It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.
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@mariner4life said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
Wracking my brain trying to think of another professional sports coach who has the job for a full season knowing he's not wanted?
Very strange fucking time
I actually don't know how I feel about it to be honest.
I want to believe everyone is a stone cold professional and just gets on with the job. But that's fantasy.
If Foster isn't their guy he shouldn't be there now.It's all ridiculous really.
That's my point. I'm not grizzling on behalf of Foster, I'm stating the obvious. All those posts claiming that players will want to perform are correct. Step away from the extremes/simplistic views for a moment and you'll note that there is a little seed put in their heads that the guy telling them that they can win if they do what he says doesn't really have the full support of the bosses who are more than happy to sit and grin alongside their new hire.
That little seed could mean that the team aren't fully on song.
Surely there were better ways to do this. The interview/selection process appears to have been a done deal (and don't we just hate those?) so why not keep it under wraps?
More Mark Robinson mess IMO.
I do agree that a change of coach is needed but also think that if you aren't going to change the incumbent then full support means full support not praising how you think someone else will do a better job.@Crucial said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@mariner4life said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
Wracking my brain trying to think of another professional sports coach who has the job for a full season knowing he's not wanted?
Very strange fucking time
I actually don't know how I feel about it to be honest.
I want to believe everyone is a stone cold professional and just gets on with the job. But that's fantasy.
If Foster isn't their guy he shouldn't be there now.It's all ridiculous really.
That's my point. I'm not grizzling on behalf of Foster, I'm stating the obvious. All those posts claiming that players will want to perform are correct. Step away from the extremes/simplistic views for a moment and you'll note that there is a little seed put in their heads that the guy telling them that they can win if they do what he says doesn't really have the full support of the bosses who are more than happy to sit and grin alongside their new hire.
That little seed could mean that the team aren't fully on song.
Surely there were better ways to do this. The interview/selection process appears to have been a done deal (and don't we just hate those?) so why not keep it under wraps?
More Mark Robinson mess IMO.
I do agree that a change of coach is needed but also think that if you aren't going to change the incumbent then full support means full support not praising how you think someone else will do a better job.On the other hand, everyone knew Fozzie was dead in the water unless he won the RWC and maybe even then.
The Fern had nearly 6,000 posts on the Fozzie Robertson thread, so imagine what the conversations were around the pro rugby dressing rooms and "who had heard what".
If you've ever gone through a big institutional restructuring you'll know how productivity falls away around the water cooler - until there is certainty.
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@Crucial said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@mariner4life said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
Wracking my brain trying to think of another professional sports coach who has the job for a full season knowing he's not wanted?
Very strange fucking time
I actually don't know how I feel about it to be honest.
I want to believe everyone is a stone cold professional and just gets on with the job. But that's fantasy.
If Foster isn't their guy he shouldn't be there now.It's all ridiculous really.
That's my point. I'm not grizzling on behalf of Foster, I'm stating the obvious. All those posts claiming that players will want to perform are correct. Step away from the extremes/simplistic views for a moment and you'll note that there is a little seed put in their heads that the guy telling them that they can win if they do what he says doesn't really have the full support of the bosses who are more than happy to sit and grin alongside their new hire.
That little seed could mean that the team aren't fully on song.
Surely there were better ways to do this. The interview/selection process appears to have been a done deal (and don't we just hate those?) so why not keep it under wraps?
More Mark Robinson mess IMO.
I do agree that a change of coach is needed but also think that if you aren't going to change the incumbent then full support means full support not praising how you think someone else will do a better job.On the other hand, everyone knew Fozzie was dead in the water unless he won the RWC and maybe even then.
The Fern had nearly 6,000 posts on the Fozzie Robertson thread, so imagine what the conversations were around the pro rugby dressing rooms and "who had heard what".
If you've ever gone through a big institutional restructuring you'll know how productivity falls away around the water cooler - until there is certainty.
@Chris-B said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Crucial said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@mariner4life said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
Wracking my brain trying to think of another professional sports coach who has the job for a full season knowing he's not wanted?
Very strange fucking time
I actually don't know how I feel about it to be honest.
I want to believe everyone is a stone cold professional and just gets on with the job. But that's fantasy.
If Foster isn't their guy he shouldn't be there now.It's all ridiculous really.
