All Blacks vs Scotland
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
DH is a complete waste of time at 12, we know he can't mix it with the top sides so why are we playing him there again? Should be 15 or on the bench. We need to be investing all of our time into Jordie, Rieko and ALB in the midfield to build combinations. Very frustrating selection.
He's the backup 12. What's the big issue with him getting a start?
We have two games left in the season, Jordie is new at 12 at test level, why the hell wouldn't we give him as much time in the position as possible? All the chopping and changing of positions is why our players don't settle into a role/position.
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
DH is a complete waste of time at 12, we know he can't mix it with the top sides so why are we playing him there again? Should be 15 or on the bench. We need to be investing all of our time into Jordie, Rieko and ALB in the midfield to build combinations. Very frustrating selection.
He's the backup 12. What's the big issue with him getting a start?
We have two games left in the season, Jordie is new at 12 at test level, why the hell wouldn't we give him as much time in the position as possible? All the chopping and changing of positions is why our players don't settle into a role/position.
They could have drafted McKenzie in to 15 if they weren’t happy with Havili or Perofeta at fullback.
LEAVE JORDIE AT 12
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
DH is a complete waste of time at 12, we know he can't mix it with the top sides so why are we playing him there again? Should be 15 or on the bench. We need to be investing all of our time into Jordie, Rieko and ALB in the midfield to build combinations. Very frustrating selection.
He's the backup 12. What's the big issue with him getting a start?
We have two games left in the season, Jordie is new at 12 at test level, why the hell wouldn't we give him as much time in the position as possible? All the chopping and changing of positions is why our players don't settle into a role/position.
They could have drafted McKenzie in to 15 if they weren’t happy with Havili or Perofeta at fullback.
LEAVE JORDIE AT 12
@Steve said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
DH is a complete waste of time at 12, we know he can't mix it with the top sides so why are we playing him there again? Should be 15 or on the bench. We need to be investing all of our time into Jordie, Rieko and ALB in the midfield to build combinations. Very frustrating selection.
He's the backup 12. What's the big issue with him getting a start?
We have two games left in the season, Jordie is new at 12 at test level, why the hell wouldn't we give him as much time in the position as possible? All the chopping and changing of positions is why our players don't settle into a role/position.
They could have drafted McKenzie in to 15 if they weren’t happy with Havili or Perofeta at fullback.
LEAVE JORDIE AT 12
I don't like McKenzie at 15 for the ABs. Strap some big balls on and play Zarn Sullivan.
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Interesting team
Hope Telea goes well to provide another wing option as I don't rate Reece
Biggest disappointment for me is Aumua not getting a run at least in the reserves. Coles is injury prone now so he's one injury away from being in the reserves. Unless Ryan has another Crusader lined up.
@Winger said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
Interesting team
Hope Telea goes well to provide another wing option as I don't rate Reece
Biggest disappointment for me is Aumua not getting a run at least in the reserves. Coles is injury prone now so he's one injury away from being in the reserves. Unless Ryan has another Crusader lined up.
He’s playing in the AB XV
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I have to admit I find it a bit disrespectful to Scotland to make that many changes. Japan was for trialling players, surely these professionals can handle 3 games in a row at the end of the season. Midfield has been our biggest weakness since 15, let JB and RI play as many games together as possible. I really cannot see any point in playing DH at 12.
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I have to admit I find it a bit disrespectful to Scotland to make that many changes. Japan was for trialling players, surely these professionals can handle 3 games in a row at the end of the season. Midfield has been our biggest weakness since 15, let JB and RI play as many games together as possible. I really cannot see any point in playing DH at 12.
@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
I have to admit I find it a bit disrespectful to Scotland to make that many changes.
I don't think they'll mind if they beat us.
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I have to admit I find it a bit disrespectful to Scotland to make that many changes. Japan was for trialling players, surely these professionals can handle 3 games in a row at the end of the season. Midfield has been our biggest weakness since 15, let JB and RI play as many games together as possible. I really cannot see any point in playing DH at 12.
