All Blacks 2024
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@Landers92 said in All Blacks 2024:
@darylmitchell said in All Blacks 2024:
@Landers92 yes, for Canterbury he has lots, and at the end of games for Crusaders he's finished there.
Razor in his Crusaders days said he had potential to be a great 12.
I don't rate him that highly.. but he's got a point of difference due to his physical dimensions, similar to a young Jordie - he's filled out a bit more now... also massive boot on the kid - and very long levers providing good offloading platform from 12.
It's not like he's not going to play but he's a good squad pick since he covers 11-15.
You’re drunk. He doesn’t play 12. He predominantly plays winger because he has never been able to nail down the 15 jersey, he’s even been kicked to the wing for Canterbury this year. Interested to hear your take on that one… You’re only kidding yourself by trying to justify him being pulled into the squad when there are multiple better players out there than him mate. End of.
He's only there for squad cover, honestly who gives a flying fuck, I've saved my energy for lamenting the shit selections that Razor is making with his actual 23 and woeful bench management. Fiyaki is simply there to hold tackle bags, this is meaningless in the grand scheme. I'm far more concerned about the direction of this team's attack and defensive structures under the underqualified Super Rugby coaches Holland and Ellison.
@darylmitchell said in All Blacks 2024:
@Landers92 said in All Blacks 2024:
@darylmitchell said in All Blacks 2024:
@Landers92 yes, for Canterbury he has lots, and at the end of games for Crusaders he's finished there.
Razor in his Crusaders days said he had potential to be a great 12.
I don't rate him that highly.. but he's got a point of difference due to his physical dimensions, similar to a young Jordie - he's filled out a bit more now... also massive boot on the kid - and very long levers providing good offloading platform from 12.
It's not like he's not going to play but he's a good squad pick since he covers 11-15.
You’re drunk. He doesn’t play 12. He predominantly plays winger because he has never been able to nail down the 15 jersey, he’s even been kicked to the wing for Canterbury this year. Interested to hear your take on that one… You’re only kidding yourself by trying to justify him being pulled into the squad when there are multiple better players out there than him mate. End of.
He's only there for squad cover, honestly who gives a flying fuck, I've saved my energy for lamenting the shit selections that Razor is making with his actual 23 and woeful bench management. Fiyaki is simply there to hold tackle bags, this is meaningless in the grand scheme. I'm far more concerned about the direction of this team's attack and defensive structures under the underqualified Super Rugby coaches Holland and Ellison.
Lol you’ve lost it. Stick to the topic. Like Bones and antipodean are implying, the next thing we know is he will be next in line after an injury and gets an undeserved cap. Truth is, he shouldn’t be there but is because of who the coaching group is. That’s the last I’ll say on that haha.
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From a grumpy old rugby fan comes this contribution:
The ADHD Blacks
Is Ritalin the best prescription for the compulsively hyperactive, ritually self-destructing 2024 All Blacks?
Clearly, a pattern is emerging. They spend days before each test in media interviews regurgitating vacuous self-help management nostrums about ‘walking toward the pressure’ and ‘embracing the opportunity’ - only to set their dials to full-throttle for 60 minutes on-field before running out of gas.
Perhaps we can put it down to generational change - a break-dancing, surf-riding, Gen-X guru of self-discovery indulging a bunch of over-pampered, over-stimulated, over-praised Gen-Z whizz-kids with a complete deficit of patience, grit or an ability to think on their designer-booted feet.
To me, this looks like attention-deficit, hyperactivity-disorder on the rugby field. It works in flashes as the adrenaline kicks in among the players, eager to impress teacher and add to the highlight reels. Then when the buttons they are pushing on their virtual X-Boxes no longer respond they cave into fits of ill-discipline. “I’m bored now.”
It’s hard to see any grown-up, hard-nosed thinking going on in the AB circles. Perhaps it’s another consequence of what happens when you sell out your culture to US private equity who are all about ‘brand value’ over substance.
Of course, there are the real, practical problems facing the squad - the vacuum left by the departure or retirement of the likes of Whitelock, Retallick, Aaron Smith and Mo’unga, the forced reliance on old warriors past their use-by dates, the absence of impact players off the bench, questions over Scott Barrett’s on-field leadership, questions about poor conditioning and late game fades.
But beyond all that is a suspicion that apart from motivational New Age nostrums about self-expression, there really is little going on below Razor’s sun-bleached locks. If there were, why is his team throwing the same tantrums in every test? It is becoming so predictable - his charges race out of the blocks like men possessed, build a handy lead and then blow it in a flurry of low-percentage miracle passes, Hail Mary high-balls to nowhere and brain-dead ill-discipline.
