All Blacks 2022

Bones

@bayimports said in All Blacks 2022:

@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2022:

There was one run by Akira where he attracted three defenders, made ground and got the team moving forwards. Vaai comes in for the cleanout and just falls over and we get turned over.

Our tight forwards are powder puffs.

I wouldn't say our tight forwards are powder puffs, but our clean out execution in general is woeful. Either go off their feet (falling or flying torpedo), turn up far too late, taking people way beyond what is deemed acceptable and the list goes on. There were a heap of clean outs missed.

Sure the execution is on the players, but this is basic core skills coaching that appears to be missing as it is all to frequent from this current team.

Yeah, it's pretty much like the breakdown is not even an afterthought, it's a non-thought and the players have zero idea what to do or who will do it. Hence you get a random coming in flying from nowhere each time, who completely missies anyone anyway and is so inaccurate the ref just ignores him because all he's done is land two metres off to the side of the ruck on the opposition side, where no one is. Then you get a tight forward standing as a pillar to the side of an unprotected ruck, and a back looking, deciding whether they need to clean out, then deciding yes once the opposition have already walked onto our side, running in and immediately going backwards.

Kirwan

@Bones it's pretty depressing watching us play the last few weeks then going to watch the Oz vs Eng games. The rucks look like a different sport, very organised.

ACT Crusader

It might seem a little left field but after a very disappointing series I’d be throwing a bit of caution to the wind against the Boks and just go with combinations.

We have a Blues 10-12-13 or a Saders 10-12-13 - both have flaws and positives, select one and roll with them.

We have a Saders 11-14-15 in Fainga’anuku, Reece and Jordan - they work well and complement each other. Alternatively if the Saders 10-12-13 is used, go with a Blues back three of Clarke, Ioane and Beaudie/Perofeta

Go with the Blues loose trio and the Saders locks.

Front row - Bower at LH, Sami at hooker, and pray for some sort of miracle for TH.

Halfback - one of the Highlanders

Too many Canes you say, yep there’s two of them on the bench - Ardie and Jordie.

Kirwan

@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:

It might seem a little left field but after a very disappointing series I’d be throwing a bit of caution to the wind against the Boks and just go with combinations.

We have a Blues 10-12-13 or a Saders 10-12-13 - both have flaws and positives, select one and roll with them.

We have a Saders 11-14-15 in Fainga’anuku, Reece and Jordan - they work well and complement each other. Alternatively if the Saders 10-12-13 is used, go with a Blues back three of Clarke, Ioane and Beaudie/Perofeta

Go with the Blues loose trio and the Saders locks.

Front row - Bower at LH, Sami at hooker, and pray for some sort of miracle for TH.

Halfback - one of the Highlanders

Too many Canes you say, yep there’s two of them on the bench - Ardie and Jordie.

The selections are moot. We have plenty of talented players, but they are not being utlisied properly. They look confused, disorganised and the tactics they are being asked to implement aren't working.

I go back to the covid week where Schmidt probably was forced to simplify everything, we played much better.

Crazy Horse

@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2022:

I go back to the covid week where Schmidt probably was forced to simplify everything, we played much better.

I would put it more as the Irish did not play well, rather than us playing better. The warning signs were there for the ABs - the Irish appeared to make ground at will and they crossed our line multiple times. And about the only attacking tactic anyone could spot was Smith firing the ball wide of the Irish defensive channels.

Bones

@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2022:

@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2022:

I go back to the covid week where Schmidt probably was forced to simplify everything, we played much better.

I would put it more as the Irish did not play well, rather than us playing better. The warning signs were there for the ABs - the Irish appeared to make ground at will and they crossed our line multiple times. And about the only attacking tactic anyone could spot was Smith firing the ball wide of the Irish defensive channels.

Yeah, not sure if I was in the minority, but I said afterwards that it was a paper over the cracks win. I really didn't see anything that structured by the AB's it still seemed helter skelter, it's just that it worked.

Crazy Horse

@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:

@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2022:

@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2022:

I go back to the covid week where Schmidt probably was forced to simplify everything, we played much better.

I would put it more as the Irish did not play well, rather than us playing better. The warning signs were there for the ABs - the Irish appeared to make ground at will and they crossed our line multiple times. And about the only attacking tactic anyone could spot was Smith firing the ball wide of the Irish defensive channels.

Yeah, not sure if I was in the minority, but I said afterwards that it was a paper over the cracks win. I really didn't see anything that structured by the AB's it still seemed helter skelter, it's just that it worked.

I said much the same thing at the time.

DaGrubster

@gt12

Yup, because I don’t see much of either over the last few years

nostrildamus

@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2022:

@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:

@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2022:

@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2022:

I go back to the covid week where Schmidt probably was forced to simplify everything, we played much better.

