All Blacks vs Scotland
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@canefan said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
I've never been a fan of the Havili/ALB midfield because they are much too similar players, their skillsets don't compliment each other, there's no point of difference, lightweight sideways running, who crab across the field away from their support...
That’s offset by BB’s direct running from ten, a big pro of his game over RM.
My recollection of the Ireland series was more crab running and our 10 and 12 not complimenting each other.
Someone has to straighten the attack. And that player shouldn't be the 10. Maybe we will play a similar pattern to last week and get to see DH running straight and hard
DH running straight and hard typically results in DH being driven back 2m in the tackle.
As much as I don't like DH at 12, I certainly hope they tailor the game plan to suit his skills. Using him in the se manner that we use JB would be idiocy
@voodoo said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
I've never been a fan of the Havili/ALB midfield because they are much too similar players, their skillsets don't compliment each other, there's no point of difference, lightweight sideways running, who crab across the field away from their support...
That’s offset by BB’s direct running from ten, a big pro of his game over RM.
My recollection of the Ireland series was more crab running and our 10 and 12 not complimenting each other.
Someone has to straighten the attack. And that player shouldn't be the 10. Maybe we will play a similar pattern to last week and get to see DH running straight and hard
DH running straight and hard typically results in DH being driven back 2m in the tackle.
As much as I don't like DH at 12, I certainly hope they tailor the game plan to suit his skills. Using him in the se manner that we use JB would be idiocy
He’s up against prood Scotsman Sione Tuipulotu who is certainly no shrinking violet. I do wonder if Havili is up to it.
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@Canes4life it has been mentioned as a reason why the team was not named on Thursday, or whatever day they are supposed to do it
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Canes4life it has been mentioned as a reason why the team was not named on Thursday, or whatever day they are supposed to do it
Been a busy week so haven’t been reading the thread much. Will be nice to have a day game in Scotland for once.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Canes4life it has been mentioned as a reason why the team was not named on Thursday, or whatever day they are supposed to do it
Been a busy week so haven’t been reading the thread much. Will be nice to have a day game in Scotland for once.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Canes4life it has been mentioned as a reason why the team was not named on Thursday, or whatever day they are supposed to do it
Been a busy week so haven’t been reading the thread much. Will be nice to have a day game in Scotland for once.
Some of us have to get up for work on Mondee though.
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Scotland: 15 Stuart Hogg, 14 Darcy Graham, 13 Chris Harris, 12 Sione Tuipulotu, 11 Duhan van der Merwe, 10 Finn Russell, 9 Ali Price, 8 Matt Fagerson, 7 Hamish Watson, 6 Jamie Ritchie (c), 5 Grant Gilchrist, 4 Richie Gray, 3 Zander Fagerson, 2 Fraser Brown, 1 Pierre Schoeman
Replacements: 16 Ewan Ashman, 17 Rory Sutherland, 18 WP Nel, 19 Jonny Gray, 20 Jack Dempsey, 21 Ben White, 22 Blair Kinghorn, 23 Mark Bennett@Daffy-Jaffy said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
Scotland: 15 Stuart Hogg, 14 Darcy Graham, 13 Chris Harris, 12 Sione Tuipulotu, 11 Duhan van der Merwe, 10 Finn Russell, 9 Ali Price, 8 Matt Fagerson, 7 Hamish Watson, 6 Jamie Ritchie (c), 5 Grant Gilchrist, 4 Richie Gray, 3 Zander Fagerson, 2 Fraser Brown, 1 Pierre Schoeman
Replacements: 16 Ewan Ashman, 17 Rory Sutherland, 18 WP Nel, 19 Jonny Gray, 20 Jack Dempsey, 21 Ben White, 22 Blair Kinghorn, 23 Mark BennettIf Scotland can’t do it this time, they never will
That’s their best side
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@Daffy-Jaffy said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
Scotland: 15 Stuart Hogg, 14 Darcy Graham, 13 Chris Harris, 12 Sione Tuipulotu, 11 Duhan van der Merwe, 10 Finn Russell, 9 Ali Price, 8 Matt Fagerson, 7 Hamish Watson, 6 Jamie Ritchie (c), 5 Grant Gilchrist, 4 Richie Gray, 3 Zander Fagerson, 2 Fraser Brown, 1 Pierre Schoeman
