the last two Bok blindsides.

                    Blackadder is a broken donkey like Cane was for Foster. There is so much more talent in NZ rugby and Foster then Robertson pick cart horses who are too slow and always broken.

                    It's like those two coaches want to bang their heads against walls and lose.

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                      They invest 3 full games in Blackadder to get him up to match fitness and then he gets injured. He made a lot of missed tackles and gave away a lot of penalties.

                      He's a liability.

                      If you don't want Finau put Vaa'i at 6. Vaa'i is just as athletic as the last two Bok blindsides.

                      Blackadder is a broken donkey like Cane was for Foster. There is so much more talent in NZ rugby and Foster then Robertson pick cart horses who are too slow and always broken.

                      It's like those two coaches want to bang their heads against walls and lose.

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                      ARHS
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #6038

                      @brodean said in All Blacks 2024:

                      like those two coaches want to bang their heads against walls and lose

                      But they picked Wallis, and not Iose. Maybe he should be in the picture too. Akira is signed overseas.
                      I found the (non) usage of Finau by the coaches rather strange. Standing on the sideline positioned for the contestable kicks that never came, and seemingly not being called by Barrett in the lineouts, when EB regularly is when playing 6.

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                      • O Old Samurai Jack

                        It was a bit like this when Akira/Frizzel occupied the No.6 spot as well. What is it about this position?

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                        @Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks 2024:

                        It was a bit like this when Akira/Frizzel occupied the No.6 spot as well. What is it about this position?

                        It is a bit odd how 12 has had a comparative free ride considering none of SBW, Crotty, J Barrett etc have measured up to Nonus legacy…..

                        I started typing this and then remembered David Havili who is basically a less injury prone version of Ethan Blackadder for the backs.

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                          https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-union/the-all-blacks-100-years-of-attitude-324342.html

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                            @brodean said in All Blacks 2024:

                            @Chris said in All Blacks 2024:

                            @brodean said in All Blacks 2024:

                            Here are some stats for the year for the loosies ( excluding ruck counts )

                            Carries Per 80 Minutes
                            19.39 Sititi
                            16.79 Savea
                            10.85 Finau
                            8.09 Cane
                            7.87 Blackadder
                            4.67 Papali'i
                            2.63 Jacobson

                            Tackers Per 80 Minutes
                            16.17 Cane
                            15.74 Blackadder
                            14.55 Sititi
                            14.24 Finau
                            13.68 Jacobson
                            12.85 Papali'i
                            11.04 Savea

                            Lineouts Per 80 Minutes
                            4.85 Sititi
                            4.74 Jacobson
                            2.42 Savea
                            2.10 Blackadder
                            1.36 Finau
                            0.43 Cane
                            0 Papali'i

                            Turnovers won per 80 minutes
                            1.62 Sititi
                            0.88 Papali'i
                            0.6 Savea
                            0.52 Blackadder
                            0.43 Cane
                            0 Finau, Jacobson

                            Total Impacts Per 80 Minutes
                            tries + try assists + clean breaks + offloads + defenders beaten + turnovers won + dominant tackles
                            11.31 Sititi
                            6.8 Savea
                            4.75 Finau
                            3.15 Blackadder
                            2.05 Papali'i
                            1.7 Cane
                            1.06 Jacobson

                            Total Negative Impacts Per 80 Minutes
                            turnovers conceded + missed tackles + penalties conceded + (yellow cards*2)
                            4.98 Blackadder
                            4.85 Sititi
                            4.75 Finau
                            3.83 Cane
                            2.34 Papali'i
                            2.27 Savea
                            2.11 Jacobson

                            Net Impacts Per 80 Minutes ( Total Impacts - Total Negative Impacts )
                            6.46 Sititi
                            4.53 Savea
                            0 Finau
                            -0.29 Papali'i
                            -1.05 Jacobson
                            -1.83 Blackadder
                            -2.13 Papali'i

                            Based on the stats my loose trio:

                            6 Finau
                            7 Savea
                            8 Sititi
                            21 Papali'i

                            * Without consideration of rucks attended

                            Did you make this up these stats ? were did they come from they look unbalanced to me by a long way.

                            They're the aggregation of Rugby Pass stats.

                            They look unbalanced because they don't fit your narrative.

                            But they fit yours aye.
                            Finau has not made that much impact no fucking way he is missing most of the time.
                            Stats are not the be all and end all of what goes on the field its a interpretation of what some one sees.
                            In my job stats do not always tell you a story for selection it is down to circumstances of the game quality of possession, amount of possession how others have performed around you to impact a game.
                            It is not the bible.

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                            @Chris said in All Blacks 2024:

                            @brodean said in All Blacks 2024:

                            @Chris said in All Blacks 2024:

                            @brodean said in All Blacks 2024:

                            Here are some stats for the year for the loosies ( excluding ruck counts )

                            Carries Per 80 Minutes
                            19.39 Sititi
                            16.79 Savea
                            10.85 Finau
                            8.09 Cane
                            7.87 Blackadder
                            4.67 Papali'i
                            2.63 Jacobson

                            Tackers Per 80 Minutes
                            16.17 Cane
                            15.74 Blackadder
                            14.55 Sititi
                            14.24 Finau
                            13.68 Jacobson
                            12.85 Papali'i
                            11.04 Savea

                            Lineouts Per 80 Minutes
                            4.85 Sititi
                            4.74 Jacobson
                            2.42 Savea
                            2.10 Blackadder
                            1.36 Finau
                            0.43 Cane
                            0 Papali'i

                            Turnovers won per 80 minutes
                            1.62 Sititi
                            0.88 Papali'i
                            0.6 Savea
                            0.52 Blackadder
                            0.43 Cane
                            0 Finau, Jacobson

