All Blacks 2022
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@FakatavaFuture said in All Blacks 2022:
@Frank yeah, I like how you call the rugby championship the four nations
So, you'd be the man for this question - when will Fakatava be eligible for the ABs?
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@Frank he's eligible, question is will he be selected for the Irish series, there's 5 halfbacks in contention & most likely 3 spots
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@FakatavaFuture said in All Blacks 2022:
@Frank he's eligible, question is will he be selected for the Irish series, there's 5 halfbacks in contention & most likely 3 spots
He'll be in. Our halfbacks are average outside of Aaron Smith.
@Frank I think Christie has made huge strides this year, has been a massive part of the good in the Blues, I reckon the AB coaches will have noticed this too, he wont be discarded.
For my mind, the Irish will see Smith, Christie and Weber, TJ for the Maori.
While Fakatava may have the highest ceiling, we know the AB coaches arent quick to bin people, Smith is Smith, Christie aside from some headless stuff last night, has been very good this year, Weber looked good for the Chiefs...will Foster & Co drop one of them to make room for Fakatava? I have my doubts.
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@Frank I think Christie has made huge strides this year, has been a massive part of the good in the Blues, I reckon the AB coaches will have noticed this too, he wont be discarded.
For my mind, the Irish will see Smith, Christie and Weber, TJ for the Maori.
While Fakatava may have the highest ceiling, we know the AB coaches arent quick to bin people, Smith is Smith, Christie aside from some headless stuff last night, has been very good this year, Weber looked good for the Chiefs...will Foster & Co drop one of them to make room for Fakatava? I have my doubts.
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
@Frank I think Christie has made huge strides this year, has been a massive part of the good in the Blues this year, I reckon the AB coaches will have noticed this too, he wont be discarded.
For my mind, the Irish will see Smith, Christie and Weber, TJ for the Maori.
While Fakatava may have the highest ceiling, we know the AB coaches arent quick to bin people, Smith is Smith, Christie aside from some headless stuff last night, has been very good this year, Weber looked good for the Chiefs...will Foster & Co drop one of them to make room for Fakatava? I have my doubts.
They are fuckin mugs if they don't pick him.
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@Frank I think Christie has made huge strides this year, has been a massive part of the good in the Blues, I reckon the AB coaches will have noticed this too, he wont be discarded.
For my mind, the Irish will see Smith, Christie and Weber, TJ for the Maori.
While Fakatava may have the highest ceiling, we know the AB coaches arent quick to bin people, Smith is Smith, Christie aside from some headless stuff last night, has been very good this year, Weber looked good for the Chiefs...will Foster & Co drop one of them to make room for Fakatava? I have my doubts.
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@taniwharugby the three you've picked are all pretty similar players, so I think they'll definitely go with Fakatava for variation (and he's fucking good), meaning one of Weber or Christie's heads will be on the block.
@Gunner well I'm saying what I think they will do, not what I would do.
It would be a bit of a change from how they usually do things....
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While I agree with you @taniwharugby, Weber is old an wildy inconsistent, I'd be pretty fucked off if we chose him as our 3rd halfback in a home test series.
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@mariner4life only with Jordie at 12, which I am warming to with his increased gametime there. He was fucking outstanding against the Brumbies, when he went off for an HIA we just completely fell apart
@No-Quarter That was a really bad miss by JB on Simone for his try.
But as I've said, I would like to see him used at 12 in one of the Irish tests. We won't know unless he is given an opportunity in that position.
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Smith, Christie and Fakatava for the 3 halfbacks. All offer something different. The selection of TJP would mean Foster and co haven't learnt anything from 2021. You can't play the game at speed with him at halfback. He and Weber for the Māori.
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Reece was unreal on Friday and now I'm all in on him playing and being given a license.
Is there a way we can fit all of Reece, Jordan, Jordie and Clarke in the 23?
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:
Reece was unreal on Friday and now I'm all in on him playing and being given a license.
Is there a way we can fit all of Reece, Jordan, Jordie and Clarke in the 23?
Yes
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2nd Five summary.
We have the following options :- Jack Goodhue : he was the incumbent before his injury. He has lost the necessary pace for a centre so 12 should be right place for him.
- Quinn Tupaea : he's playing better and better. He will be in the squad but not on the bench if he is not the starter.
- David Havili : will Foster stick with him ?
- Jordie Barrett : was immense against the Brumbies and showed that he is up to it. His boot could help his brother too.
- RTS : shows a lot of promise and his combination with RI is working nicely.
- Julian Savea : he said he wished to play there with the ABs.
- TUJ : the big munter the ABs need in midfield however he is too injury prone.
- PUJ : not enough game time because of Holland's policy.
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2nd Five summary.
