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canefan

@canefan I think all the monohull ACs were more like that, so pre 2013 (ignoring the deed of gift), I’m sure 95-2007 were more like that

I was thinking more recently, either SF or Bermuda

Snowy

@canefan said in Americas Cup:

What we need is more wind and more tacking

Yes. Wind shadows aren't quite such an influence in stronger breezes and maneuvers aren't so costly as the boats are above a comfortable speed to not fall of the foils, or at least not make a low speed tack - especially us with "small feet" compared to the big dick swinging Italians. Let's hope that it is how you use it not the size that matters (we all know the truth).

We had boat speed on them in Bermuda. The cats were drag races not match races. In SF when the traitors arrived they had the speed on us.

It is dull to watch after the first 5 minutes - but I still will.

canefan

@snowy said in Americas Cup:

@canefan said in Americas Cup:

What we need is more wind and more tacking

Yes. Wind shadows aren't quite such an influence in stronger breezes and maneuvers aren't so costly as the boats are above a comfortable speed to not fall of the foils, or at least not make a low speed tack - especially us with "small feet" compared to the big dick swinging Italians. Let's hope that it is how you use it not the size that matters (we all know the truth).

We had boat speed on them in Bermuda. The cats were drag races not match races. In SF when the traitors arrived they had the speed on us.

It is dull to watch after the first 5 minutes - but I still will.

Let's face it, it's yacht racing, not MMA, and you can't just make more wind. They could have raised the lower wind range though

Snowy

@canefan said in Americas Cup:

Let's face it, it's yacht racing, not MMA, and you can't just make more wind.

Yeah but you can create race courses that enable a contest. F1 have done it. Monaco dull, all of the new tracks are pretty good.

Snowy

I should add that the course design, race length, etc. was done for spectator appeal and they ended up with a rather unappealing product. I feel sorry for the comms at times. Very difficult to make this exciting, and I enjoy sailing, but they have to talk shit knowing full well when a race is done and dusted.

taniwharugby

@snowy haha yep "TNZ/LR can only hope for an error at this point" (leg 3 of 6)

Damo

Does anybody know why they went away from the triangular courses that used to be used? At the moment they just go upwind and downwind for 6 legs. If there was a triangular course that would provide some variation.

Back when I used to sail, the standard was once around a triangle and then a final long leg to finish.

Snowy

@damo said in Americas Cup:

Does anybody know why they went away from the triangular courses that used to be used? At the moment they just go upwind and downwind for 6 legs. If there was a triangular course that would provide some variation.

Back when I used to sail, the standard was once around a triangle and then a final long leg to finish.

It's the boats mostly (and TB coverage and spectator appeal).
I've mentioned it before but I think an Olympic triangle doesn't really suit these boats - nor the cats. They are always upwind, because of apparent wind. Look how tight trimmed / close hauled they are "downwind". There ain't any goose wing sets anymore.

A reach leg wouldn't involve any sailing skill, just the drag out to the mark.

All a bit of a mind fuck for old school sailors. I call it physics, some call it witchcraft, but not much point in a triangle as I see it.

Bovidae

@taniwharugby said in Americas Cup:

so on the TVNZ Sports piece, they have Burling as the 'Flight Controller' but Spittal as 'co-helmsman'

The correct titles for TNZ are:
Burling - helmsman
Ashby - trimmer
Tuke - flight controller

Do we have co-helmsman too, or do LR have a Flight Controller?

Bruni and Spithill are co-helmsmen (they don't change sides), Sibello is the mainsail trimmer. It looks like they also use some grinders as trimmers.

Snowy

Burling is also Skipper as is Spithill.

Not just helmsmen, the buck stops with them (on the water anyway).

Bovidae

@snowy Max Sirena is their skipper.

https://www.lunarossachallenge.com/en/team#landing-team-sailing

Snowy

@bovidae said in Americas Cup:

@snowy Max Sirena is their skipper.

https://www.lunarossachallenge.com/en/team#landing-team-sailing

Thanks. I know who he is but he sure doesn't say much on board.

Pretty sure they had Spithill listed as skipper on the TB. Is Sirena always on the boat?

Machpants

Key question, who's responsible for making the G+Ts?

Machpants

Fuck there's some morons out there

Duncan why does the wind need to be strong enough? Can’t they race off foils?
TimZ

taniwharugby

@machpants well they could, it'd just be slower...

Machpants

@taniwharugby said in Americas Cup:

@machpants well they could, it'd just be slower...

Racing at 5 knots lol

Damo

@taniwharugby said in Americas Cup:

@machpants well they could, it'd just be slower...

Couldn't be any more dull than what we've seen recently.

Machpants

@damo said in Americas Cup:

@taniwharugby said in Americas Cup:

@machpants well they could, it'd just be slower...

Couldn't be any more dull than what we've seen recently.

Except the race wouldn't finish, they'd run out of time

taniwharugby

@machpants could start them at 9am and let them go!

Snowy

@damo said in Americas Cup:

@taniwharugby said in Americas Cup:

@machpants well they could, it'd just be slower...

Couldn't be any more dull than what we've seen recently.

A displacement race would make me laugh, except we lost in SF due to a time limit so don't want to go there. About as fair as a CWC decided on boundaries. I'm not bitter at all, well maybe a little...fucking arseholes that make stupid rules...they don't understand the sport... they are all idiots...mutter, mutter.

Going back to the GOM thread.

The Silver Fern

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