Are boots applied to backsides anymore, or are the grieving miscreants ‘counselled’ and denied their PlayStations for a day?
Nurse?
Don't just blame the shop floor. Blame the Directors.
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The anti Blues forwards bias, and the pro anything Crusader bias, is getting a bit comical now. I really hoped a professional organisation would be above that, but obviously these guys aren't and it's hurting the ABs big time.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
What are the second half goals for these coaches? What's happening at halftime in the sheds?
This much average in the 2nd half is on the coaches and leaders.
Did they pick the wrong captain? Barrett is anonymous and looks like he needs a rest.
Our set piece generally falling apart late in the game is a scandal, but they cant pick their third hooker because he’s almost literally got his learn-to-throw stickers on his back window.
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2024:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
What are the second half goals for these coaches? What's happening at halftime in the sheds?
This much average in the 2nd half is on the coaches and leaders.
Did they pick the wrong captain? Barrett is anonymous and looks like he needs a rest.
Our set piece generally falling apart late in the game is a scandal, but they cant pick their third hooker because he’s almost literally got his learn-to-throw stickers on his back window.
Riccitelli would have at least been an option.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Some posters seem to forget we played with 13 men at a key part of the game.
Don't think anyone's forgotten the poor discipline at key parts of the game we've seen creeping back in.
I seem to recall it was a feature of Foster's teams as well.
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Some posters seem to forget we played with 13 men at a key part of the game.
Don't think anyone's forgotten the poor discipline at key parts of the game we've seen creeping back in.
I seem to recall it was a feature of Foster's teams as well.
Which, considering we've gone backwards, kinda proves the point that Robertson (a) isn't the coaching Jesus he was hyped up to be or (b) both are equally good coaches and there's deeper problems.
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@gt12 said in All Blacks 2024:
Barrett is anonymous and looks like he needs a rest.
Would be pretty gobsmacking if a guy who's hardly played needs a rest. But I wouldn't be surprised....trust is pretty low with this coaching group.
Anyway, thank fuck we won! Bledisloe!
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2024:
Barrett is anonymous and looks like he needs a rest.
Would be pretty gobsmacking if a guy who's hardly played needs a rest. But I wouldn't be surprised....trust is pretty low with this coaching group.
Anyway, thank fuck we won! Bledisloe!
Back injury may have had significant impact on conditioning.
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@gt12 said in All Blacks 2024:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
What are the second half goals for these coaches? What's happening at halftime in the sheds?
This much average in the 2nd half is on the coaches and leaders.
Did they pick the wrong captain? Barrett is anonymous and looks like he needs a rest.
Our set piece generally falling apart late in the game is a scandal, but they cant pick their third hooker because he’s almost literally got his learn-to-throw stickers on his back window.
Riccitelli would have at least been an option.
@pakman said in All Blacks 2024:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2024:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
What are the second half goals for these coaches? What's happening at halftime in the sheds?
This much average in the 2nd half is on the coaches and leaders.
Did they pick the wrong captain? Barrett is anonymous and looks like he needs a rest.
Our set piece generally falling apart late in the game is a scandal, but they cant pick their third hooker because he’s almost literally got his learn-to-throw stickers on his back window.
Ricatelli would have at least been an option.
We've had this discussion here already, but yeah, given that they were promoting one from the ABXV back to the main squad, it was surprising that they went with a project, rather than promoting another one of the ABXV 2023 hookers (e.g., Riccitelli or Thompson).
However, you have to think it is Ryan who has pushed Bell this far - he was called in on standby for the WC squad last year based on even less, and since then there is not much evidence that he is ready.
But, since he is there, there isn't much reason for him not to be selected ahead of Aumua, who has been terrible.
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2024:
Going to be a long few years with these poor selections.
I want these guys to be successful, but it is hard to understand what the thinking is - this latest selection is really a bad look towards the growing discussion that there is a Crusaders bias.
Given that they aren't retards, they must know that, and generally think Fihaki is next off the boat, which makes the selection really fucking strange (or inspired, let's hope). He can't hold the FB position in a pretty average Canterbury team and couldn't hold it in a very average Crusaders team. It is hard to argue he's a better winger than anyone currently in the team or Narawa or others and the current gap would actually be at 2nd five.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Some posters seem to forget we played with 13 men at a key part of the game.