We have the following options :- Jack Goodhue : he was the incumbent before his injury. He has lost the necessary pace for a centre so 12 should be right place for him.
- Quinn Tupaea : he's playing better and better. He will be in the squad but not on the bench if he is not the starter.
- David Havili : will Foster stick with him ?
- Jordie Barrett : was immense against the Brumbies and showed that he is up to it. His boot could help his brother too.
- RTS : shows a lot of promise and his combination with RI is working nicely.
- Julian Savea : he said he wished to play there with the ABs.
- TUJ : the big munter the ABs need in midfield however he is too injury prone.
- PUJ : not enough game time because of Holland's policy.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
The argument for RTS would be the cohesion argument of 10 Beaudy 12 RTS 13 Rieko
Isn't that the same argument for 10 Mo'unga, 12 Havili & 13 Goodhue/Ennor?
The problem there is Havili has been underwhelming in 2022, Goodhue speedwise looks better suited to 12 and Ennor should be nowhere near a black jersey
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
The argument for RTS would be the cohesion argument of 10 Beaudy 12 RTS 13 Rieko
Isn't that the same argument for 10 Mo'unga, 12 Havili & 13 Goodhue/Ennor?
The problem there is Havili has been underwhelming in 2022, Goodhue speedwise looks better suited to 12 and Ennor should be nowhere near a black jersey
I'm not arguing for a 10 Mo'unga, 12 Havili & 13 Goodhue/Ennor line-up, but arguing I don't find cohesion as a viable argument to include RTS as the preferred option at 12.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
When SBW was given a go, we had Nonu and/or Conrad to fall back on - which was needed against Wales in '10
That's my point exactly. No twelve is busting down doors and RTS is easily in the top 3, with nothing really putting one above the other - apart from RTS showing a great trajectory and building on what's been a very sound all around game. Tupaea as the experienced option is ridiculous, especially with the inconsistency he's shown, not to mention dodgy defence and now a penchant for dickishness that would get punished at international level. Who looks like the wise old head out of RTS and Tupaea?
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
Who looks like the wise old head out of RTS and Tupaea?
Goodhue.
Frizzel and Taylor agree.
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Reece was unreal on Friday and now I'm all in on him playing and being given a license.
Is there a way we can fit all of Reece, Jordan, Jordie and Clarke in the 23?
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:
Reece was unreal on Friday and now I'm all in on him playing and being given a license.
Is there a way we can fit all of Reece, Jordan, Jordie and Clarke in the 23?
Reece has gotten better this season. He’s cut down his error rate without it affecting his instinctual play. People point to Jordan’s play and it has taken a step up also, but I think Reece has been our best back.
There is a way to fit all of them into a starting XV
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
Who looks like the wise old head out of RTS and Tupaea?
Goodhue.
Goodhue wins on experience, but he looks slower than before.
Does he have an excellent long pass or kicking game?
Is he really strong busting tackles?
Does he have major upside or a provincial combination with the likely center?
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Halves are easy imo.
9: smith, fakatava, Christie
10: Barrett, Mounga, perofeta@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks 2022:
Halves are easy imo.
9: smith, fakatava, Christie
10: Barrett, Mounga, perofetaWeber will be there before Christie.
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@Mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2022:
Seems like Daltons injury is appendicitis. Any body know how long it take to recover from that?
Google says 2 to 3 weeks.
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
@Mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2022:
Seems like Daltons injury is appendicitis. Any body know how long it take to recover from that?
Google says 2 to 3 weeks.
That would really be pushing things for top rugby.
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew yeah, cos Quinn has just oodles more experience and form, as does Jack...
Same reason we should pick Frizzel over Akira. And Ennor over Faingaanuku.
That's not my argument.
Plenty of examples of players new to Union looking like a million dollars after a few games, getting quickly exposed at Test level and getting their careers stuffed.
Heck, SBW was touted as the second coming in '10 but had to be subbed against Wales after 40 minutes - and that was after 40 or so games with Toulon under Tana.
I don’t think SBW was ever rated as the ‘answer’.
But there were a couple of leaguies who made the Wallabies side the season after they left league - Andrew Walker and Mat Rogers. And that was during a time when there was quality backs still playing in green and yellow
Whenever SBW didn’t play well for the ABs he was either “coming back from an injury” or “coming back from a spell in league”……those excuses got him heaps of game time that others might have been dropped for.
I bet Julian Savea wished he had that kind of marketing.
@MN5 that time is probably for the average Joe to get back to work. But we are dealing with an elite athlete who will heal quicker with higher pain tolerances and no chance of a wound dehiscing so he might be good 2 to 3. It’s not like his testicle is hanging out. He’ll have some abdominal swelling but with running, massage and ice/heat that should be good. He probably is already on a stationary bike.
