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Blues 2018

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  • TimT Tim

    Likely XXIII:

    1. Hodgman
    2. Parsons
    3. Tu'ungafasi
    4. Tuipulotu
    5. Scrafton
    6. Kaino
    7. Gibson
    8. Ioane
    9. Pulu
    10. Perofeta
      -- now the speculation starts --
    11. Ioane
    12. Faiane
    13. SBW
    14. Nanai
    15. Duffie
      -- reserves are more predictable --
    16. Moulds
    17. Manu
    18. Tamoaieta
    19. Cowley-Tuioti
    20. Pryor/Papali'i/Taramai
    21. Nock
    22. Gatland
    23. Moala

    Key question for the starting line-up: when is Scrafton back from injury. We rely on him heavily for set piece proficiency and organisation. We need an able replacement for that role.

    I really like those tight-five replacements to put some heat on at set-piece in the 2nd half. It'd be great to have a ball-carrying 8 on the bench, especially with Kaino likely to have a lighter workload.

    Midfield combo will be a big selection question. A lot of talent outside them.

    Pulu's form may be the key. Really hoping for a big year from Nock.

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    @tim said in Blues 2018:

    Likely XXIII:

    1. Hodgman
    2. Parsons
    3. Tu'ungafasi
    4. Tuipulotu
    5. Scrafton
    6. Kaino
    7. Gibson
    8. Ioane
    9. Pulu
    10. Perofeta
      -- now the speculation starts --
    11. Ioane
    12. Faiane
    13. SBW
    14. Nanai
    15. Duffie
      -- reserves are more predictable --
    16. Moulds
    17. Manu
    18. Tamoaieta
    19. Cowley-Tuioti
    20. Pryor/Papali'i/Taramai
    21. Nock
    22. Gatland
    23. Moala

    Key question for the starting line-up: when is Scrafton back from injury. We rely on him heavily for set piece proficiency and organisation. We need an able replacement for that role.

    I really like those tight-five replacements to put some heat on at set-piece in the 2nd half. It'd be great to have a ball-carrying 8 on the bench, especially with Kaino likely to have a lighter workload.

    Midfield combo will be a big selection question. A lot of talent outside them.

    Pulu's form may be the key. Really hoping for a big year from Nock.

    Tana Umaga will surely include Collins somewhere.

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      @tim said in Blues 2018:

      Likely XXIII:

      1. Hodgman
      2. Parsons
      3. Tu'ungafasi
      4. Tuipulotu
      5. Scrafton
      6. Kaino
      7. Gibson
      8. Ioane
      9. Pulu
      10. Perofeta
        -- now the speculation starts --
      11. Ioane
      12. Faiane
      13. SBW
      14. Nanai
      15. Duffie
        -- reserves are more predictable --
      16. Moulds
      17. Manu
      18. Tamoaieta
      19. Cowley-Tuioti
      20. Pryor/Papali'i/Taramai
      21. Nock
      22. Gatland
      23. Moala

      Key question for the starting line-up: when is Scrafton back from injury. We rely on him heavily for set piece proficiency and organisation. We need an able replacement for that role.

      I really like those tight-five replacements to put some heat on at set-piece in the 2nd half. It'd be great to have a ball-carrying 8 on the bench, especially with Kaino likely to have a lighter workload.

      Midfield combo will be a big selection question. A lot of talent outside them.

      Pulu's form may be the key. Really hoping for a big year from Nock.

      Tana Umaga will surely include Collins somewhere.

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      Tim
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      #100

      @cgrant I was going to put him at 23, but then I felt a momentary hopefulness.

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      • TimT Away
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        Tim
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        #101

        Ezekiel Lindenmuth is a possibility at loosehead.

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        • TimT Tim

          Ezekiel Lindenmuth is a possibility at loosehead.

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          #102

          @tim
          Still a bit too young but a fine prospect. Hodgman should have a great SR season and earn an AB call. His scrummaging has improved a lot since the BIL tour and he is one of the most effective props in NZ at clearing rucks.

