All Blacks vs Scotland
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@canefan said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
I'm sick of these people on here claiming we need to find a second option to JB.
So your answer is not to bother about any back-ups at 12 and just play Jordie there and give bugger-all thought to managing his workload?
The only problem with that is what you do (apart from blaming Foster for being an idiot for not developing MF options) if/when Jordie gets injured.
It would appear we need someone other than DH to cover 12. And that person, whoever they are, probably didn't play at Murrayfield. They would have been better off trying out RTS at 12 because we know what DH brings
I hindsight, I think you're right. Sense they were hoping to get well on top of the Jocks and the give Perofeta or DH a stint at 15 to see how ALB & Jordie went in midfield. Sadly didn't work out.
I hope that ALB game was a one-off. He's normally really reliable.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
I'm sick of these people on here claiming we need to find a second option to JB.
So your answer is not to bother about any back-ups at 12 and just play Jordie there and give bugger-all thought to managing his workload?
The only problem with that is what you do (apart from blaming Foster for being an idiot for not developing MF options) if/when Jordie gets injured.
It would appear we need someone other than DH to cover 12. And that person, whoever they are, probably didn't play at Murrayfield. They would have been better off trying out RTS at 12 because we know what DH brings
I hindsight, I think you're right. Sense they were hoping to get well on top of the Jocks and the give Perofeta or DH a stint at 15 to see how ALB & Jordie went in midfield. Sadly didn't work out.
I hope that ALB game was a one-off. He's normally really reliable.
ALB is running in custard. He isn't the answer. He has the brain, but his body can't match the IQ. Neither powerful nor fast.
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Horrible but at least we have a few things straight.
Papali and Savea absolutely must play together, 2 out of 3 settled in the back row.
Let’s get rid of Havilli now.
Beaudan Barrett has not been the answer at 10 for about 5 seasons, for all the blame Hansen got for the semi- final he was spot on with moving BB from 10. His kicking and game control utter shite.
Finlay Christie has had two opportunities now, and I think we know what we have and it’s not enough.
Havilli is done, we have enough options.
Can anyone really tell me Caleb Clarke is the best wing n NZ? If he does not knock someone out in the first minute not sure what he’s good for. Cannot stay upright long enough for an in and away.@DMX said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
Horrible but at least we have a few things straight.
Papali and Savea absolutely must play together, 2 out of 3 settled in the back row.
Let’s get rid of Havilli now.
Beaudan Barrett has not been the answer at 10 for about 5 seasons, for all the blame Hansen got for the semi- final he was spot on with moving BB from 10. His kicking and game control utter shite.
Finlay Christie has had two opportunities now, and I think we know what we have and it’s not enough.
Havilli is done, we have enough options.
Can anyone really tell me Caleb Clarke is the best wing n NZ? If he does not knock someone out in the first minute not sure what he’s good for. Cannot stay upright long enough for an in and away.Ethan Blackadder for 6 next year.
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Eating my words here..
TJ has been bloody good, think Christie has had enough of a go... -
Scotland are champions of not seizing the chance. That was a golden opportunity.
Best ABs were Talea then the bench who were to a man better than those they replaced. Frizzell will start at 6 vs England.
We are really quite crap at the moment.
Oh and I see Razor won.
@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
Scotland are champions of not seizing the chance. That was a golden opportunity.
Best ABs were Talea then the bench who were to a man better than those they replaced. Frizzell will start at 6 vs England.
We are really quite crap at the moment.
Oh and I see Razor won.
Yep, the “aura” is still well and truly alive…….for Scotland.
Best chance in god knows how long and they still fucked it.
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Just watched the replay ,alot not to like ,
But I guess withstanding scotlands momentum and finding a way to win is the positive, maybe just a few months ago we panic and lack the composure to rally at the end
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Few knee jerk thoughts after watching another Fozzie rabble.
Tight 5 largely OK heading in to next year. CT back to his better form was pleasing to see.
Paps 100% is our best 7
Ardie is immense.Thought Akira started well especially in first 15mins... Was still solid after that, Frizzel noticeably more direct when he came on, suspect he will start v England...(if BBBR was available I believe SB would start next weekend) But #6 is still wide open
We do need to be more accurate at the breakdown and more adaptable to the varying officiating in this area.
TJ has really put his name back in the conversation for 9, while imo Christie has almost removed himself from the same conversation.
BB needs to put those low percentage kicks away... I'd start RM next week.
DH = no...JB for me.. And build the combo with either ALB or RI.
ALB not great this morning .. But worth working with... Think the main issues were inside him today.
CC... Has to go.. He's a liability, poor hands and poorer defence...and we have too many better options to keep persisting with him.
Back line main area of concern for me, followed by loosies make up with Fozzie selections
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@Victor-Meldrew The ABs missed 20% of their tackles in this game. Not good enough.
@sparky said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Victor-Meldrew The ABs missed 20% of their tackles in this game. Not good enough.
I suspect a few of those were Telea as well.