That's my point. I'm not grizzling on behalf of Foster, I'm stating the obvious. All those posts claiming that players will want to perform are correct. Step away from the extremes/simplistic views for a moment and you'll note that there is a little seed put in their heads that the guy telling them that they can win if they do what he says doesn't really have the full support of the bosses who are more than happy to sit and grin alongside their new hire.
That little seed could mean that the team aren't fully on song.
Surely there were better ways to do this. The interview/selection process appears to have been a done deal (and don't we just hate those?) so why not keep it under wraps?
More Mark Robinson mess IMO.
I do agree that a change of coach is needed but also think that if you aren't going to change the incumbent then full support means full support not praising how you think someone else will do a better job.On the other hand, everyone knew Fozzie was dead in the water unless he won the RWC and maybe even then.
The Fern had nearly 6,000 posts on the Fozzie Robertson thread, so imagine what the conversations were around the pro rugby dressing rooms and "who had heard what".
If you've ever gone through a big institutional restructuring you'll know how productivity falls away around the water cooler - until there is certainty.
At least now there is hope the players and coaches can compartmentalise 2024 and concentrate on 2023
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@Billy-Tell said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
4 years later than it should have been but yeah! Finally a coach selected on his record and not his connections. I expect some promotion of youth as the ABs need a rebuild.
As an aside I hope this lets foster concentrate on the job at hand. NZ are rank outsiders for the first time ever which might work in our favour.
Except for 1995
@booboo not with the bookies and the punting. ABs were favourites.
In terms of rugby commentators/ex players, the Wallabies were favourites and many predicted us to win a semi final but lose to either the Wallabies or the home side.
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@Victor-Meldrew For mine the Bledisloe needs to be in the display cabinet. A series win against England, with the Eden Park record intact.
I don't know what the EOYT holds, so will hold opinion there.
@antipodean said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Victor-Meldrew For mine the Bledisloe needs to be in the display cabinet. A series win against England, with the Eden Park record intact.
I don't know what the EOYT holds, so will hold opinion there.
officially, for the general public, yeah, series win, bledisloe, eden park etc, basically stop the rot
but as someone slightly more interested i really want to see a team that controls the game more, can speed up and slow down the pace to keep teams guessing, i REALLY want to see a team that can be patient and not afraid to have the ball for multiple phases (not kicking away after 2-3)...so basically how we win, more team wins and less moments of brilliance plastering over the cracks
I do see where @Crucial is coming from, i also think its a bit weird, this is almost the build up to the world cup so i think the "normal" or more common approach would for fozzie to have just said he was stepping down after the RWC...and then announce after, we may all have known etc...but this is a little unusual....BUT....i also dont think they had much choice, through NZR's own doing they had undermined fozzie through contract extensions and reviews and not just saying a new coach wont be announce until after the RWC...
...so it is what it is...this season might get rough, yes 100% the players will want to win and so will fozzie, but it is also their job, not purely a passion, we've seen it with players admitting they didn't know about some of the records that have been broken recently...and so no, i wont be surprised if we see people that seem to play slightly more razor like....subconsciously wanting to get paid next year
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@antipodean said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Victor-Meldrew For mine the Bledisloe needs to be in the display cabinet. A series win against England, with the Eden Park record intact.
I don't know what the EOYT holds, so will hold opinion there.
officially, for the general public, yeah, series win, bledisloe, eden park etc, basically stop the rot
but as someone slightly more interested i really want to see a team that controls the game more, can speed up and slow down the pace to keep teams guessing, i REALLY want to see a team that can be patient and not afraid to have the ball for multiple phases (not kicking away after 2-3)...so basically how we win, more team wins and less moments of brilliance plastering over the cracks
I do see where @Crucial is coming from, i also think its a bit weird, this is almost the build up to the world cup so i think the "normal" or more common approach would for fozzie to have just said he was stepping down after the RWC...and then announce after, we may all have known etc...but this is a little unusual....BUT....i also dont think they had much choice, through NZR's own doing they had undermined fozzie through contract extensions and reviews and not just saying a new coach wont be announce until after the RWC...
...so it is what it is...this season might get rough, yes 100% the players will want to win and so will fozzie, but it is also their job, not purely a passion, we've seen it with players admitting they didn't know about some of the records that have been broken recently...and so no, i wont be surprised if we see people that seem to play slightly more razor like....subconsciously wanting to get paid next year
@Kiwiwomble said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@antipodean said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Victor-Meldrew For mine the Bledisloe needs to be in the display cabinet. A series win against England, with the Eden Park record intact.