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            The 2018 Blues squad is:

            Hookers: Leni Apisai, Matt Moulds, James Parsons.

            Front row: Alex Hodgman, Sione Mafileo, Pauliasi Manu, Isaac Salmon, Mike Tamoaieta, Ofa Tuungafasi.

            Locks: Gerard Cowley-Tuioti, Josh Goodhue, Scott Scrafton, Patrick Tuipulotu, Jimmy Tupou

            Loose forwards: Blake Gibson, Akira Ioane, Jerome Kaino, Dalton Papalii, Glenn Preston, Kara Pryor, Murphy Taramai.

            Halfbacks: Sam Nock, Augustine Puli, Jonathan Ruru.

            First Five: Otere Black/Daniel Kirkpatrick, Bryn Gatland, Stephen Perofeta.

            Midfield: Matt Johnson, George Moala, Tamati Tua, TJ Faiane, Sonny Bill Williams.

            Outside backs: Caleb Clarke, Michael Collins, Matt Duffie, Rieko Ioane, Melanie Nanai, Jordan Trainor.

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            • TimT Away
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              Tim
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              #104

              Good to see Tua there. Looks like they've focused on work-rate for loose forwards. Could do with another ball carrier in there.

              Kirkpatrick is an absolute joke. Really hope he sees zero game time.

              Wider Training Group might be important for cover at 8, lock, wing, and when Kirkpatrick is dumped.

              Hope Gibson isn't out for long!

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                Daffy Jaffy
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                #105

                I don't get the props? Apparently Salmon is a tight head which means we have 4 tight heads and 2 loose? Maybe Salmon can play both?.. It would be a shame to expect Tu'ungafaasi to switch when he is just starting to fulfill his promise at tight head. Unless that is in the AB selectors plans for him. .

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                • Daffy JaffyD Daffy Jaffy

                  I don't get the props? Apparently Salmon is a tight head which means we have 4 tight heads and 2 loose? Maybe Salmon can play both?.. It would be a shame to expect Tu'ungafaasi to switch when he is just starting to fulfill his promise at tight head. Unless that is in the AB selectors plans for him. .

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                  KiwiMurph
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                  #106

                  @daffy-jaffy its much better than any prop rotation involving Sam Prattley. Addition by subtraction.

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                    #107

                    How old is Salmon? Was he injured if both Halanukonuka and Lomax were played ahead of him?

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                    • BovidaeB Bovidae

                      How old is Salmon? Was he injured if both Halanukonuka and Lomax were played ahead of him?

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                      KiwiMurph
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                      #108

                      @bovidae 21 years old. He was only an NPC rookie this year I believe.

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                        Dice
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                        #109

                        Hopefully Dan Kirkpatrick can recapture his U20 form....

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                        • TimT Tim

                          Likely XXIII:

                          1. Hodgman
                          2. Parsons
                          3. Tu'ungafasi
                          4. Tuipulotu
                          5. Scrafton
                          6. Kaino
                          7. Gibson
                          8. Ioane
                          9. Pulu
                          10. Perofeta
                            -- now the speculation starts --
                          11. Ioane
                          12. Faiane
                          13. SBW
                          14. Nanai
                          15. Duffie
                            -- reserves are more predictable --
                          16. Moulds
                          17. Manu
                          18. Tamoaieta
                          19. Cowley-Tuioti
                          20. Pryor/Papali'i/Taramai
                          21. Nock
                          22. Gatland
                          23. Moala

                          Key question for the starting line-up: when is Scrafton back from injury. We rely on him heavily for set piece proficiency and organisation. We need an able replacement for that role.

                          I really like those tight-five replacements to put some heat on at set-piece in the 2nd half. It'd be great to have a ball-carrying 8 on the bench, especially with Kaino likely to have a lighter workload.

                          Midfield combo will be a big selection question. A lot of talent outside them.

                          Pulu's form may be the key. Really hoping for a big year from Nock.