Replacements: 16 Ewan Ashman, 17 Rory Sutherland, 18 WP Nel, 19 Jonny Gray, 20 Jack Dempsey, 21 Ben White, 22 Blair Kinghorn, 23 Mark BennettIf Scotland can’t do it this time, they never will
That’s their best side
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Daffy-Jaffy said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
Scotland: 15 Stuart Hogg, 14 Darcy Graham, 13 Chris Harris, 12 Sione Tuipulotu, 11 Duhan van der Merwe, 10 Finn Russell, 9 Ali Price, 8 Matt Fagerson, 7 Hamish Watson, 6 Jamie Ritchie (c), 5 Grant Gilchrist, 4 Richie Gray, 3 Zander Fagerson, 2 Fraser Brown, 1 Pierre Schoeman
Replacements: 16 Ewan Ashman, 17 Rory Sutherland, 18 WP Nel, 19 Jonny Gray, 20 Jack Dempsey, 21 Ben White, 22 Blair Kinghorn, 23 Mark BennettIf Scotland can’t do it this time, they never will
That’s their best side
Five test Lions in the backline.
The Fagersons go alright too although making a lame gag at their surnames did get me banned from a FB rugby group.
Scots rugby fans really are snooty, dour, humourless fucks which makes it hard to support them sometimes.
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Quick question, with Clark's skillet being power and strength, why don't we see more of him coming in off his wing off 10/12? I'd have thought he'd be well suited to running that line off his wing off set piece.
@voodoo said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
Quick question, with Clark's skillet being power and strength, why don't we see more of him coming in off his wing off 10/12? I'd have thought he'd be well suited to running that line off his wing off set piece.
He did that in the last game.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Canes4life it has been mentioned as a reason why the team was not named on Thursday, or whatever day they are supposed to do it
Been a busy week so haven’t been reading the thread much. Will be nice to have a day game in Scotland for once.
Some of us have to get up for work on Mondee though.
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Canes4life it has been mentioned as a reason why the team was not named on Thursday, or whatever day they are supposed to do it
Been a busy week so haven’t been reading the thread much. Will be nice to have a day game in Scotland for once.
Some of us have to get up for work on Mondee though.
As will I so might have to tape it potentially.
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@voodoo said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
Quick question, with Clark's skillet being power and strength, why don't we see more of him coming in off his wing off 10/12? I'd have thought he'd be well suited to running that line off his wing off set piece.
He did that in the last game.
@Kirwan said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@voodoo said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
Quick question, with Clark's skillet being power and strength, why don't we see more of him coming in off his wing off 10/12? I'd have thought he'd be well suited to running that line off his wing off set piece.
He did that in the last game.
Sheesh, someone else reading the Fern and stealing our ideas
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@broughie said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Steve Now and all fairness, and I don't think Havilli is good at 12, when the pack dominates he operated a lot better. But Jordy will be back to 12 for England unless Foster is a twit.
Would there be anyone here who prefers DH at 12 over JB, especially against England? Not me.
We aren't playing England though. Not this game.
I don't get this obsession with expecting the best 23 every game. We have to decide own and develop a full squad for next year. Sometimes there will be a need to shuffle a little. Sometimes it pays off too.
@Crucial said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@broughie said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Steve Now and all fairness, and I don't think Havilli is good at 12, when the pack dominates he operated a lot better. But Jordy will be back to 12 for England unless Foster is a twit.
Would there be anyone here who prefers DH at 12 over JB, especially against England? Not me.
We aren't playing England though. Not this game.
