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It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.

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    Wayne Smith should In my opinion have say in selection just adds to the fire don't u think

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      no say in selection in my opinion

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        @frugby said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

        Jason Ryan's forwards selections for the NZ XV last year (Namely Brewis and Lio-Willie) were very much with Crusaders tinted glasses on. I'd like to think with a couple of years away this won't be an issue, but you risk pissing off large groups of players who feel shut out as a result

        What about the ABs & NZ XV just announced? Looks about right.

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        @KiwiMurph

        Yep as Foster said Ryan lead the way in those Forward selections.

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          Wayne Smith should In my opinion have say in selection just adds to the fire don't u think

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          Another Crusader ?

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            ? In what way Foster

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              ? In what way Foster

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              I thought you meant Smith being involved in selections.

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                What's Wayne Smith doin in there at all just a mentor to Razor ? So many titles well deserved tho Razor but come on stand tall

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                  What's Wayne Smith doin in there at all just a mentor to Razor ? So many titles well deserved tho Razor but come on stand tall

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                  @george33

                  Yeah mentor role.

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                  • ChrisC Chris

                    @frugby

                    He will remain with the Crusaders and take Over as HC there after Penny.
                    He is on a part time assistant contact to assist Steve Hansen with defence.

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                    @Chris said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                    @frugby

                    He will remain with the Crusaders and take Over as HC there after Penny.
                    He is on a part time assistant contact to assist Steve Hansen with defence.

                    This is an odd set up if correct. Tamati is the Wellington head coach. His focus should be there (he's already an assistant with the Crusaders) not helping out an assistant with the ABs.

                    Key for Tamati now is to learn and prove himself as a head coach.

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                    • WingerW Winger

                      @Chris said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                      @frugby

                      He will remain with the Crusaders and take Over as HC there after Penny.
                      He is on a part time assistant contact to assist Steve Hansen with defence.

                      This is an odd set up if correct. Tamati is the Wellington head coach. His focus should be there (he's already an assistant with the Crusaders) not helping out an assistant with the ABs.

                      Key for Tamati now is to learn and prove himself as a head coach.

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                      Yep is is 100% correct Tamati will help Hansen out with the AB defence.

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                      • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

                        @george33 Because the proven test experience of Fozzie and Mcleod worked so well?

                        Ryan comes across extremely well in interviews and has already made positive strides in the ABs forwards.

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                        @KiwiMurph said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                        Ryan comes across extremely well in interviews and has already made positive strides in the ABs forwards.

                        The scrum and maul has continued to improve which is great, but I'm not quite convinced yet.

                        The flakiness is still there as we saw against England on the EOYT when we pretty much went to pieces. Get that last 5% headspace thing sorted out and we'll be good.

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                        • Victor MeldrewV Victor Meldrew

                          @KiwiMurph said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                          Ryan comes across extremely well in interviews and has already made positive strides in the ABs forwards.

                          The scrum and maul has continued to improve which is great, but I'm not quite convinced yet.

                          The flakiness is still there as we saw against England on the EOYT when we pretty much went to pieces. Get that last 5% headspace thing sorted out and we'll be good.

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                          @Victor-Meldrew said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                          he flakiness is still there as we saw against England on the EOYT when we pretty much went to pieces

                          tough to shake off the bad habits of the past 4 or 5 years in a few months....

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                          • taniwharugbyT taniwharugby

                            @Victor-Meldrew said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                            he flakiness is still there as we saw against England on the EOYT when we pretty much went to pieces

                            tough to shake off the bad habits of the past 4 or 5 years in a few months....

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                            @taniwharugby said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                            @Victor-Meldrew said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                            he flakiness is still there as we saw against England on the EOYT when we pretty much went to pieces

                            tough to shake off the bad habits of the past 4 or 5 years in a few months....

                            And the head coach is still there....

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                              @Victor-Meldrew said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                              he flakiness is still there as we saw against England on the EOYT when we pretty much went to pieces

                              tough to shake off the bad habits of the past 4 or 5 years in a few months....

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                              @taniwharugby said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                              @Victor-Meldrew said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                              he flakiness is still there as we saw against England on the EOYT when we pretty much went to pieces

                              tough to shake off the bad habits of the past 4 or 5 years in a few months....

                              Yep. Was always going to take a while. Bit too early to see if any improvements are baked in, though the collective brain-farts in the forwards are def. on a downward trend.

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                              • ChrisC Chris

                                Tamati Ellison will also be involved with coaching defence in the national team’s setup.

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                                @Chris said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                                Tamati Ellison will also be involved with coaching defence in the national team’s setup.