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                          Dice
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                          #110

                          @tim said in Blues 2018:

                          Likely XXIII:

                          1. Hodgman
                          2. Parsons
                          3. Tu'ungafasi
                          4. Tuipulotu
                          5. Scrafton
                          6. Kaino
                          7. Gibson
                          8. Ioane
                          9. Pulu
                          10. Perofeta
                            -- now the speculation starts --
                          11. Ioane
                          12. Faiane
                          13. SBW
                          14. Nanai
                          15. Duffie
                            -- reserves are more predictable --
                          16. Moulds
                          17. Manu
                          18. Tamoaieta
                          19. Cowley-Tuioti
                          20. Pryor/Papali'i/Taramai
                          21. Nock
                          22. Gatland
                          23. Moala

                          Key question for the starting line-up: when is Scrafton back from injury. We rely on him heavily for set piece proficiency and organisation. We need an able replacement for that role.

                          I really like those tight-five replacements to put some heat on at set-piece in the 2nd half. It'd be great to have a ball-carrying 8 on the bench, especially with Kaino likely to have a lighter workload.

                          Midfield combo will be a big selection question. A lot of talent outside them.

                          Pulu's form may be the key. Really hoping for a big year from Nock.

                          That is pretty close to being spot on.

                          Papali'i ticks all the boxes for the backrow bench role. He plays all the backrow positions and is a good line-out option.

                          That midfield was what I wanted to see this year, but it never got any time. I do wonder if Tana is willing to shift SBW out one.

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                            #111

                            This is a fantastic example of a quality 1st XV, on paper at least, but plenty of potential for disaster as soon as this XV is eroded away.

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                            • TimT Tim

                              Good to see Tua there. Looks like they've focused on work-rate for loose forwards. Could do with another ball carrier in there.

                              Kirkpatrick is an absolute joke. Really hope he sees zero game time.

                              Wider Training Group might be important for cover at 8, lock, wing, and when Kirkpatrick is dumped.

                              Hope Gibson isn't out for long!

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                              Number 10
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                              #112

                              @tim said in Blues 2018:

                              Good to see Tua there. Looks like they've focused on work-rate for loose forwards. Could do with another ball carrier in there.

                              Kirkpatrick is an absolute joke. Really hope he sees zero game time.

                              Wider Training Group might be important for cover at 8, lock, wing, and when Kirkpatrick is dumped.

                              Hope Gibson isn't out for long!

                              I thought they had done away with the WTG ?

                              They can just contract cover players for injury as and when required, and sign promising players to development contracts?

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                              • Number 10N Number 10

                                @tim said in Blues 2018:

                                Good to see Tua there. Looks like they've focused on work-rate for loose forwards. Could do with another ball carrier in there.

                                Kirkpatrick is an absolute joke. Really hope he sees zero game time.

                                Wider Training Group might be important for cover at 8, lock, wing, and when Kirkpatrick is dumped.

                                Hope Gibson isn't out for long!

                                I thought they had done away with the WTG ?

                                They can just contract cover players for injury as and when required, and sign promising players to development contracts?

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                                Tim
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                                #113

                                @number-10 Yeah, should probably have said development squad.

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                                • Number 10N Number 10

                                  @tim said in Blues 2018:

                                  Good to see Tua there. Looks like they've focused on work-rate for loose forwards. Could do with another ball carrier in there.

                                  Kirkpatrick is an absolute joke. Really hope he sees zero game time.

                                  Wider Training Group might be important for cover at 8, lock, wing, and when Kirkpatrick is dumped.

                                  Hope Gibson isn't out for long!

                                  I thought they had done away with the WTG ?

                                  They can just contract cover players for injury as and when required, and sign promising players to development contracts?

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                                  Steven Harris
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                                  #114

                                  @number-10

                                  Totally agree regarding Kirkpatrick,bloody average,we let Ihaia West go for this cart horse..?,would have taken Jade Te Rure from the Turbos,even Turbo fans have told me he's better than Otere Black..!
                                  And who the hell is Isaac Salmon..?..

