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It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.

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    When NZR appointed Razor there were certain conditions on personal, and selections now is that still viable, not sure

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      Let's just look at situation and Razor 2 many unproven test level hand shakes ,and could tell the fern about my first meeting with Ryan , I just walked away

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      @george33 Because the proven test experience of Fozzie and Mcleod worked so well?

      Ryan comes across extremely well in interviews and has already made positive strides in the ABs forwards.

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        Tamati Ellison will also be involved with coaching defence in the national team’s setup.

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        @Chris That's fine - but if so, he shouldn't be involved with the Crusaders. Massive conflict of interest for a guy to be involved with both.

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          @Chris That's fine - but if so, he shouldn't be involved with the Crusaders. Massive conflict of interest for a guy to be involved with both.

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          @frugby

          He will remain with the Crusaders and take Over as HC there after Penny.
          He is on a part time assistant contact to assist Steve Hansen with defence.

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            @frugby

            He will remain with the Crusaders and take Over as HC there after Penny.
            He is on a part time assistant contact to assist Steve Hansen with defence.

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            @Chris Yep, and I don't think that is a good thing at all. Razor is a marvellous coach, I rate him the best in the world, but the one thing that could hold him back, is an over-emphasis on Crusaders players.

            Jason Ryan's forwards selections for the NZ XV last year (Namely Brewis and Lio-Willie) were very much with Crusaders tinted glasses on. I'd like to think with a couple of years away this won't be an issue, but you risk pissing off large groups of players who feel shut out as a result.

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              @Chris Yep, and I don't think that is a good thing at all. Razor is a marvellous coach, I rate him the best in the world, but the one thing that could hold him back, is an over-emphasis on Crusaders players.

              Jason Ryan's forwards selections for the NZ XV last year (Namely Brewis and Lio-Willie) were very much with Crusaders tinted glasses on. I'd like to think with a couple of years away this won't be an issue, but you risk pissing off large groups of players who feel shut out as a result.

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              @frugby
              We will see, as Razor has mentioned McDonald and Holland will also have selection in put plus Wayne Smith in the background.

              Tamiti also will coach Wellington in the NPC.

              I think it will be well rounded.

              Just adding to that Razor's job is to win with the AB's, not where they come from and pissing players off who he thinks are not good enough but maybe they do think they are..

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                @frugby
                We will see, as Razor has mentioned McDonald and Holland will also have selection in put plus Wayne Smith in the background.

                Tamiti also will coach Wellington in the NPC.

                I think it will be well rounded.

                Just adding to that Razor's job is to win with the AB's, not where they come from and pissing players off who he thinks are not good enough but maybe they do think they are..

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                  I said there's alot about Ryan I don't like at all think he might get found out , but still right behind our abs , but his selections worry me

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                    @Chris Yep, and I don't think that is a good thing at all. Razor is a marvellous coach, I rate him the best in the world, but the one thing that could hold him back, is an over-emphasis on Crusaders players.

                    Jason Ryan's forwards selections for the NZ XV last year (Namely Brewis and Lio-Willie) were very much with Crusaders tinted glasses on. I'd like to think with a couple of years away this won't be an issue, but you risk pissing off large groups of players who feel shut out as a result.

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                    @frugby said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                    Jason Ryan's forwards selections for the NZ XV last year (Namely Brewis and Lio-Willie) were very much with Crusaders tinted glasses on. I'd like to think with a couple of years away this won't be an issue, but you risk pissing off large groups of players who feel shut out as a result

                    What about the ABs & NZ XV just announced? Looks about right.

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                      Wayne Smith should In my opinion have say in selection just adds to the fire don't u think

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                        no say in selection in my opinion

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                          @frugby said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                          Jason Ryan's forwards selections for the NZ XV last year (Namely Brewis and Lio-Willie) were very much with Crusaders tinted glasses on. I'd like to think with a couple of years away this won't be an issue, but you risk pissing off large groups of players who feel shut out as a result

                          What about the ABs & NZ XV just announced? Looks about right.

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                          @KiwiMurph

                          Yep as Foster said Ryan lead the way in those Forward selections.

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                            Wayne Smith should In my opinion have say in selection just adds to the fire don't u think

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                            Another Crusader ?

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                              ? In what way Foster

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                                ? In what way Foster

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                                I thought you meant Smith being involved in selections.

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                                  What's Wayne Smith doin in there at all just a mentor to Razor ? So many titles well deserved tho Razor but come on stand tall

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                                    What's Wayne Smith doin in there at all just a mentor to Razor ? So many titles well deserved tho Razor but come on stand tall

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                                    @george33

                                    Yeah mentor role.

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                                      @frugby

                                      He will remain with the Crusaders and take Over as HC there after Penny.
                                      He is on a part time assistant contact to assist Steve Hansen with defence.

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                                      @Chris said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                                      @frugby

                                      He will remain with the Crusaders and take Over as HC there after Penny.
                                      He is on a part time assistant contact to assist Steve Hansen with defence.

                                      This is an odd set up if correct. Tamati is the Wellington head coach. His focus should be there (he's already an assistant with the Crusaders) not helping out an assistant with the ABs.

                                      Key for Tamati now is to learn and prove himself as a head coach.

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                                        @Chris said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                                        @frugby

                                        He will remain with the Crusaders and take Over as HC there after Penny.
                                        He is on a part time assistant contact to assist Steve Hansen with defence.

                                        This is an odd set up if correct. Tamati is the Wellington head coach. His focus should be there (he's already an assistant with the Crusaders) not helping out an assistant with the ABs.

                                        Key for Tamati now is to learn and prove himself as a head coach.

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                                        @Winger

                                        Yep is is 100% correct Tamati will help Hansen out with the AB defence.

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                                          @george33 Because the proven test experience of Fozzie and Mcleod worked so well?

                                          Ryan comes across extremely well in interviews and has already made positive strides in the ABs forwards.

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                                          @KiwiMurph said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                                          Ryan comes across extremely well in interviews and has already made positive strides in the ABs forwards.

                                          The scrum and maul has continued to improve which is great, but I'm not quite convinced yet.

                                          The flakiness is still there as we saw against England on the EOYT when we pretty much went to pieces. Get that last 5% headspace thing sorted out and we'll be good.

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