All Blacks vs Scotland
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@broughie said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Steve Now and all fairness, and I don't think Havilli is good at 12, when the pack dominates he operated a lot better. But Jordy will be back to 12 for England unless Foster is a twit.
Would there be anyone here who prefers DH at 12 over JB, especially against England? Not me.
We aren't playing England though. Not this game.
I don't get this obsession with expecting the best 23 every game. We have to decide own and develop a full squad for next year. Sometimes there will be a need to shuffle a little. Sometimes it pays off too.
@Crucial said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@broughie said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Steve Now and all fairness, and I don't think Havilli is good at 12, when the pack dominates he operated a lot better. But Jordy will be back to 12 for England unless Foster is a twit.
Would there be anyone here who prefers DH at 12 over JB, especially against England? Not me.
We aren't playing England though. Not this game.
I don't get this obsession with expecting the best 23 every game. We have to decide own and develop a full squad for next year. Sometimes there will be a need to shuffle a little. Sometimes it pays off too.
But don’t make two changes when one will do. Leave Jordie at 12 and let Havili or Perofeta play 15.
Jordie is still in the team . Let him build continuity in the role . Think about how many games nonu and smith played. Look at Ringrose and Henshaw. Owen Farrell. Centres need minutes in the shirt.We can’t have Jordie being a 12 one week and a 15 the next . He should be left at 12 until the World Cup. Sewn up . Signed and sealed.
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@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Daffy-Jaffy said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
Scotland: 15 Stuart Hogg, 14 Darcy Graham, 13 Chris Harris, 12 Sione Tuipulotu, 11 Duhan van der Merwe, 10 Finn Russell, 9 Ali Price, 8 Matt Fagerson, 7 Hamish Watson, 6 Jamie Ritchie (c), 5 Grant Gilchrist, 4 Richie Gray, 3 Zander Fagerson, 2 Fraser Brown, 1 Pierre Schoeman
Replacements: 16 Ewan Ashman, 17 Rory Sutherland, 18 WP Nel, 19 Jonny Gray, 20 Jack Dempsey, 21 Ben White, 22 Blair Kinghorn, 23 Mark BennettIf Scotland can’t do it this time, they never will
That’s their best side
Five test Lions in the backline.
The Fagersons go alright too although making a lame gag at their surnames did get me banned from a FB rugby group.
Scots rugby fans really are snooty, dour, humourless fucks which makes it hard to support them sometimes.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Bovidae I reckon Leicester will need an absolute stormer (and Clarke have a shocker) this week if he's to get a game for the real ABs this tour.
I think it's quite a bit more likely that we'll see Reiko on the left wing than Leicester vs England.
It's almost shaping up for that - otherwise Caleb will start 4 games straight.
Ioane back to the wing is a shit idea
Why? Have you seen how much chaos he causes for the opposition whenever he's shuffled back there? If ALB covers centre to the standard Ioane does, which is highly likely, then it's not as shit an idea as running a bumbling Clarke there.
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Bovidae I reckon Leicester will need an absolute stormer (and Clarke have a shocker) this week if he's to get a game for the real ABs this tour.
I think it's quite a bit more likely that we'll see Reiko on the left wing than Leicester vs England.
It's almost shaping up for that - otherwise Caleb will start 4 games straight.
Ioane back to the wing is a shit idea
Why? Have you seen how much chaos he causes for the opposition whenever he's shuffled back there? If ALB covers centre to the standard Ioane does, which is highly likely, then it's not as shit an idea as running a bumbling Clarke there.
I’ve never seen such an uninspiring crop of allblack wingers over the last 5 years or so.
Hang on, why was George Bridge playing instead of Rieko at RWC 2019?
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Ok maybe it's a shit idea @mariner4life
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I've never been a fan of the Havili/ALB midfield because they are much too similar players, their skillsets don't compliment each other, there's no point of difference, lightweight sideways running, who crab across the field away from their support...
@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
I've never been a fan of the Havili/ALB midfield because they are much too similar players, their skillsets don't compliment each other, there's no point of difference, lightweight sideways running, who crab across the field away from their support...
I can see them getting chewed up early doors. Driven backwards. Lots of behind the gain line scrambling and then Beaudy trying silly chip kicks to no one.