I would put it more as the Irish did not play well, rather than us playing better. The warning signs were there for the ABs - the Irish appeared to make ground at will and they crossed our line multiple times. And about the only attacking tactic anyone could spot was Smith firing the ball wide of the Irish defensive channels.

Yeah, not sure if I was in the minority, but I said afterwards that it was a paper over the cracks win. I really didn't see anything that structured by the AB's it still seemed helter skelter, it's just that it worked.

I said much the same thing at the time.

I'm a simple man. Since day 1 I said I didn't rate Foster as a coach.

Machpants

@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:

@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2022:

@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2022:

I go back to the covid week where Schmidt probably was forced to simplify everything, we played much better.

I would put it more as the Irish did not play well, rather than us playing better. The warning signs were there for the ABs - the Irish appeared to make ground at will and they crossed our line multiple times. And about the only attacking tactic anyone could spot was Smith firing the ball wide of the Irish defensive channels.

Yeah, not sure if I was in the minority, but I said afterwards that it was a paper over the cracks win. I really didn't see anything that structured by the AB's it still seemed helter skelter, it's just that it worked.

You weren't in the minority here, no one was that impressed. Apart from the media hacks

canefan

@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2022:

@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2022:

@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:

@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2022:

@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2022:

I go back to the covid week where Schmidt probably was forced to simplify everything, we played much better.

I would put it more as the Irish did not play well, rather than us playing better. The warning signs were there for the ABs - the Irish appeared to make ground at will and they crossed our line multiple times. And about the only attacking tactic anyone could spot was Smith firing the ball wide of the Irish defensive channels.

Yeah, not sure if I was in the minority, but I said afterwards that it was a paper over the cracks win. I really didn't see anything that structured by the AB's it still seemed helter skelter, it's just that it worked.

I said much the same thing at the time.

I'm a simple man. Since day 1 I said I didn't rate Foster as a coach.

Along with most of the Fern

Bones

@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:

@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:

@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2022:

@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2022:

I go back to the covid week where Schmidt probably was forced to simplify everything, we played much better.

I would put it more as the Irish did not play well, rather than us playing better. The warning signs were there for the ABs - the Irish appeared to make ground at will and they crossed our line multiple times. And about the only attacking tactic anyone could spot was Smith firing the ball wide of the Irish defensive channels.

Yeah, not sure if I was in the minority, but I said afterwards that it was a paper over the cracks win. I really didn't see anything that structured by the AB's it still seemed helter skelter, it's just that it worked.

You weren't in the minority here, no one was that impressed. Apart from the media hacks

Really? That wasn't the impression I got. Many seemed very pleased at supposedly seeing a plan that worked. Maybe I dreamed it.

canefan

@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:

@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:

@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:

@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2022:

@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2022:

I go back to the covid week where Schmidt probably was forced to simplify everything, we played much better.

I would put it more as the Irish did not play well, rather than us playing better. The warning signs were there for the ABs - the Irish appeared to make ground at will and they crossed our line multiple times. And about the only attacking tactic anyone could spot was Smith firing the ball wide of the Irish defensive channels.

Yeah, not sure if I was in the minority, but I said afterwards that it was a paper over the cracks win. I really didn't see anything that structured by the AB's it still seemed helter skelter, it's just that it worked.

You weren't in the minority here, no one was that impressed. Apart from the media hacks

Really? That wasn't the impression I got. Many seemed very pleased at supposedly seeing a plan that worked. Maybe I dreamed it.

IIRC the majority felt he didn't deserve the job based on

The continuity argument fails when Shag and his crew had been found out since 2018 and Foster represented more of the same
Foster hasn't won anything regardless of his ability as an assistant

Machpants

@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:

@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:

@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:

@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2022:

@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2022:

I go back to the covid week where Schmidt probably was forced to simplify everything, we played much better.

I would put it more as the Irish did not play well, rather than us playing better. The warning signs were there for the ABs - the Irish appeared to make ground at will and they crossed our line multiple times. And about the only attacking tactic anyone could spot was Smith firing the ball wide of the Irish defensive channels.

Yeah, not sure if I was in the minority, but I said afterwards that it was a paper over the cracks win. I really didn't see anything that structured by the AB's it still seemed helter skelter, it's just that it worked.

You weren't in the minority here, no one was that impressed. Apart from the media hacks

Really? That wasn't the impression I got. Many seemed very pleased at supposedly seeing a plan that worked. Maybe I dreamed it.