He had a good first game, no doubt, but he did slip off a few. -
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
I'm sick of these people on here claiming we need to find a second option to JB.
So your answer is not to bother about any back-ups at 12 and just play Jordie there and give bugger-all thought to managing his workload?
The only problem with that is what you do (apart from blaming Foster for being an idiot for not developing MF options) if/when Jordie gets injured.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
I'm sick of these people on here claiming we need to find a second option to JB.
So your answer is not to bother about any back-ups at 12 and just play Jordie there and give bugger-all thought to managing his workload?
The only problem with that is what you do (apart from blaming Foster for being an idiot for not developing MF options) if/when Jordie gets injured.
If it was about managing his workload then why tf even play him in this game? Play him at 12 or not at all.
At the end of the day it was patently obvious that DH was a stopgap at best. The idea that he was ever going to be a world class 12 was stoopid.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
I'm sick of these people on here claiming we need to find a second option to JB.
So your answer is not to bother about any back-ups at 12 and just play Jordie there and give bugger-all thought to managing his workload?
The only problem with that is what you do (apart from blaming Foster for being an idiot for not developing MF options) if/when Jordie gets injured.
If it was about managing his workload then why tf even play him in this game? Play him at 12 or not at all.
At the end of the day it was patently obvious that DH was a stopgap at best. The idea that he was ever going to be a world class 12 was stoopid.
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@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
Scotland are champions of not seizing the chance. That was a golden opportunity.
Best ABs were Talea then the bench who were to a man better than those they replaced. Frizzell will start at 6 vs England.
We are really quite crap at the moment.
Oh and I see Razor won.
Yep, the “aura” is still well and truly alive…….for Scotland.
Best chance in god knows how long and they still fucked it.
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
Scotland are champions of not seizing the chance. That was a golden opportunity.
Best ABs were Talea then the bench who were to a man better than those they replaced. Frizzell will start at 6 vs England.
We are really quite crap at the moment.
Oh and I see Razor won.
Yep, the “aura” is still well and truly alive…….for Scotland.
Best chance in god knows how long and they still fucked it.
Since the last time?
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Few knee jerk thoughts after watching another Fozzie rabble.
Tight 5 largely OK heading in to next year. CT back to his better form was pleasing to see.
Paps 100% is our best 7
Ardie is immense.Thought Akira started well especially in first 15mins... Was still solid after that, Frizzel noticeably more direct when he came on, suspect he will start v England...(if BBBR was available I believe SB would start next weekend) But #6 is still wide open
We do need to be more accurate at the breakdown and more adaptable to the varying officiating in this area.
TJ has really put his name back in the conversation for 9, while imo Christie has almost removed himself from the same conversation.
BB needs to put those low percentage kicks away... I'd start RM next week.
DH = no...JB for me.. And build the combo with either ALB or RI.
ALB not great this morning .. But worth working with... Think the main issues were inside him today.
CC... Has to go.. He's a liability, poor hands and poorer defence...and we have too many better options to keep persisting with him.
Back line main area of concern for me, followed by loosies make up with Fozzie selections
@Mattasaurus said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
if BBBR was available I believe SB would start next weekend
BBBR is available isn't he?
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@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
Scotland are champions of not seizing the chance. That was a golden opportunity.
Best ABs were Talea then the bench who were to a man better than those they replaced. Frizzell will start at 6 vs England.
We are really quite crap at the moment.
Oh and I see Razor won.
Yep, the “aura” is still well and truly alive…….for Scotland.
Best chance in god knows how long and they still fucked it.
Since the last time?
@booboo said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
Scotland are champions of not seizing the chance. That was a golden opportunity.
Best ABs were Talea then the bench who were to a man better than those they replaced. Frizzell will start at 6 vs England.
We are really quite crap at the moment.
Oh and I see Razor won.
Yep, the “aura” is still well and truly alive…….for Scotland.
Best chance in god knows how long and they still fucked it.
Since the last time?
2017 and they only went down 22-17. Before that 24-16 in 2014.
Fuck it’s shite being Scottish.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
I'm sick of these people on here claiming we need to find a second option to JB.
So your answer is not to bother about any back-ups at 12 and just play Jordie there and give bugger-all thought to managing his workload?
The only problem with that is what you do (apart from blaming Foster for being an idiot for not developing MF options) if/when Jordie gets injured.
If it was about managing his workload then why tf even play him in this game? Play him at 12 or not at all.
At the end of the day it was patently obvious that DH was a stopgap at best. The idea that he was ever going to be a world class 12 was stoopid.
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
I'm sick of these people on here claiming we need to find a second option to JB.
So your answer is not to bother about any back-ups at 12 and just play Jordie there and give bugger-all thought to managing his workload?
The only problem with that is what you do (apart from blaming Foster for being an idiot for not developing MF options) if/when Jordie gets injured.
If it was about managing his workload then why tf even play him in this game?Play him at 12 or not at all.