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                                    Isaac Salmon is a tighthead for Ta$man

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                                    • DiceD Dice

                                      @tim said in Blues 2018:

                                      Likely XXIII:

                                      1. Hodgman
                                      2. Parsons
                                      3. Tu'ungafasi
                                      4. Tuipulotu
                                      5. Scrafton
                                      6. Kaino
                                      7. Gibson
                                      8. Ioane
                                      9. Pulu
                                      10. Perofeta
                                        -- now the speculation starts --
                                      11. Ioane
                                      12. Faiane
                                      13. SBW
                                      14. Nanai
                                      15. Duffie
                                        -- reserves are more predictable --
                                      16. Moulds
                                      17. Manu
                                      18. Tamoaieta
                                      19. Cowley-Tuioti
                                      20. Pryor/Papali'i/Taramai
                                      21. Nock
                                      22. Gatland
                                      23. Moala

                                      Key question for the starting line-up: when is Scrafton back from injury. We rely on him heavily for set piece proficiency and organisation. We need an able replacement for that role.

                                      I really like those tight-five replacements to put some heat on at set-piece in the 2nd half. It'd be great to have a ball-carrying 8 on the bench, especially with Kaino likely to have a lighter workload.

                                      Midfield combo will be a big selection question. A lot of talent outside them.

                                      Pulu's form may be the key. Really hoping for a big year from Nock.

                                      That is pretty close to being spot on.

                                      Papali'i ticks all the boxes for the backrow bench role. He plays all the backrow positions and is a good line-out option.

                                      That midfield was what I wanted to see this year, but it never got any time. I do wonder if Tana is willing to shift SBW out one.

                                      TimT Away
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                                      Tim
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #116

                                      @dice said in Blues 2018:

                                      Papali'i ticks all the boxes for the backrow bench role. He plays all the backrow positions and is a good line-out option.

                                      I didn't realise that he was 113kg. In that case, he should be a good option at 6 and 8 too. There's a big discrepancy between his Auckland and Blues stats though ...

                                      Blues: 193 cm, 113 kg.
                                      Auckland: 190 cm, 104 kg.

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                                        @number-10

                                        Totally agree regarding Kirkpatrick,bloody average,we let Ihaia West go for this cart horse..?,would have taken Jade Te Rure from the Turbos,even Turbo fans have told me he's better than Otere Black..!
                                        And who the hell is Isaac Salmon..?..

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                                        Crucial
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                                        @steven-harris said in Blues 2018:

                                        @number-10

                                        Totally agree regarding Kirkpatrick,bloody average,we let Ihaia West go for this cart horse..?,would have taken Jade Te Rure from the Turbos,even Turbo fans have told me he's better than Otere Black..!
                                        And who the hell is Isaac Salmon..?..

                                        Seriously? I didn't realise Blues fans were such whinge bags.

                                        All we ever hear is that not enough is done by the Blues to lure a 10 into the setup. They have grabbed Perofeta before anyone else did and talked Black into moving as well. It isn't Umagas fault that Black got badly injured after signing.
                                        I do agree that Kirkpatrick isn't the goods but he is there as a the stand in number three choice and is at least experienced.

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                                        • Daffy JaffyD Daffy Jaffy

                                          I don't get the props? Apparently Salmon is a tight head which means we have 4 tight heads and 2 loose? Maybe Salmon can play both?.. It would be a shame to expect Tu'ungafaasi to switch when he is just starting to fulfill his promise at tight head. Unless that is in the AB selectors plans for him. .

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                                          Duluth
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                                          #118

                                          @daffy-jaffy said in Blues 2018:

                                          I don't get the props? Apparently Salmon is a tight head which means we have 4 tight heads and 2 loose? Maybe Salmon can play both?.. It would be a shame to expect Tu'ungafaasi to switch when he is just starting to fulfill his promise at tight head. Unless that is in the AB selectors plans for him

                                          This is even more concerning than Kirkpatrick

                                          I can't find any record of Mafileo, Salmon & Tamoaieta ever playing LH. So Umaga will convert one of these guys to cover both sides or screw up Ofa's progress

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