@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
I have to admit I find it a bit disrespectful to Scotland to make that many changes. Japan was for trialling players, surely these professionals can handle 3 games in a row at the end of the season. Midfield has been our biggest weakness since 15, let JB and RI play as many games together as possible. I really cannot see any point in playing DH at 12.
Ok but if we beat them is it still dusruspict? Is that you Ngani?
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@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
I have to admit I find it a bit disrespectful to Scotland to make that many changes.
I don't think they'll mind if they beat us.
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
I have to admit I find it a bit disrespectful to Scotland to make that many changes.
I don't think they'll mind if they beat us.
Actually, I'll retract this. They won't mind beating us, but the layer of disrespect will make the victory all the sweeter to those curmudgeonly bodaches..
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@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
I have to admit I find it a bit disrespectful to Scotland to make that many changes. Japan was for trialling players, surely these professionals can handle 3 games in a row at the end of the season. Midfield has been our biggest weakness since 15, let JB and RI play as many games together as possible. I really cannot see any point in playing DH at 12.
Ok but if we beat them is it still dusruspict? Is that you Ngani?
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
I have to admit I find it a bit disrespectful to Scotland to make that many changes. Japan was for trialling players, surely these professionals can handle 3 games in a row at the end of the season. Midfield has been our biggest weakness since 15, let JB and RI play as many games together as possible. I really cannot see any point in playing DH at 12.
Ok but if we beat them is it still disrespect? Is that you Ngani?
I would say yes, if you don't put out your strongest side vs the 8th ranked team in the world suggests a little bit of arrogance and disrespect.
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@Bones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
I have to admit I find it a bit disrespectful to Scotland to make that many changes. Japan was for trialling players, surely these professionals can handle 3 games in a row at the end of the season. Midfield has been our biggest weakness since 15, let JB and RI play as many games together as possible. I really cannot see any point in playing DH at 12.
Ok but if we beat them is it still disrespect? Is that you Ngani?
I would say yes, if you don't put out your strongest side vs the 8th ranked team in the world suggests a little bit of arrogance and disrespect.
@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
I have to admit I find it a bit disrespectful to Scotland to make that many changes. Japan was for trialling players, surely these professionals can handle 3 games in a row at the end of the season. Midfield has been our biggest weakness since 15, let JB and RI play as many games together as possible. I really cannot see any point in playing DH at 12.
Ok but if we beat them is it still disrespect? Is that you Ngani?
I would say yes, if you don't put out your strongest side vs the 8th ranked team in the world suggests a little bit of arrogance and disrespect.
Especially if you beat them.
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@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
I have to admit I find it a bit disrespectful to Scotland to make that many changes. Japan was for trialling players, surely these professionals can handle 3 games in a row at the end of the season. Midfield has been our biggest weakness since 15, let JB and RI play as many games together as possible. I really cannot see any point in playing DH at 12.
Ok but if we beat them is it still disrespect? Is that you Ngani?
I would say yes, if you don't put out your strongest side vs the 8th ranked team in the world suggests a little bit of arrogance and disrespect.
Especially if you beat them.
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@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Bones In Foster we trust.
Hah. Yeah Foster wrin...Rin.... making lots of selection changes against a second tier side is quite the departure from how other coaches have faced up to the eoyt.
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Bones In Foster we trust.
Hah. Yeah Foster wrin...Rin.... making lots of selection changes against a second tier side is quite the departure from how other coaches have faced up to the eoyt.
I guess that is the difference, I believe Scotland are Tier 1 at the moment and we had plenty of time to tinker vs Japan.
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@Bones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Bones In Foster we trust.
Hah. Yeah Foster wrin...Rin.... making lots of selection changes against a second tier side is quite the departure from how other coaches have faced up to the eoyt.
I guess that is the difference, I believe Scotland are Tier 1 at the moment and we had plenty of time to tinker vs Japan.
@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Bones In Foster we trust.
Hah. Yeah Foster wrin...Rin.... making lots of selection changes against a second tier side is quite the departure from how other coaches have faced up to the eoyt.