I don't know what the EOYT holds, so will hold opinion there.
officially, for the general public, yeah, series win, bledisloe, eden park etc, basically stop the rot
but as someone slightly more interested i really want to see a team that controls the game more, can speed up and slow down the pace to keep teams guessing, i REALLY want to see a team that can be patient and not afraid to have the ball for multiple phases (not kicking away after 2-3)...so basically how we win, more team wins and less moments of brilliance plastering over the cracks
I do see where @Crucial is coming from, i also think its a bit weird, this is almost the build up to the world cup so i think the "normal" or more common approach would for fozzie to have just said he was stepping down after the RWC...and then announce after, we may all have known etc...but this is a little unusual....BUT....i also dont think they had much choice, through NZR's own doing they had undermined fozzie through contract extensions and reviews and not just saying a new coach wont be announce until after the RWC...
...so it is what it is...this season might get rough, yes 100% the players will want to win and so will fozzie, but it is also their job, not purely a passion, we've seen it with players admitting they didn't know about some of the records that have been broken recently...and so no, i wont be surprised if we see people that seem to play slightly more razor like....subconsciously wanting to get paid next year
Yup I'm looking for us to play a more direct style, a more controlling style. Instant success is all well and good, but there will be new faces after RWC23 and it will take some time. No headless chook play posing as a game plan will be a start
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Someone might have already posted this - interesting to see Conrad on the panel.
The panel of NZ Rugby CEO Mark Robinson, board members Dame Farah Palmer and Bailey Mackey, NZR head of high performance Mike Anthony, former All Black Conrad Smith and Eddie Kohlhase, of High Performance Sport NZ and a former Black Sox softball coach.
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Not asking for much just wanna support the smartest side on the pitch
@BerniesCorner said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
Not asking for much just wanna support the smartest side on the pitch
don't support the Blues!
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Someone might have already posted this - interesting to see Conrad on the panel.
The panel of NZ Rugby CEO Mark Robinson, board members Dame Farah Palmer and Bailey Mackey, NZR head of high performance Mike Anthony, former All Black Conrad Smith and Eddie Kohlhase, of High Performance Sport NZ and a former Black Sox softball coach.
@Chris-B said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
Someone might have already posted this - interesting to see Conrad on the panel.
The panel of NZ Rugby CEO Mark Robinson, board members Dame Farah Palmer and Bailey Mackey, NZR head of high performance Mike Anthony, former All Black Conrad Smith and Eddie Kohlhase, of High Performance Sport NZ and a former Black Sox softball coach.
yeah, wonder why? isn't he a lawyer? so maybe the combo of lawyer/player? but you might have thought former captains?
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@Chris-B said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
Someone might have already posted this - interesting to see Conrad on the panel.
The panel of NZ Rugby CEO Mark Robinson, board members Dame Farah Palmer and Bailey Mackey, NZR head of high performance Mike Anthony, former All Black Conrad Smith and Eddie Kohlhase, of High Performance Sport NZ and a former Black Sox softball coach.
yeah, wonder why? isn't he a lawyer? so maybe the combo of lawyer/player? but you might have thought former captains?
@Kiwiwomble said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Chris-B said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
Someone might have already posted this - interesting to see Conrad on the panel.
The panel of NZ Rugby CEO Mark Robinson, board members Dame Farah Palmer and Bailey Mackey, NZR head of high performance Mike Anthony, former All Black Conrad Smith and Eddie Kohlhase, of High Performance Sport NZ and a former Black Sox softball coach.
yeah, wonder why? isn't he a lawyer? so maybe the combo of lawyer/player? but you might have thought former captains?
Might be indicative that neither Hammer nor any other recent Canes coaches were interviewing.
KRead has been in the media saying appoint Razor and he and McCaw are Crusaders through and through. I don't think they'd want that. Rueben Thorne as well.
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@Kiwiwomble said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Chris-B said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
Someone might have already posted this - interesting to see Conrad on the panel.
The panel of NZ Rugby CEO Mark Robinson, board members Dame Farah Palmer and Bailey Mackey, NZR head of high performance Mike Anthony, former All Black Conrad Smith and Eddie Kohlhase, of High Performance Sport NZ and a former Black Sox softball coach.
yeah, wonder why? isn't he a lawyer? so maybe the combo of lawyer/player? but you might have thought former captains?