The crowd will have their dander up too and it will be a scrappy affair. Wouldn’t be surprised if Telea barely touched the ball.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
DH is a complete waste of time at 12, we know he can't mix it with the top sides so why are we playing him there again? Should be 15 or on the bench. We need to be investing all of our time into Jordie, Rieko and ALB in the midfield to build combinations. Very frustrating selection.
He's the backup 12. What's the big issue with him getting a start?
We have two games left in the season, Jordie is new at 12 at test level, why the hell wouldn't we give him as much time in the position as possible? All the chopping and changing of positions is why our players don't settle into a role/position.
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
DH is a complete waste of time at 12, we know he can't mix it with the top sides so why are we playing him there again? Should be 15 or on the bench. We need to be investing all of our time into Jordie, Rieko and ALB in the midfield to build combinations. Very frustrating selection.
He's the backup 12. What's the big issue with him getting a start?
We have two games left in the season, Jordie is new at 12 at test level, why the hell wouldn't we give him as much time in the position as possible? All the chopping and changing of positions is why our players don't settle into a role/position.
They could have drafted McKenzie in to 15 if they weren’t happy with Havili or Perofeta at fullback.
LEAVE JORDIE AT 12
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
DH is a complete waste of time at 12, we know he can't mix it with the top sides so why are we playing him there again? Should be 15 or on the bench. We need to be investing all of our time into Jordie, Rieko and ALB in the midfield to build combinations. Very frustrating selection.
He's the backup 12. What's the big issue with him getting a start?
We have two games left in the season, Jordie is new at 12 at test level, why the hell wouldn't we give him as much time in the position as possible? All the chopping and changing of positions is why our players don't settle into a role/position.
They could have drafted McKenzie in to 15 if they weren’t happy with Havili or Perofeta at fullback.
LEAVE JORDIE AT 12
@Steve said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
DH is a complete waste of time at 12, we know he can't mix it with the top sides so why are we playing him there again? Should be 15 or on the bench. We need to be investing all of our time into Jordie, Rieko and ALB in the midfield to build combinations. Very frustrating selection.
He's the backup 12. What's the big issue with him getting a start?
We have two games left in the season, Jordie is new at 12 at test level, why the hell wouldn't we give him as much time in the position as possible? All the chopping and changing of positions is why our players don't settle into a role/position.
They could have drafted McKenzie in to 15 if they weren’t happy with Havili or Perofeta at fullback.
LEAVE JORDIE AT 12
I don't like McKenzie at 15 for the ABs. Strap some big balls on and play Zarn Sullivan.
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Interesting team
Hope Telea goes well to provide another wing option as I don't rate Reece
Biggest disappointment for me is Aumua not getting a run at least in the reserves. Coles is injury prone now so he's one injury away from being in the reserves. Unless Ryan has another Crusader lined up.
@Winger said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
Interesting team
Hope Telea goes well to provide another wing option as I don't rate Reece
Biggest disappointment for me is Aumua not getting a run at least in the reserves. Coles is injury prone now so he's one injury away from being in the reserves. Unless Ryan has another Crusader lined up.
He’s playing in the AB XV
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I have to admit I find it a bit disrespectful to Scotland to make that many changes. Japan was for trialling players, surely these professionals can handle 3 games in a row at the end of the season. Midfield has been our biggest weakness since 15, let JB and RI play as many games together as possible. I really cannot see any point in playing DH at 12.
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I have to admit I find it a bit disrespectful to Scotland to make that many changes. Japan was for trialling players, surely these professionals can handle 3 games in a row at the end of the season. Midfield has been our biggest weakness since 15, let JB and RI play as many games together as possible. I really cannot see any point in playing DH at 12.
@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
I have to admit I find it a bit disrespectful to Scotland to make that many changes.
I don't think they'll mind if they beat us.
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I have to admit I find it a bit disrespectful to Scotland to make that many changes. Japan was for trialling players, surely these professionals can handle 3 games in a row at the end of the season. Midfield has been our biggest weakness since 15, let JB and RI play as many games together as possible. I really cannot see any point in playing DH at 12.
@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
I have to admit I find it a bit disrespectful to Scotland to make that many changes. Japan was for trialling players, surely these professionals can handle 3 games in a row at the end of the season. Midfield has been our biggest weakness since 15, let JB and RI play as many games together as possible. I really cannot see any point in playing DH at 12.
