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    #782

    And it's not like he was facing a terrible bowling lineup, they had Siraj, Sharma and Washington with plenty of international experience. Yes T20s in India favour the batsmen heavily but that is an absolutely outrageous innings at that age. He also hit his first ever ball in T20 for 6 a few weeks back as well. Crazy talent, going to be interesting to see how he develops - e.g. will he just be a T20 specialist or does he have a game that can translate to tests.

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      Bit of a sorry looking scorecard for the NZ A side in their One Day Match currently in progress against Bangladesh A. 4 of the top 5 got ducks. NZ A dismissed for 147 off 34 overs. Only bright spots were Rhys Mariu with 42 and Dean Foxcroft with 72. Bangladesh currently 123/3 from 23 overs

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      • L LABCAT

        @canefan said in NZ Cricket:

        @nzzp said in NZ Cricket:

        @canefan said in NZ Cricket:

        He made some mind-boggling decisions at times. But you have to give the guy his flowers

        Still reckon we should have played Boult over Scott K against England at the Mount. Yes, I can bear a grudge.

        Most egregious was not getting warm up games in Aus for our tour. You cannot succeed without acclimatising.

        Like I said, some mind boggling decisions. Mainly regarding selection (I can't recall any specific examples now, but I can recall being quite unhappy with some of them. Bracewell wasting a spot on the test team was one). If it was his decision to forgoe warm up games before the Australian tour, then that was a poor decision

        Allowing Henry Nicholls to play on longer than he should have would have been one. It actually seems recently that we have started to promote a lot more fresh talent (maybe this hasn't been by choice) whereas previously we would keep playing the same players regardless of form.

        Probably the worst selection was allowing Southee a farewell tour when we should have been going all out for a spot in the WTC final.

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        @LABCAT said in NZ Cricket:

        @canefan said in NZ Cricket:

        @nzzp said in NZ Cricket:

        @canefan said in NZ Cricket:

        He made some mind-boggling decisions at times. But you have to give the guy his flowers

        Still reckon we should have played Boult over Scott K against England at the Mount. Yes, I can bear a grudge.

        Most egregious was not getting warm up games in Aus for our tour. You cannot succeed without acclimatising.

        Like I said, some mind boggling decisions. Mainly regarding selection (I can't recall any specific examples now, but I can recall being quite unhappy with some of them. Bracewell wasting a spot on the test team was one). If it was his decision to forgoe warm up games before the Australian tour, then that was a poor decision

        Allowing Henry Nicholls to play on longer than he should have would have been one. It actually seems recently that we have started to promote a lot more fresh talent (maybe this hasn't been by choice) whereas previously we would keep playing the same players regardless of form.

        Probably the worst selection was allowing Southee a farewell tour when we should have been going all out for a spot in the WTC final.

        In tests we:

        • Lost to Bangladesh at home

        • Whitewashed by Australia home & away

        • Whitewashed by England away and lost at home

        • Whitewashed by SL in SL

        The WTC win was Hesson's team, Stead just came in and continued what Hesson was doing, since that point the team was on a steady decline. We also have no trophy's since then for our supposed "golden generation" - we made the knockouts 4 times but won none of them. We're not a middling team anymore, we shouldn't be content with almost winning. Stead is the epitome of a nearly man, a runners-up coach, always the bridesmaid. Someone like a Fleming would've provided the critical extra 1% that would've helped us over the line in a few of those finals.

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        • nzzpN Online
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          Hesson the new Pakistan coach.

          If he can survive politics and engage them, watch out!

          https://www.wisden.com/cricket-news/renowned-ipl-and-international-coach-to-take-over-pakistan-white-ball-job

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          • nzzpN nzzp

            Hesson the new Pakistan coach.

            If he can survive politics and engage them, watch out!

            https://www.wisden.com/cricket-news/renowned-ipl-and-international-coach-to-take-over-pakistan-white-ball-job

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            @nzzp said in NZ Cricket:

            Hesson the new Pakistan coach.