I guess that is the difference, I believe Scotland are Tier 1 at the moment and we had plenty of time to tinker vs Japan.
I don't think they're any better than the last few times we've faced them.
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Are there really that many changes?
Up until a few tests ago Havili was our best 12 and Jordie our best 15.
There's no clear owner of the 6 jersey so it could well be argued it's the strongest loose forward trio.
The centre has played 58 tests.
Our best hooker is starting.
Hardly screams disrespect.
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Are there really that many changes?
Up until a few tests ago Havili was our best 12 and Jordie our best 15.
There's no clear owner of the 6 jersey so it could well be argued it's the strongest loose forward trio.
The centre has played 58 tests.
Our best hooker is starting.
Hardly screams disrespect.
@KiwiMurph just on the midfield I think Foster wants two very good combinations to call on should there be injury or illness (much like Hansen and Henry wanted) and Jordie/Ioane and Havili/ALB. Not about disrespect or cheapening the jersey.
Starting front row. Two first choice locks. Best available 7 and 8. A 6 that has started or been a bench option.
An 90 test 1st 5. Our best fullback. First choice left wing and a debutant on the right.
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The 10, 12, 13, combo is so bad… both Havili and ALB are more playmakers than guys who can carry hard. And they'll be getting average ball cause BB will be shuffling it across.
BB plays so much better with a hard runner at 12.. and his brother happens to be our best 12.. makes way too much sense to start them together.
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Are there really that many changes?
Up until a few tests ago Havili was our best 12 and Jordie our best 15.
There's no clear owner of the 6 jersey so it could well be argued it's the strongest loose forward trio.
The centre has played 58 tests.
Our best hooker is starting.
Hardly screams disrespect.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
Are there really that many changes?
Up until a few tests ago Havili was our best 12 and Jordie our best 15.
There's no clear owner of the 6 jersey so it could well be argued it's the strongest loose forward trio.
The centre has played 58 tests.
Our best hooker is starting.
Hardly screams disrespect.
Plus we're sending them out trained by NZ's best men's rugby coach. :fishing_pole:
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The 10, 12, 13, combo is so bad… both Havili and ALB are more playmakers than guys who can carry hard. And they'll be getting average ball cause BB will be shuffling it across.
BB plays so much better with a hard runner at 12.. and his brother happens to be our best 12.. makes way too much sense to start them together.
@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
The 10, 12, 13, combo is so bad… both Havili and ALB are more playmakers than guys who can carry hard. And they'll be getting average ball cause BB will be shuffling it across.
BB plays so much better with a hard runner at 12.. and his brother happens to be our best 12.. makes way too much sense to start them together.
They should be used to that with RM shuffling it across? They might have a bit more time with BB as he won’t try a touch style side step backwards first.
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I think some of comments on this selection are infected by anti Fozzie hate rather than rational thinking on team selection (aside from my complaining about Frizell, that is clearly rational). We often play a closer to B team against Scotland. In 2014 we threw out Slade on the wing, Thrush and Bird as our locks, and some dude call McCaw at 6.
I'm not sure we've ever put out an A team against them on an EOYT.
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@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
The 10, 12, 13, combo is so bad… both Havili and ALB are more playmakers than guys who can carry hard. And they'll be getting average ball cause BB will be shuffling it across.
BB plays so much better with a hard runner at 12.. and his brother happens to be our best 12.. makes way too much sense to start them together.
They should be used to that with RM shuffling it across? They might have a bit more time with BB as he won’t try a touch style side step backwards first.
@Kirwan said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
The 10, 12, 13, combo is so bad… both Havili and ALB are more playmakers than guys who can carry hard. And they'll be getting average ball cause BB will be shuffling it across.
BB plays so much better with a hard runner at 12.. and his brother happens to be our best 12.. makes way too much sense to start them together.
They should be used to that with RM shuffling it across? They might have a bit more time with BB as he won’t try a touch style side step backwards first.
He likes to just stop instead