Ok but if we beat them is it still dusruspict? Is that you Ngani?
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@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
I have to admit I find it a bit disrespectful to Scotland to make that many changes.
I don't think they'll mind if they beat us.
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
I have to admit I find it a bit disrespectful to Scotland to make that many changes.
I don't think they'll mind if they beat us.
Actually, I'll retract this. They won't mind beating us, but the layer of disrespect will make the victory all the sweeter to those curmudgeonly bodaches..
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@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
I have to admit I find it a bit disrespectful to Scotland to make that many changes. Japan was for trialling players, surely these professionals can handle 3 games in a row at the end of the season. Midfield has been our biggest weakness since 15, let JB and RI play as many games together as possible. I really cannot see any point in playing DH at 12.
Ok but if we beat them is it still dusruspict? Is that you Ngani?
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
I have to admit I find it a bit disrespectful to Scotland to make that many changes. Japan was for trialling players, surely these professionals can handle 3 games in a row at the end of the season. Midfield has been our biggest weakness since 15, let JB and RI play as many games together as possible. I really cannot see any point in playing DH at 12.
Ok but if we beat them is it still disrespect? Is that you Ngani?
I would say yes, if you don't put out your strongest side vs the 8th ranked team in the world suggests a little bit of arrogance and disrespect.
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@Bones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
I have to admit I find it a bit disrespectful to Scotland to make that many changes. Japan was for trialling players, surely these professionals can handle 3 games in a row at the end of the season. Midfield has been our biggest weakness since 15, let JB and RI play as many games together as possible. I really cannot see any point in playing DH at 12.
Ok but if we beat them is it still disrespect? Is that you Ngani?
I would say yes, if you don't put out your strongest side vs the 8th ranked team in the world suggests a little bit of arrogance and disrespect.
@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
I have to admit I find it a bit disrespectful to Scotland to make that many changes. Japan was for trialling players, surely these professionals can handle 3 games in a row at the end of the season. Midfield has been our biggest weakness since 15, let JB and RI play as many games together as possible. I really cannot see any point in playing DH at 12.
Ok but if we beat them is it still disrespect? Is that you Ngani?
I would say yes, if you don't put out your strongest side vs the 8th ranked team in the world suggests a little bit of arrogance and disrespect.
Especially if you beat them.
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@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
I have to admit I find it a bit disrespectful to Scotland to make that many changes. Japan was for trialling players, surely these professionals can handle 3 games in a row at the end of the season. Midfield has been our biggest weakness since 15, let JB and RI play as many games together as possible. I really cannot see any point in playing DH at 12.
Ok but if we beat them is it still disrespect? Is that you Ngani?
I would say yes, if you don't put out your strongest side vs the 8th ranked team in the world suggests a little bit of arrogance and disrespect.
Especially if you beat them.
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@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Bones In Foster we trust.
Hah. Yeah Foster wrin...Rin.... making lots of selection changes against a second tier side is quite the departure from how other coaches have faced up to the eoyt.
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Bones In Foster we trust.
Hah. Yeah Foster wrin...Rin.... making lots of selection changes against a second tier side is quite the departure from how other coaches have faced up to the eoyt.
I guess that is the difference, I believe Scotland are Tier 1 at the moment and we had plenty of time to tinker vs Japan.
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@Bones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Bones In Foster we trust.
Hah. Yeah Foster wrin...Rin.... making lots of selection changes against a second tier side is quite the departure from how other coaches have faced up to the eoyt.
I guess that is the difference, I believe Scotland are Tier 1 at the moment and we had plenty of time to tinker vs Japan.
@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Bones In Foster we trust.
Hah. Yeah Foster wrin...Rin.... making lots of selection changes against a second tier side is quite the departure from how other coaches have faced up to the eoyt.
I guess that is the difference, I believe Scotland are Tier 1 at the moment and we had plenty of time to tinker vs Japan.
I don't think they're any better than the last few times we've faced them.
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Are there really that many changes?
Up until a few tests ago Havili was our best 12 and Jordie our best 15.
There's no clear owner of the 6 jersey so it could well be argued it's the strongest loose forward trio.
The centre has played 58 tests.
Our best hooker is starting.
Hardly screams disrespect.