            If he can survive politics and engage them, watch out!

            https://www.wisden.com/cricket-news/renowned-ipl-and-international-coach-to-take-over-pakistan-white-ball-job

            He will be lucky to last a year not because of ability but politics.

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              There were stories about Southee replacing Anderson as the England bowling consultant. That seems to have gone quiet.

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              • ChrisC Chris

                @nzzp said in NZ Cricket:

                Hesson the new Pakistan coach.

                If he can survive politics and engage them, watch out!

                https://www.wisden.com/cricket-news/renowned-ipl-and-international-coach-to-take-over-pakistan-white-ball-job

                He will be lucky to last a year not because of ability but politics.

                nzzpN Online
                nzzpN Online
                nzzp
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                #788

                @Chris said in NZ Cricket:

                @nzzp said in NZ Cricket:

                Hesson the new Pakistan coach.

                If he can survive politics and engage them, watch out!

                https://www.wisden.com/cricket-news/renowned-ipl-and-international-coach-to-take-over-pakistan-white-ball-job

                He will be lucky to last a year not because of ability but politics.

                and he's fired

                /jokes 😄

                but seriously, how long will he last? THey chewed up and spat out Gillespie, who was a solid dude. Interesting choice by Hesson

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                • nzzpN nzzp

                  @Chris said in NZ Cricket:

                  @nzzp said in NZ Cricket:

                  Hesson the new Pakistan coach.

                  If he can survive politics and engage them, watch out!

                  https://www.wisden.com/cricket-news/renowned-ipl-and-international-coach-to-take-over-pakistan-white-ball-job

                  He will be lucky to last a year not because of ability but politics.

                  and he's fired

                  /jokes 😄

                  but seriously, how long will he last? THey chewed up and spat out Gillespie, who was a solid dude. Interesting choice by Hesson

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                  @nzzp said in NZ Cricket:

                  @Chris said in NZ Cricket:

                  @nzzp said in NZ Cricket:

                  Hesson the new Pakistan coach.

                  If he can survive politics and engage them, watch out!

                  https://www.wisden.com/cricket-news/renowned-ipl-and-international-coach-to-take-over-pakistan-white-ball-job

                  He will be lucky to last a year not because of ability but politics.

                  and he's fired

                  /jokes 😄

                  but seriously, how long will he last? THey chewed up and spat out Gillespie, who was a solid dude. Interesting choice by Hesson

                  Pakistani is like India corrupt at the top if he plays the game maybe he can last a couple of years but that is a harsh environment to succeed as a coach, differences of faith, match fixing makes big money for syndicates and you can't say no if you care about your family.

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                  • SouthernMannS Offline
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                    SouthernMann
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                    #790

                    What we can take from this is that Hess loves money. He will coach the side out of Dunedin. Can't see him spending too long in a country constantly being threatened by nuclear bombs

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                    • SouthernMannS SouthernMann

                      What we can take from this is that Hess loves money. He will coach the side out of Dunedin. Can't see him spending too long in a country constantly being threatened by nuclear bombs

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                      nzzp
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                      @SouthernMann said in NZ Cricket:

                      What we can take from this is that Hess loves money.

                      They don't get the India money though (obviously) and aren't (or certainly weren't) super wealthy.

                      Remember when Mohammed Asif got pinged for spot fixing at Lords? He was on 35k USD/year as an international bowler. Given that was a fair few years ago, but Pakistan wasn't splashing money around then - no idea how it is now

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                      • nzzpN nzzp

                        @SouthernMann said in NZ Cricket:

                        What we can take from this is that Hess loves money.

                        They don't get the India money though (obviously) and aren't (or certainly weren't) super wealthy.

                        Remember when Mohammed Asif got pinged for spot fixing at Lords? He was on 35k USD/year as an international bowler. Given that was a fair few years ago, but Pakistan wasn't splashing money around then - no idea how it is now

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                        @nzzp said in NZ Cricket:

                        @SouthernMann said in NZ Cricket:

                        What we can take from this is that Hess loves money.