Might be indicative that neither Hammer nor any other recent Canes coaches were interviewing.
KRead has been in the media saying appoint Razor and he and McCaw are Crusaders through and through. I don't think they'd want that. Rueben Thorne as well.
@Chris-B good points
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Wracking my brain trying to think of another professional sports coach who has the job for a full season knowing he's not wanted?
Very strange fucking time
I actually don't know how I feel about it to be honest.
I want to believe everyone is a stone cold professional and just gets on with the job. But that's fantasy.
If Foster isn't their guy he shouldn't be there now.It's all ridiculous really.
@mariner4life said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
Wracking my brain trying to think of another professional sports coach who has the job for a full season knowing he's not wanted?
Very strange fucking time
I actually don't know how I feel about it to be honest.
I want to believe everyone is a stone cold professional and just gets on with the job. But that's fantasy.
If Foster isn't their guy he shouldn't be there now.It's all ridiculous really.
I think Malthouse to Buckley at Collingwood was similar.
It was a bit ugly from memory. -
@mariner4life said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
Wracking my brain trying to think of another professional sports coach who has the job for a full season knowing he's not wanted?
Very strange fucking time
I actually don't know how I feel about it to be honest.
I want to believe everyone is a stone cold professional and just gets on with the job. But that's fantasy.
If Foster isn't their guy he shouldn't be there now.It's all ridiculous really.
I think Malthouse to Buckley at Collingwood was similar.
It was a bit ugly from memory.@kiwiinmelb said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@mariner4life said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
Wracking my brain trying to think of another professional sports coach who has the job for a full season knowing he's not wanted?
Very strange fucking time
I actually don't know how I feel about it to be honest.
I want to believe everyone is a stone cold professional and just gets on with the job. But that's fantasy.
If Foster isn't their guy he shouldn't be there now.It's all ridiculous really.
I think Malthouse to Buckley at Collingwood was similar.
It was a bit ugly from memory.oh yeah that's a good one. was very ugly.
Imagine if the NZRU stuck Razor in as an assistant now to get him acclimatised?
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@mariner4life said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
Wracking my brain trying to think of another professional sports coach who has the job for a full season knowing he's not wanted?
Very strange fucking time
I actually don't know how I feel about it to be honest.
I want to believe everyone is a stone cold professional and just gets on with the job. But that's fantasy.
If Foster isn't their guy he shouldn't be there now.It's all ridiculous really.
I think Malthouse to Buckley at Collingwood was similar.
It was a bit ugly from memory.@kiwiinmelb said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@mariner4life said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
Wracking my brain trying to think of another professional sports coach who has the job for a full season knowing he's not wanted?
Very strange fucking time
I actually don't know how I feel about it to be honest.
I want to believe everyone is a stone cold professional and just gets on with the job. But that's fantasy.
If Foster isn't their guy he shouldn't be there now.It's all ridiculous really.
I think Malthouse to Buckley at Collingwood was similar.
It was a bit ugly from memory.It was ugly due in large part because of the bizarre succession plan thing they had going. Buckley was Malthouse’s assistant and was basically serving out his time and then Eddie had to put everyone out of their misery and they gave the reins to Buckley. One journo said to me there was a bit of backgrounding going on as well. This all despite Collingwood producing great results in 2009, 10 and 11.
In theory if this wasn’t a RWC year (and the NZRU had their act together), Razor would’ve been brought in immediately.
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@kiwiinmelb said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@mariner4life said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
Wracking my brain trying to think of another professional sports coach who has the job for a full season knowing he's not wanted?
Very strange fucking time
I actually don't know how I feel about it to be honest.
I want to believe everyone is a stone cold professional and just gets on with the job. But that's fantasy.
If Foster isn't their guy he shouldn't be there now.It's all ridiculous really.
I think Malthouse to Buckley at Collingwood was similar.
It was a bit ugly from memory.It was ugly due in large part because of the bizarre succession plan thing they had going. Buckley was Malthouse’s assistant and was basically serving out his time and then Eddie had to put everyone out of their misery and they gave the reins to Buckley. One journo said to me there was a bit of backgrounding going on as well. This all despite Collingwood producing great results in 2009, 10 and 11.