Don't think anyone's forgotten the poor discipline at key parts of the game we've seen creeping back in.
I seem to recall it was a feature of Foster's teams as well.
Which, considering we've gone backwards, kinda proves the point that Robertson (a) isn't the coaching Jesus he was hyped up to be or (b) both are equally good coaches and there's deeper problems.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Some posters seem to forget we played with 13 men at a key part of the game.
Don't think anyone's forgotten the poor discipline at key parts of the game we've seen creeping back in.
I seem to recall it was a feature of Foster's teams as well.
Which, considering we've gone backwards, kinda proves the point that Robertson (a) isn't the coaching Jesus he was hyped up to be or (b) both are equally good coaches and there's deeper problems.
No, you have created this fake past where people think he is a superlative coach, when in fact we thought he would be better than Foster. who really didn't have a clearly impresive and dominant coaching record of his own. Given the quality of teams he played against and the players who have retired or emigrated, you haven't given any substantiation we have gone backwards. Or perhaps you don't remember the early Foster years?
As to deeper problems, yes, they lost some great players. And Super isn't proving to be a great testbed for test-quality players.
There could also be a bias towards Crusaders and against the Blues. But apart from Sotutu and possibly Ioane, I'm not too worried about this.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Some posters seem to forget we played with 13 men at a key part of the game.
Don't think anyone's forgotten the poor discipline at key parts of the game we've seen creeping back in.
I seem to recall it was a feature of Foster's teams as well.
Which, considering we've gone backwards, kinda proves the point that Robertson (a) isn't the coaching Jesus he was hyped up to be or (b) both are equally good coaches and there's deeper problems.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Some posters seem to forget we played with 13 men at a key part of the game.
Don't think anyone's forgotten the poor discipline at key parts of the game we've seen creeping back in.
I seem to recall it was a feature of Foster's teams as well.
Which, considering we've gone backwards, kinda proves the point that Robertson (a) isn't the coaching Jesus he was hyped up to be or (b) both are equally good coaches and there's deeper problems.
You've hated Razor since day one and didn't even want him as coach. You're comparing 6 tests to 4 years of substandard, mediocre horse manure. I'm disheartened as any one else about the current results and honestly expected more from this side this year but give me a break. You want Razor to fail to prove your narrative.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Some posters seem to forget we played with 13 men at a key part of the game.
Don't think anyone's forgotten the poor discipline at key parts of the game we've seen creeping back in.
I seem to recall it was a feature of Foster's teams as well.
Which, considering we've gone backwards, kinda proves the point that Robertson (a) isn't the coaching Jesus he was hyped up to be or (b) both are equally good coaches and there's deeper problems.
You've hated Razor since day one and didn't even want him as coach. You're comparing 6 tests to 4 years of substandard, mediocre horse manure. I'm disheartened as any one else about the current results and honestly expected more from this side this year but give me a break. You want Razor to fail to prove your narrative.
@LatsToTheMax said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Some posters seem to forget we played with 13 men at a key part of the game.
Don't think anyone's forgotten the poor discipline at key parts of the game we've seen creeping back in.
I seem to recall it was a feature of Foster's teams as well.
Which, considering we've gone backwards, kinda proves the point that Robertson (a) isn't the coaching Jesus he was hyped up to be or (b) both are equally good coaches and there's deeper problems.
You've hated Razor since day one and didn't even want him as coach. You're comparing 6 tests to 4 years of substandard, mediocre horse manure. I'm disheartened as any one else about the current results and honestly expected more from this side this year but give me a break. You want Razor to fail to prove your narrative.
This seems a little unfair..
I don't know how many times those of us who were skeptical about Robertson were told how much better things would be by his fanbase. The postings post Foster reappointment and Robertson drubbing were really quite nasty. I mean, look at what you've written about the 4 years where we didn't perform as high as AB standards of years gone by. Won the RC every year, and came within a bees dick of the WC. Given the closing of gaps of the top teams, thats not that bad.
So here we are, with a misfiring AB team under Robertson, and people are rightly asking where this brilliance is that we were told was going to happen.
Victors point is a fair one.
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@darylmitchell said in All Blacks 2024:
@Landers92 yes, for Canterbury he has lots, and at the end of games for Crusaders he's finished there.
Razor in his Crusaders days said he had potential to be a great 12.
I don't rate him that highly.. but he's got a point of difference due to his physical dimensions, similar to a young Jordie - he's filled out a bit more now... also massive boot on the kid - and very long levers providing good offloading platform from 12.