                            Total Impacts Per 80 Minutes
                            tries + try assists + clean breaks + offloads + defenders beaten + turnovers won + dominant tackles
                            11.31 Sititi
                            6.8 Savea
                            4.75 Finau
                            3.15 Blackadder
                            2.05 Papali'i
                            1.7 Cane
                            1.06 Jacobson

                            Total Negative Impacts Per 80 Minutes
                            turnovers conceded + missed tackles + penalties conceded + (yellow cards*2)
                            4.98 Blackadder
                            4.85 Sititi
                            4.75 Finau
                            3.83 Cane
                            2.34 Papali'i
                            2.27 Savea
                            2.11 Jacobson

                            Net Impacts Per 80 Minutes ( Total Impacts - Total Negative Impacts )
                            6.46 Sititi
                            4.53 Savea
                            0 Finau
                            -0.29 Papali'i
                            -1.05 Jacobson
                            -1.83 Blackadder
                            -2.13 Papali'i

                            Based on the stats my loose trio:

                            6 Finau
                            7 Savea
                            8 Sititi
                            21 Papali'i

                            * Without consideration of rucks attended

                            Did you make this up these stats ? were did they come from they look unbalanced to me by a long way.

                            They're the aggregation of Rugby Pass stats.

                            They look unbalanced because they don't fit your narrative.

                            But they fit yours aye.
                            Finau has not made that much impact no fucking way he is missing most of the time.
                            Stats are not the be all and end all of what goes on the field its a interpretation of what some one sees.
                            In my job stats do not always tell you a story for selection it is down to circumstances of the game quality of possession, amount of possession how others have performed around you to impact a game.
                            It is not the bible.

                            Finau is the new suitcase?

                            😃

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                                  I’m pretty neutral on Blackadder , don’t see his name as a terrible selection if named in a. squad but at the same time not sure where he best fits in either and don’t see him as the long term solution at 6 .

                                  I tend to agree more with the criticism that the overall selection of the loosies is out of balance more so than piling on the individuals

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                                    Here are some stats for the year for the loosies ( excluding ruck counts )

                                    Carries Per 80 Minutes
                                    19.39 Sititi
                                    16.79 Savea
                                    10.85 Finau
                                    8.09 Cane
                                    7.87 Blackadder
                                    4.67 Papali'i
                                    2.63 Jacobson

                                    Tackers Per 80 Minutes
                                    16.17 Cane
                                    15.74 Blackadder
                                    14.55 Sititi
                                    14.24 Finau
                                    13.68 Jacobson
                                    12.85 Papali'i
                                    11.04 Savea

                                    Lineouts Per 80 Minutes
                                    4.85 Sititi
                                    4.74 Jacobson
                                    2.42 Savea
                                    2.10 Blackadder
                                    1.36 Finau
                                    0.43 Cane
                                    0 Papali'i

                                    Turnovers won per 80 minutes
                                    1.62 Sititi
                                    0.88 Papali'i
                                    0.6 Savea
                                    0.52 Blackadder
                                    0.43 Cane
                                    0 Finau, Jacobson

                                    Total Impacts Per 80 Minutes
                                    tries + try assists + clean breaks + offloads + defenders beaten + turnovers won + dominant tackles
                                    11.31 Sititi
                                    6.8 Savea
                                    4.75 Finau
                                    3.15 Blackadder
                                    2.05 Papali'i
                                    1.7 Cane
                                    1.06 Jacobson

                                    Total Negative Impacts Per 80 Minutes
                                    turnovers conceded + missed tackles + penalties conceded + (yellow cards*2)
                                    4.98 Blackadder
                                    4.85 Sititi
                                    4.75 Finau
                                    3.83 Cane
                                    2.34 Papali'i
                                    2.27 Savea
                                    2.11 Jacobson

                                    Net Impacts Per 80 Minutes ( Total Impacts - Total Negative Impacts )
                                    6.46 Sititi
                                    4.53 Savea
                                    0 Finau
                                    -0.29 Papali'i
                                    -1.05 Jacobson
                                    -1.83 Blackadder
                                    -2.13 Cane

                                    Based on those stats my loose trio:

                                    6 Finau
                                    7 Savea
                                    8 Sititi
                                    21 Papali'i

                                    * Without consideration of rucks attended

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                                    @brodean Looks like you put a bit of work into your model, but I'm pretty sceptical about its predictive value.

                                    For example - according to your model - Sam Cane has been our worst loosie. But, according to Duluth's MotM polls (which admittedly have their own problems) collating the opinions of Ferners on who played best - Sam Cane was one of our best players vs SA and well ahead of Ardie in both games - marginally behind Blackadder and Sititi in each.

                                    An immediate problem with your model is that it only counts dominant tackles, but penalises all missed tackles.

                                    Which basically says only dominant tackles are useful, but all missed tackles are harmful.

                                    This is clearly not true.

                                    To play well you should only attempt tackles on small inside backs when you've clearly got them lined up to be smashed? 🙂

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                                      Word is that Fletcher Newell is out for Bledisloe One.

                                      Big chance for Tosi

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                                        Word is that Fletcher Newell is out for Bledisloe One.

                                        Big chance for Tosi

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                                        @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024:

                                        Word is that Fletcher Newell is out for Bledisloe One.

                                        Big chance for Tosi

                                        Yep Bower staying with the squad.
                                        Newell has a calf strain.

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                                          Word is that Fletcher Newell is out for Bledisloe One.

                                          Big chance for Tosi

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                                          @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024:

                                          Word is that Fletcher Newell is out for Bledisloe One.

                                          Big chance for Tosi

                                          Hopefully. Newell is like EDG in that he adds little outside of scrums., and it's not what you want from your bench. Having some ball-carriers will help the attack.

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