Jeez I think everyone enjoyed the win, but as you said, our defence was arse, with brave scramble. And the tactic of hitting 3 out was only going to work once, even if it was good to see. Maybe it was that I just ignored all the opinion otherwise, cos they were obvs talking rubbish!

canefan

@canefan said in All Blacks 2022:

@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:

@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:

@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:

@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2022:

@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2022:

I go back to the covid week where Schmidt probably was forced to simplify everything, we played much better.

I would put it more as the Irish did not play well, rather than us playing better. The warning signs were there for the ABs - the Irish appeared to make ground at will and they crossed our line multiple times. And about the only attacking tactic anyone could spot was Smith firing the ball wide of the Irish defensive channels.

Yeah, not sure if I was in the minority, but I said afterwards that it was a paper over the cracks win. I really didn't see anything that structured by the AB's it still seemed helter skelter, it's just that it worked.

You weren't in the minority here, no one was that impressed. Apart from the media hacks

Really? That wasn't the impression I got. Many seemed very pleased at supposedly seeing a plan that worked. Maybe I dreamed it.

IIRC the majority felt he didn't deserve the job based on

The continuity argument fails when Shag and his crew had been found out since 2018 and Foster represented more of the same

Foster hasn't won anything regardless of his ability as an assistant

Shit I answered the wrong question...

Bones

@canefan said in All Blacks 2022:

@canefan said in All Blacks 2022:

@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:

@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:

@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:

@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2022:

@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2022:

I go back to the covid week where Schmidt probably was forced to simplify everything, we played much better.

I would put it more as the Irish did not play well, rather than us playing better. The warning signs were there for the ABs - the Irish appeared to make ground at will and they crossed our line multiple times. And about the only attacking tactic anyone could spot was Smith firing the ball wide of the Irish defensive channels.

Yeah, not sure if I was in the minority, but I said afterwards that it was a paper over the cracks win. I really didn't see anything that structured by the AB's it still seemed helter skelter, it's just that it worked.

You weren't in the minority here, no one was that impressed. Apart from the media hacks

Really? That wasn't the impression I got. Many seemed very pleased at supposedly seeing a plan that worked. Maybe I dreamed it.

IIRC the majority felt he didn't deserve the job based on

The continuity argument fails when Shag and his crew had been found out since 2018 and Foster represented more of the same

Foster hasn't won anything regardless of his ability as an assistant

Shit I answered the wrong question...

Count the number of rings in a tree to tell how old it is.

nostrildamus

@canefan said in All Blacks 2022:

@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2022:

@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2022:

@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:

@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2022:

@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2022:

I go back to the covid week where Schmidt probably was forced to simplify everything, we played much better.

I would put it more as the Irish did not play well, rather than us playing better. The warning signs were there for the ABs - the Irish appeared to make ground at will and they crossed our line multiple times. And about the only attacking tactic anyone could spot was Smith firing the ball wide of the Irish defensive channels.

Yeah, not sure if I was in the minority, but I said afterwards that it was a paper over the cracks win. I really didn't see anything that structured by the AB's it still seemed helter skelter, it's just that it worked.

I said much the same thing at the time.

I'm a simple man. Since day 1 I said I didn't rate Foster as a coach.

Along with most of the Fern

There were posters who knew better!
If I wasn't such a gentleman (and could actually remember) I might even name them....

Donsteppa

An idle reflection on seeing the latest "... Foster and Cane must go to save AB's" NZ Herald headline.

I wonder if Foster reinstating Cane to the captaincy after the pectoral injury last year might unwittingly bring Cane's All Blacks career to an earlier close than it would have otherwise.

Cane has played in an attritional position at international level for a decade, had a broken neck, and returned from another major with that torn pectoral tendon. Possibly he has had one injury too many now. But perhaps if he'd just been in a position to play as and when the right horse for the course, and in a well balanced trio - rather than being "it" as Captain - it probably would have worked out better all round...

nostrildamus

@Donsteppa said in All Blacks 2022:

An idle reflection on seeing the latest "... Foster and Cane must go to save AB's" NZ Herald headline.

I wonder if Foster reinstating Cane to the captaincy after the pectoral injury last year might unwittingly bring Cane's All Blacks career to an earlier close than it would have otherwise.

Cane has played in an attritional position at international level for a decade, had a broken neck, and returned from another major with that torn pectoral tendon. Possibly he has had one injury too many now. But perhaps if he'd just been in a position to play as and when the right horse for the course, and in a well balanced trio - rather than being "it" as Captain - it probably would have worked out better all round...

Plus being captain in the 7 position must be a bit tricky at times..

Bones

@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:

@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:

Someone with hair like that really shouldn't draw attention to themselves.

The hair jokes are getting a bit old

The Silver Fern

All Blacks 2022