                                Will he no longer be coaching Wellington after 2023? How can he remain an NPC coach? the seasons overlap.

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                                  @Chris said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                                  Tamati Ellison will also be involved with coaching defence in the national team’s setup.

                                  Will he no longer be coaching Wellington after 2023? How can he remain an NPC coach? the seasons overlap.

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                                  Probably not with Wellington 2024

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                                  • WingerW Winger

                                    @Chris said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                                    @frugby

                                    He will remain with the Crusaders and take Over as HC there after Penny.
                                    He is on a part time assistant contact to assist Steve Hansen with defence.

                                    This is an odd set up if correct. Tamati is the Wellington head coach. His focus should be there (he's already an assistant with the Crusaders) not helping out an assistant with the ABs.

                                    Key for Tamati now is to learn and prove himself as a head coach.

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                                    @Winger said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                                    @Chris said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                                    @frugby

                                    He will remain with the Crusaders and take Over as HC there after Penny.
                                    He is on a part time assistant contact to assist Steve Hansen with defence.

                                    This is an odd set up if correct. Tatami is the Wellington head coach. His focus should be there (he's already an assistant with the Crusaders) not helping out an assistant with the ABs.

                                    Key for Tamati now is to learn and prove himself as a head coach.

                                    I disagree, he's got the technical skills and expertise to be an excellent assistant at the top level, he is a very detailed coach & unlike Holland he's had experience in a range of high-performance environments like the All Blacks, NZ Seven's, NZ Maori, Hurricanes, etc.. while already as a defense coach he's won 3 Super Rugby titles, an NPC title with Wellington.

                                    His CV is (arguably) already better than Jason Holland, a guy who's been coaching professionally for 15 years now - with pretty average success and is turning 51 in August, so your comment about having to prove himself is dumb, as Taimati (40) only started coaching full-time 3 years ago and has undergone a rapid ascension under Razor's guidance.

                                    If Jason Holland was an outstanding coach we would have seen evidence of it already, given he's a decade older and has 12 years of pro coaching experience over Ellison, so the experience argument doesn't really stick, it is usually apparent from the outset if a coach has a unique skillset - or doesn't.

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                                      @Chris Yep, and I don't think that is a good thing at all. Razor is a marvellous coach, I rate him the best in the world, but the one thing that could hold him back, is an over-emphasis on Crusaders players.

                                      Jason Ryan's forwards selections for the NZ XV last year (Namely Brewis and Lio-Willie) were very much with Crusaders tinted glasses on. I'd like to think with a couple of years away this won't be an issue, but you risk pissing off large groups of players who feel shut out as a result.

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                                      @frugby said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                                      @Chris Yep, and I don't think that is a good thing at all. Razor is a marvellous coach, I rate him the best in the world, but the one thing that could hold him back, is an over-emphasis on Crusaders players.

                                      Jason Ryan's forwards selections for the NZ XV last year (Namely Brewis and Lio-Willie) were very much with Crusaders tinted glasses on. I'd like to think with a couple of years away this won't be an issue, but you risk pissing off large groups of players who feel shut out as a result.

                                      Maybe wait until the first squad is named before jumping to all sorts of wild speculation, assumptions and presumptions

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                                        I am so excited about the ABs going forward. From Lions tour on I have been just meh, as much as a tragic can be that way. I trusted the 3WM up to 2019, that they had dry powder, but they didn't. Foster was the worse stale male and whatever the thing is decision after that. I was originally planning on going to France for this RWC, but coaching team turned that right off years ago. But now, yeah this RWC, we won;t make it out of the 1/4s. And 2024 might be a bit crap. But fuck me anything is good after Foster, he is so shit, refuses to admit when it's gone to shit and is THE MOST BORING SPEAKER ever to be an ABs coach. I am just looking forward to some spark, intelligence, anything.

                                        Bring on next year, this year will be as shit as the last 3, we'll lose the RC, and retain bled cos we only need to win one game and get fucked over in RWC. Bring on 24+

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                                          https://www.rugbypass.com/news/what-the-crusaders-dynasty-taught-us-about-scott-robertson/?fbclid=IwAR0WkrxC124AKpmN9wPsIs1rTXC_xVTOFn0BX_X3Ozg7KoyUhg1VVf2Q7jU

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                                          @SBW1 said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                                          https://www.rugbypass.com/news/what-the-crusaders-dynasty-taught-us-about-scott-robertson/?fbclid=IwAR0WkrxC124AKpmN9wPsIs1rTXC_xVTOFn0BX_X3Ozg7KoyUhg1VVf2Q7jU

                                          From that article - "A 40-game win streak with Sumner promoted the team to the top division"

                                          That's crazy.

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