In theory if this wasn’t a RWC year (and the NZRU had their act together), Razor would’ve been brought in immediately.
@ACT-Crusader said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
In theory if this wasn’t a RWC year (and the NZRU had their act together), Razor would’ve been brought in immediately.
lol, like last year before South Africa happened?
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Ha, Razor told his dad about getting the AB gig yesterday, and his dad didnt believe him as he hadnt read anything in the media yet...
I expect the shiny new Razor effect will wear off in the next month or 2 now the appointment is made, allowing the focus to go back to Super Rugby, TRC and then the RWC.
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@Chris-B said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
Someone might have already posted this - interesting to see Conrad on the panel.
The panel of NZ Rugby CEO Mark Robinson, board members Dame Farah Palmer and Bailey Mackey, NZR head of high performance Mike Anthony, former All Black Conrad Smith and Eddie Kohlhase, of High Performance Sport NZ and a former Black Sox softball coach.
yeah, wonder why? isn't he a lawyer? so maybe the combo of lawyer/player? but you might have thought former captains?
@Kiwiwomble said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Chris-B said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
Someone might have already posted this - interesting to see Conrad on the panel.
The panel of NZ Rugby CEO Mark Robinson, board members Dame Farah Palmer and Bailey Mackey, NZR head of high performance Mike Anthony, former All Black Conrad Smith and Eddie Kohlhase, of High Performance Sport NZ and a former Black Sox softball coach.
yeah, wonder why? isn't he a lawyer? so maybe the combo of lawyer/player? but you might have thought former captains?
Because he's smart as fuck, and had been heavily involved with NZ and international players associations. Done a bit of coaching, too
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@ACT-Crusader said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
In theory if this wasn’t a RWC year (and the NZRU had their act together), Razor would’ve been brought in immediately.
lol, like last year before South Africa happened?
@bayimports said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@ACT-Crusader said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
In theory if this wasn’t a RWC year (and the NZRU had their act together), Razor would’ve been brought in immediately.
lol, like last year before South Africa happened?
Agree, but they didn’t have their act together unless you call making frantic midnight phone calls and rushing around like headless chooks cooking up some plan was their plan….
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@kiwiinmelb said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@mariner4life said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
Wracking my brain trying to think of another professional sports coach who has the job for a full season knowing he's not wanted?
Very strange fucking time
I actually don't know how I feel about it to be honest.
I want to believe everyone is a stone cold professional and just gets on with the job. But that's fantasy.
If Foster isn't their guy he shouldn't be there now.It's all ridiculous really.
I think Malthouse to Buckley at Collingwood was similar.
It was a bit ugly from memory.It was ugly due in large part because of the bizarre succession plan thing they had going. Buckley was Malthouse’s assistant and was basically serving out his time and then Eddie had to put everyone out of their misery and they gave the reins to Buckley. One journo said to me there was a bit of backgrounding going on as well. This all despite Collingwood producing great results in 2009, 10 and 11.
In theory if this wasn’t a RWC year (and the NZRU had their act together), Razor would’ve been brought in immediately.
@ACT-Crusader said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@kiwiinmelb said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@mariner4life said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
Wracking my brain trying to think of another professional sports coach who has the job for a full season knowing he's not wanted?
Very strange fucking time
I actually don't know how I feel about it to be honest.
I want to believe everyone is a stone cold professional and just gets on with the job. But that's fantasy.
If Foster isn't their guy he shouldn't be there now.It's all ridiculous really.
I think Malthouse to Buckley at Collingwood was similar.
It was a bit ugly from memory.It was ugly due in large part because of the bizarre succession plan thing they had going. Buckley was Malthouse’s assistant and was basically serving out his time and then Eddie had to put everyone out of their misery and they gave the reins to Buckley. One journo said to me there was a bit of backgrounding going on as well. This all despite Collingwood producing great results in 2009, 10 and 11.
In theory if this wasn’t a RWC year (and the NZRU had their act together), Razor would’ve been brought in immediately.
Yeah the situations are different in that Malthouse had been successful, and Buckley was the club’s favourite son and north melb in particular threw a decent coaching offer buckleys way . So they thought they were being clever in locking him away for the future . I don’t think they were prepared for how pissed off malthouse would become over the whole scenario.
Fozzie isn’t Malthouse .
