All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham
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@ploughboy said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
jordan was not flash in dunedin. not sticking up forBB just saying
Hasn't been given anywhere near enough time in the saddle at 15.
Did we really need to see this much of Beaudy, Aaron Smith, Savea, Coles for example over the last two years?
4 years on from the last World Cup dual pivot debacle and we still have Beaudy at 15, ALB still floating around, a winger at 13, Aaron Smith being played into the ground. No back up locks. No one with any meaningful minutes at 8 other than Savea. Next cab off the rank is Sotutu and he was jettisoned. Then Sowakula and he was Jettisoned. No one with meaningful minutes at 7 this year other than Cane and we have had locks playing at 6 on and off until the last few matches.
DMAC is in, plays well then he is out. Samisoni is in, plays well, then he is out. Leicester is in , plays well and then he is out, Finau is in, plays well and then he is out.
Its doing them all a disservice.
I still don't know what to make of Jacobsen. I feel he hasn't had enough of a go.
@Steve said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@ploughboy said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
jordan was not flash in dunedin. not sticking up forBB just saying
Hasn't been given anywhere near enough time in the saddle at 15.
Did we really need to see this much of Beaudy, Aaron Smith, Savea, Coles for example over the last two years?
4 years on from the last World Cup dual pivot debacle and we still have Beaudy at 15, ALB still floating around, a winger at 13, Aaron Smith being played into the ground. No back up locks. No one with any meaningful minutes at 8 other than Savea. Next cab off the rank is Sotutu and he was jettisoned. Then Sowakula and he was Jettisoned. No one with meaningful minutes at 7 this year other than Cane and we have had locks playing at 6 on and off until the last few matches.
DMAC is in, plays well then he is out. Samisoni is in, plays well, then he is out. Leicester is in , plays well and then he is out, Finau is in, plays well and then he is out.
Its doing them all a disservice.
I still don't know what to make of Jacobsen. I feel he hasn't had enough of a go.
Have to agree with all of that. Still think Ardie is a great but that wasn't his best game. no one played that well bar Cam Roigard when he came on.
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@Machpants said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Foster is an absolute fluffybunny, I hate him so much as a coach. The worst, by quite some margin, of any ABs coach of a decent period of time, with so many shitty records to his name. And he can't own up when his team puts what is objectively the worst performance ever in black
"I think both teams deserve a lot of credit, they put a lot into that game and it was a great spectacle."
What the actual fucking planet is he on? In what way do the ABs deserve credit? For bending over and taking it hard without lube?
"So, I’d rather have those lessons today, a couple of weeks out than in a fortnight"
Except they are the same lesson the ABs have been getting since c2017 and you and your fucking bunch of numpties have not learned. STOP FUCKING KICKING ANYTHING BUT LONG IN YOUR 22. Even just that would improve their performance, and the fact it is done every single match means it is your fucking idea. Earn the right to go wide, paly off nine some times, and stop picking obviously past it players. Get a captain with some fucking personality (I know that would just show him up).
Jesus, I can't wait until next year, a coach with a proven record as head and something beyond the personality of a fucking turnip
yes I have been drinking
many a true word spoken in drink
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@Machpants said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Foster is an absolute fluffybunny, I hate him so much as a coach. The worst, by quite some margin, of any ABs coach of a decent period of time, with so many shitty records to his name. And he can't own up when his team puts what is objectively the worst performance ever in black
"I think both teams deserve a lot of credit, they put a lot into that game and it was a great spectacle."
What the actual fucking planet is he on? In what way do the ABs deserve credit? For bending over and taking it hard without lube?
"So, I’d rather have those lessons today, a couple of weeks out than in a fortnight"
Except they are the same lesson the ABs have been getting since c2017 and you and your fucking bunch of numpties have not learned. STOP FUCKING KICKING ANYTHING BUT LONG IN YOUR 22. Even just that would improve their performance, and the fact it is done every single match means it is your fucking idea. Earn the right to go wide, paly off nine some times, and stop picking obviously past it players. Get a captain with some fucking personality (I know that would just show him up).
Jesus, I can't wait until next year, a coach with a proven record as head and something beyond the personality of a fucking turnip
yes I have been drinking
many a true word spoken in drink
In vino veritas
Or at least craft beer
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Is it me or does anyone else think it baffling and ironic in equal measure that the most dominant team in Super Rugby history plays a brand of rugby which is the blueprint for success at International Test level?
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Is it me or does anyone else think it baffling and ironic in equal measure that the most dominant team in Super Rugby history plays a brand of rugby which is the blueprint for success at International Test level?