I don't get this obsession with expecting the best 23 every game. We have to decide own and develop a full squad for next year. Sometimes there will be a need to shuffle a little. Sometimes it pays off too.
But don’t make two changes when one will do. Leave Jordie at 12 and let Havili or Perofeta play 15.
Jordie is still in the team . Let him build continuity in the role . Think about how many games nonu and smith played. Look at Ringrose and Henshaw. Owen Farrell. Centres need minutes in the shirt.We can’t have Jordie being a 12 one week and a 15 the next . He should be left at 12 until the World Cup. Sewn up . Signed and sealed.
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@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Daffy-Jaffy said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
Scotland: 15 Stuart Hogg, 14 Darcy Graham, 13 Chris Harris, 12 Sione Tuipulotu, 11 Duhan van der Merwe, 10 Finn Russell, 9 Ali Price, 8 Matt Fagerson, 7 Hamish Watson, 6 Jamie Ritchie (c), 5 Grant Gilchrist, 4 Richie Gray, 3 Zander Fagerson, 2 Fraser Brown, 1 Pierre Schoeman
Replacements: 16 Ewan Ashman, 17 Rory Sutherland, 18 WP Nel, 19 Jonny Gray, 20 Jack Dempsey, 21 Ben White, 22 Blair Kinghorn, 23 Mark BennettIf Scotland can’t do it this time, they never will
That’s their best side
Five test Lions in the backline.
The Fagersons go alright too although making a lame gag at their surnames did get me banned from a FB rugby group.
Scots rugby fans really are snooty, dour, humourless fucks which makes it hard to support them sometimes.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Bovidae I reckon Leicester will need an absolute stormer (and Clarke have a shocker) this week if he's to get a game for the real ABs this tour.
I think it's quite a bit more likely that we'll see Reiko on the left wing than Leicester vs England.
It's almost shaping up for that - otherwise Caleb will start 4 games straight.
Ioane back to the wing is a shit idea
Why? Have you seen how much chaos he causes for the opposition whenever he's shuffled back there? If ALB covers centre to the standard Ioane does, which is highly likely, then it's not as shit an idea as running a bumbling Clarke there.
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Bovidae I reckon Leicester will need an absolute stormer (and Clarke have a shocker) this week if he's to get a game for the real ABs this tour.
I think it's quite a bit more likely that we'll see Reiko on the left wing than Leicester vs England.
It's almost shaping up for that - otherwise Caleb will start 4 games straight.
Ioane back to the wing is a shit idea
Why? Have you seen how much chaos he causes for the opposition whenever he's shuffled back there? If ALB covers centre to the standard Ioane does, which is highly likely, then it's not as shit an idea as running a bumbling Clarke there.
I’ve never seen such an uninspiring crop of allblack wingers over the last 5 years or so.
Hang on, why was George Bridge playing instead of Rieko at RWC 2019?
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Ok maybe it's a shit idea @mariner4life
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I've never been a fan of the Havili/ALB midfield because they are much too similar players, their skillsets don't compliment each other, there's no point of difference, lightweight sideways running, who crab across the field away from their support...
@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
I've never been a fan of the Havili/ALB midfield because they are much too similar players, their skillsets don't compliment each other, there's no point of difference, lightweight sideways running, who crab across the field away from their support...
I can see them getting chewed up early doors. Driven backwards. Lots of behind the gain line scrambling and then Beaudy trying silly chip kicks to no one.
The crowd will have their dander up too and it will be a scrappy affair. Wouldn’t be surprised if Telea barely touched the ball.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
DH is a complete waste of time at 12, we know he can't mix it with the top sides so why are we playing him there again? Should be 15 or on the bench. We need to be investing all of our time into Jordie, Rieko and ALB in the midfield to build combinations. Very frustrating selection.
He's the backup 12. What's the big issue with him getting a start?
We have two games left in the season, Jordie is new at 12 at test level, why the hell wouldn't we give him as much time in the position as possible? All the chopping and changing of positions is why our players don't settle into a role/position.