They wouldn't have played him if Will Jordan was available for 15.
At the end of the day it was patently obvious that DH was a stopgap at best. The idea that he was ever going to be a world class 12 was stoopid.
Maybe. But how does that address the issue of back-up at 12 if Jordie is injured?
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@Mattasaurus said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
if BBBR was available I believe SB would start next weekend
BBBR is available isn't he?
@booboo said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Mattasaurus said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
if BBBR was available I believe SB would start next weekend
BBBR is available isn't he?
I hope so, I thought he was gone for whole tour.. Happy to be wrong.
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If the head coach believes that Perofeta is only good for 60 seconds a test match then deep down he also believes he’s not good enough to play at this level. It ain’t a development squad. Quit f’n round and pick the best players. If you want to rest players then fine, but don’t pick someone who you don’t have the confidence in to play when it counts. Pero isn’t gonna learn anything coming on with 20 to go if they’re up 30 is he? Fozzy knows he’s not gonna play Pero off the bench in the QF next year so why bother now?
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I have to admit I find it a bit disrespectful to Scotland to make that many changes. Japan was for trialling players, surely these professionals can handle 3 games in a row at the end of the season. Midfield has been our biggest weakness since 15, let JB and RI play as many games together as possible. I really cannot see any point in playing DH at 12.
@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
I have to admit I find it a bit disrespectful to Scotland to make that many changes. Japan was for trialling players, surely these professionals can handle 3 games in a row at the end of the season. Midfield has been our biggest weakness since 15, let JB and RI play as many games together as possible. I really cannot see any point in playing DH at 12.
Seems changing 9,10,12,13,14,15 does disrupt the flow of the backline, who would have thought.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
I'm sick of these people on here claiming we need to find a second option to JB.
So your answer is not to bother about any back-ups at 12 and just play Jordie there and give bugger-all thought to managing his workload?
The only problem with that is what you do (apart from blaming Foster for being an idiot for not developing MF options) if/when Jordie gets injured.
If it was about managing his workload then why tf even play him in this game?Play him at 12 or not at all.
They wouldn't have played him if Will Jordan was available for 15.
At the end of the day it was patently obvious that DH was a stopgap at best. The idea that he was ever going to be a world class 12 was stoopid.
Maybe. But how does that address the issue of back-up at 12 if Jordie is injured?
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
I'm sick of these people on here claiming we need to find a second option to JB.
So your answer is not to bother about any back-ups at 12 and just play Jordie there and give bugger-all thought to managing his workload?
The only problem with that is what you do (apart from blaming Foster for being an idiot for not developing MF options) if/when Jordie gets injured.
If it was about managing his workload then why tf even play him in this game?Play him at 12 or not at all.
They wouldn't have played him if Will Jordan was available for 15.
At the end of the day it was patently obvious that DH was a stopgap at best. The idea that he was ever going to be a world class 12 was stoopid.
Maybe. But how does that address the issue of back-up at 12 if Jordie is injured?
Was JB really the only viable option at 15?
DH has played what, dozen tests at 12? His use in the squad now is as a utility so maybe best to test him in other positions, like maybe fullback....
Or maybe show more than 50 seconds of trust in SP.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
I'm sick of these people on here claiming we need to find a second option to JB.
So your answer is not to bother about any back-ups at 12 and just play Jordie there and give bugger-all thought to managing his workload?
The only problem with that is what you do (apart from blaming Foster for being an idiot for not developing MF options) if/when Jordie gets injured.
If it was about managing his workload then why tf even play him in this game?Play him at 12 or not at all.
They wouldn't have played him if Will Jordan was available for 15.
At the end of the day it was patently obvious that DH was a stopgap at best. The idea that he was ever going to be a world class 12 was stoopid.
Maybe. But how does that address the issue of back-up at 12 if Jordie is injured?
Was JB really the only viable option at 15?
DH has played what, dozen tests at 12? His use in the squad now is as a utility so maybe best to test him in other positions, like maybe fullback....
Or maybe show more than 50 seconds of trust in SP.
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
I'm sick of these people on here claiming we need to find a second option to JB.
So your answer is not to bother about any back-ups at 12 and just play Jordie there and give bugger-all thought to managing his workload?
The only problem with that is what you do (apart from blaming Foster for being an idiot for not developing MF options) if/when Jordie gets injured.
If it was about managing his workload then why tf even play him in this game?Play him at 12 or not at all.
They wouldn't have played him if Will Jordan was available for 15.
At the end of the day it was patently obvious that DH was a stopgap at best. The idea that he was ever going to be a world class 12 was stoopid.
Maybe. But how does that address the issue of back-up at 12 if Jordie is injured?
Was JB really the only viable option at 15?
RM was being rested so BB at 10.
DH has played what, dozen tests at 12? His use in the squad now is as a utility so maybe best to test him in other positions, like maybe fullback....
Or maybe show more than 50 seconds of trust in SP.
Maybe they wanted experience at 15 & 10.