It's not like he's not going to play but he's a good squad pick since he covers 11-15.
You’re drunk. He doesn’t play 12. He predominantly plays winger because he has never been able to nail down the 15 jersey, he’s even been kicked to the wing for Canterbury this year. Interested to hear your take on that one… You’re only kidding yourself by trying to justify him being pulled into the squad when there are multiple better players out there than him mate. End of.
@Landers92 said in All Blacks 2024:
@darylmitchell said in All Blacks 2024:
@Landers92 yes, for Canterbury he has lots, and at the end of games for Crusaders he's finished there.
Razor in his Crusaders days said he had potential to be a great 12.
I don't rate him that highly.. but he's got a point of difference due to his physical dimensions, similar to a young Jordie - he's filled out a bit more now... also massive boot on the kid - and very long levers providing good offloading platform from 12.
It's not like he's not going to play but he's a good squad pick since he covers 11-15.
You’re drunk. He doesn’t play 12. He predominantly plays winger because he has never been able to nail down the 15 jersey, he’s even been kicked to the wing for Canterbury this year. Interested to hear your take on that one… You’re only kidding yourself by trying to justify him being pulled into the squad when there are multiple better players out there than him mate. End of.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/350426610/crusaders-fullback-chay-fihaki-called-all-blacks-squad
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@Kirwan at least you have your champion Blues to support.
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@LatsToTheMax said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Some posters seem to forget we played with 13 men at a key part of the game.
Don't think anyone's forgotten the poor discipline at key parts of the game we've seen creeping back in.
I seem to recall it was a feature of Foster's teams as well.
Which, considering we've gone backwards, kinda proves the point that Robertson (a) isn't the coaching Jesus he was hyped up to be or (b) both are equally good coaches and there's deeper problems.
You've hated Razor since day one and didn't even want him as coach. You're comparing 6 tests to 4 years of substandard, mediocre horse manure. I'm disheartened as any one else about the current results and honestly expected more from this side this year but give me a break. You want Razor to fail to prove your narrative.
This seems a little unfair..
I don't know how many times those of us who were skeptical about Robertson were told how much better things would be by his fanbase. The postings post Foster reappointment and Robertson drubbing were really quite nasty. I mean, look at what you've written about the 4 years where we didn't perform as high as AB standards of years gone by. Won the RC every year, and came within a bees dick of the WC. Given the closing of gaps of the top teams, thats not that bad.
So here we are, with a misfiring AB team under Robertson, and people are rightly asking where this brilliance is that we were told was going to happen.
Victors point is a fair one.
@MajorRage said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@LatsToTheMax said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Some posters seem to forget we played with 13 men at a key part of the game.
Don't think anyone's forgotten the poor discipline at key parts of the game we've seen creeping back in.
I seem to recall it was a feature of Foster's teams as well.
Which, considering we've gone backwards, kinda proves the point that Robertson (a) isn't the coaching Jesus he was hyped up to be or (b) both are equally good coaches and there's deeper problems.
You've hated Razor since day one and didn't even want him as coach. You're comparing 6 tests to 4 years of substandard, mediocre horse manure. I'm disheartened as any one else about the current results and honestly expected more from this side this year but give me a break. You want Razor to fail to prove your narrative.
This seems a little unfair..
I don't know how many times those of us who were skeptical about Robertson were told how much better things would be by his fanbase. The postings post Foster reappointment and Robertson drubbing were really quite nasty. I mean, look at what you've written about the 4 years where we didn't perform as high as AB standards of years gone by. Won the RC every year, and came within a bees dick of the WC. Given the closing of gaps of the top teams, thats not that bad.
So here we are, with a misfiring AB team under Robertson, and people are rightly asking where this brilliance is that we were told was going to happen.
Victors point is a fair one.
Nah, it's not. We went badly backwards under Foster, with obvious problems which were not addressed over a long period of time. We played shit, and selections were shit.
All apparently forgiven due to the mighty RWC turnaround which consisted of: lost to France, beat Ireland and Argentina, lost to SA.People couldn't understand why you would appoint a head coach with zero head coach success and what is perceived to be a shit coach selection process, and the result of that was a sense of relief that we would get a coach who had been successful. It's got nothing to do with this false 'messiah' bullshit, it's a straight reaction to the shit process last time around which resulted in shit results.
The point of falsely comparing 6 tests vs years of shit with no improvement is the fair one.