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
DH is a complete waste of time at 12, we know he can't mix it with the top sides so why are we playing him there again? Should be 15 or on the bench. We need to be investing all of our time into Jordie, Rieko and ALB in the midfield to build combinations. Very frustrating selection.
He's the backup 12. What's the big issue with him getting a start?
We have two games left in the season, Jordie is new at 12 at test level, why the hell wouldn't we give him as much time in the position as possible? All the chopping and changing of positions is why our players don't settle into a role/position.
They could have drafted McKenzie in to 15 if they weren’t happy with Havili or Perofeta at fullback.
LEAVE JORDIE AT 12
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
DH is a complete waste of time at 12, we know he can't mix it with the top sides so why are we playing him there again? Should be 15 or on the bench. We need to be investing all of our time into Jordie, Rieko and ALB in the midfield to build combinations. Very frustrating selection.
He's the backup 12. What's the big issue with him getting a start?
We have two games left in the season, Jordie is new at 12 at test level, why the hell wouldn't we give him as much time in the position as possible? All the chopping and changing of positions is why our players don't settle into a role/position.
They could have drafted McKenzie in to 15 if they weren’t happy with Havili or Perofeta at fullback.
LEAVE JORDIE AT 12
@Steve said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
DH is a complete waste of time at 12, we know he can't mix it with the top sides so why are we playing him there again? Should be 15 or on the bench. We need to be investing all of our time into Jordie, Rieko and ALB in the midfield to build combinations. Very frustrating selection.
He's the backup 12. What's the big issue with him getting a start?
We have two games left in the season, Jordie is new at 12 at test level, why the hell wouldn't we give him as much time in the position as possible? All the chopping and changing of positions is why our players don't settle into a role/position.
They could have drafted McKenzie in to 15 if they weren’t happy with Havili or Perofeta at fullback.
LEAVE JORDIE AT 12
I don't like McKenzie at 15 for the ABs. Strap some big balls on and play Zarn Sullivan.
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Interesting team
Hope Telea goes well to provide another wing option as I don't rate Reece
Biggest disappointment for me is Aumua not getting a run at least in the reserves. Coles is injury prone now so he's one injury away from being in the reserves. Unless Ryan has another Crusader lined up.
@Winger said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
Interesting team
Hope Telea goes well to provide another wing option as I don't rate Reece
Biggest disappointment for me is Aumua not getting a run at least in the reserves. Coles is injury prone now so he's one injury away from being in the reserves. Unless Ryan has another Crusader lined up.
He’s playing in the AB XV
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I have to admit I find it a bit disrespectful to Scotland to make that many changes. Japan was for trialling players, surely these professionals can handle 3 games in a row at the end of the season. Midfield has been our biggest weakness since 15, let JB and RI play as many games together as possible. I really cannot see any point in playing DH at 12.
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I have to admit I find it a bit disrespectful to Scotland to make that many changes. Japan was for trialling players, surely these professionals can handle 3 games in a row at the end of the season. Midfield has been our biggest weakness since 15, let JB and RI play as many games together as possible. I really cannot see any point in playing DH at 12.
@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
I have to admit I find it a bit disrespectful to Scotland to make that many changes.
I don't think they'll mind if they beat us.
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I have to admit I find it a bit disrespectful to Scotland to make that many changes. Japan was for trialling players, surely these professionals can handle 3 games in a row at the end of the season. Midfield has been our biggest weakness since 15, let JB and RI play as many games together as possible. I really cannot see any point in playing DH at 12.
@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
I have to admit I find it a bit disrespectful to Scotland to make that many changes. Japan was for trialling players, surely these professionals can handle 3 games in a row at the end of the season. Midfield has been our biggest weakness since 15, let JB and RI play as many games together as possible. I really cannot see any point in playing DH at 12.
Ok but if we beat them is it still dusruspict? Is that you Ngani?