                        They don't get the India money though (obviously) and aren't (or certainly weren't) super wealthy.

                        Remember when Mohammed Asif got pinged for spot fixing at Lords? He was on 35k USD/year as an international bowler. Given that was a fair few years ago, but Pakistan wasn't splashing money around then - no idea how it is now

                        Better than that now,Pakistan 20/20 comp puts more money in to the local scene.

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                        • nzzpN nzzp

                          @SouthernMann said in NZ Cricket:

                          What we can take from this is that Hess loves money.

                          They don't get the India money though (obviously) and aren't (or certainly weren't) super wealthy.

                          Remember when Mohammed Asif got pinged for spot fixing at Lords? He was on 35k USD/year as an international bowler. Given that was a fair few years ago, but Pakistan wasn't splashing money around then - no idea how it is now

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                          @nzzp said in NZ Cricket:

                          @SouthernMann said in NZ Cricket:

                          What we can take from this is that Hess loves money.

                          They don't get the India money though (obviously) and aren't (or certainly weren't) super wealthy.

                          Remember when Mohammed Asif got pinged for spot fixing at Lords? He was on 35k USD/year as an international bowler. Given that was a fair few years ago, but Pakistan wasn't splashing money around then - no idea how it is now

                          Seems like they were willing to pay Watson $2mil a year last year.

                          Hess will also need to stand down for his Indian roles

                          https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.business-standard.com/amp/cricket/news/pakistan-to-pay-highest-ever-salary-to-shane-watson-for-head-coach-role-124031400176_1.html

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                            Looks like there will be a new Black Caps coach and it will either be Shane Bond or Rob Walter. Stead out altogether.

                            Last Men Standing: Blackcaps coaching race down to two as Stead drops out of contention

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                              Looks like there will be a new Black Caps coach and it will either be Shane Bond or Rob Walter. Stead out altogether.

                              Last Men Standing: Blackcaps coaching race down to two as Stead drops out of contention

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                              @1kiwi said in NZ Cricket:

                              Looks like there will be a new Black Caps coach and it will either be Shane Bond or Rob Walter. Stead out altogether.

                              Last Men Standing: Blackcaps coaching race down to two as Stead drops out of contention

                              Two metre Peter will be annoyed, thought he was well in the frame.

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                                @1kiwi said in NZ Cricket:

                                Looks like there will be a new Black Caps coach and it will either be Shane Bond or Rob Walter. Stead out altogether.

                                Last Men Standing: Blackcaps coaching race down to two as Stead drops out of contention

                                Two metre Peter will be annoyed, thought he was well in the frame.

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                                @Canes4life said in NZ Cricket:

                                @1kiwi said in NZ Cricket:

                                Looks like there will be a new Black Caps coach and it will either be Shane Bond or Rob Walter. Stead out altogether.

                                Last Men Standing: Blackcaps coaching race down to two as Stead drops out of contention

                                Two metre Peter will be annoyed, thought he was well in the frame.

                                You would have thought they would have at least given the guy an interview considering his domestic coaching record?

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                                • MN5M Online
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                                  #797

                                  Go Bondy !

                                  Injury prevented him achieving ongoing greatness as a player, lets see if he can do it as a coach.

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                                    #798

                                    I thought Bond was fantastic during his brief spell as our bowling coach, and he's one of the few commentators that actually come across as having a real deep insight of what's happening rather than reacting after the fact, so I'm hopeful that he'd be a success.

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                                      1kiwi
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                                      #799

                                      https://www.instagram.com/p/DKavFditChD/?igsh=dmF5ZzFibjJ3cHQ0

                                      Henry Nicolls really?

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                                        https://www.nzc.nz/news-items/rising-stars-headline-blackcaps-2025-26-central-contracts/

                                        Any thoughts on the new players? Mitch Hay, Muhammad Abbas, Zak Foulkes & Adi Ashok

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                                          It's kind of remarkable that NZC didn't try to line this up with the coaching appointment.

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