Thank god and thor and selma's tits he's head coach next year
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Sonja has spoken and how dare any of us lesser mortals disagree with her? They might as well give the Springboks the Webb Ellis trophy again now.
https://x.com/sonjamclaughlan/status/1695175399540474261?s=46
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Yup Carley is pedantic. And the first yellow was a team yellow and Scott Barret had a brain fart for his second. so we played against only 14 men… in a disposable Barbarians “test” where we had a 7/1 bench … Emptied after 45 minutes against a now significantly weakened pack…. Boks have a LOT to work on too … but think after Auckland they were always going to need to fire especially with Siya back. Glad they did but game wasn’t important other than both teams needing to check combinations and have a proper hard 80 especially defensively which we didn’t get nearly as much as they e needed imo. if the table had been flipped and we were playing 14 against 15, I don’t think after 60 minutes we would’ve looked any better. I have no doubt that the World Cup opener against France in two weeks time is going to be nothing like the match we watched last night. There is simply way too much pedigree in both the New Zealand and French squads. I think the Bokke did 14 man ABs a bit of a favour…. Guys are going to be so tight after that...Frogs at home is going to need tight as baseline entry level … Don’t write your guys off after a 14 man BaaBaas sketchy ref warmup…We will see you again shortly I have zero doubt
Smile of the match was definitely Andrew Mehrtens being spotted on his phone on the big screen and Brian Habana giving him a ribbing
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Foster is an absolute fluffybunny, I hate him so much as a coach. The worst, by quite some margin, of any ABs coach of a decent period of time, with so many shitty records to his name. And he can't own up when his team puts what is objectively the worst performance ever in black
"I think both teams deserve a lot of credit, they put a lot into that game and it was a great spectacle."
What the actual fucking planet is he on? In what way do the ABs deserve credit? For bending over and taking it hard without lube?
"So, I’d rather have those lessons today, a couple of weeks out than in a fortnight"
Except they are the same lesson the ABs have been getting since c2017 and you and your fucking bunch of numpties have not learned. STOP FUCKING KICKING ANYTHING BUT LONG IN YOUR 22. Even just that would improve their performance, and the fact it is done every single match means it is your fucking idea. Earn the right to go wide, paly off nine some times, and stop picking obviously past it players. Get a captain with some fucking personality (I know that would just show him up).
Jesus, I can't wait until next year, a coach with a proven record as head and something beyond the personality of a fucking turnip
yes I have been drinking
@Machpants said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
And he can't own up when his team puts what is objectively the worst performance ever in black
Utter fucking nonsense.
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@Machpants said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
And he can't own up when his team puts what is objectively the worst performance ever in black
Utter fucking nonsense.
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@Machpants said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
And he can't own up when his team puts what is objectively the worst performance ever in black
Utter fucking nonsense.
So a28 point loss isn't objectively the worst ever? Carry on in your dream world. He at no point in the interview admits anything but good learnings. Not 'we didn't prepare well enough' nor 'the tactics weren't quite right' doing shitty little kicks in our 22.Just we will learn. Except they don't and haven't over the last 6 odd years
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God you're boring @Machpants
I'm sure it was Ian Foster who told them to give away dumb penalty after dumb penalty. To dive head first at a player on the ground. To miss tackles. To miss goal kicks.
How bad are NZ rugby players that they would be amazing except their coach told them not to
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@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@Machpants said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
And he can't own up when his team puts what is objectively the worst performance ever in black
Utter fucking nonsense.
So a28 point loss isn't objectively the worst ever? Carry on in your dream world. He at no point in the interview admits anything but good learnings. Not 'we didn't prepare well enough' nor 'the tactics weren't quite right' doing shitty little kicks in our 22.Just we will learn. Except they don't and haven't over the last 6 odd years
@Machpants said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@Machpants said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
And he can't own up when his team puts what is objectively the worst performance ever in black
Utter fucking nonsense.
So a28 point loss isn't objectively the worst ever? Carry on in your dream world. He at no point in the interview admits anything but good learnings. Not 'we didn't prepare well enough' not 'the tactics weren't quite right'. Just we will learn. Except they don't and haven't over the last 6 odd years
No it's not the worst performance ever, unless you've only been around the last decade. I've seen a team put 40 on them.
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@Machpants said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@Machpants said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
And he can't own up when his team puts what is objectively the worst performance ever in black
Utter fucking nonsense.
So a28 point loss isn't objectively the worst ever? Carry on in your dream world. He at no point in the interview admits anything but good learnings. Not 'we didn't prepare well enough' not 'the tactics weren't quite right'. Just we will learn. Except they don't and haven't over the last 6 odd years
No it's not the worst performance ever, unless you've only been around the last decade. I've seen a team put 40 on them.
@antipodean did they lose by 40?
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God you're boring @Machpants
I'm sure it was Ian Foster who told them to give away dumb penalty after dumb penalty. To dive head first at a player on the ground. To miss tackles. To miss goal kicks.
How bad are NZ rugby players that they would be amazing except their coach told them not to
@mariner4life no, but this is the same shit for the last 4 years. Over and over. "we'll take the learnings". Well the RWC is 13 days away. What exactly have we learned? How to take records? Foster, as the head coach, has to take ownership for this debacle. He had the opportunity to play the same team with some minor, minor tweaks for Bled II and this due to long gaps between tests. But no. Fucked around, found out. We'll get humped again by France but you lot will say, "it wasn't Foster" and you'll all be happy because we tickled up Italy and put some tries on the other two. Hansen did the same shit 4 years ago and got bitch slapped out in the SF. Most of you have been riding this false dawn, that the ABs have turned the corner when some of us have said "we'll see". You've been singing Forster's praises for the team doing alright this year. Well now he fucked and that should be acknowledged. Yeah it's a meaningless game but we got hosed by a record score in the eve of the RWC. 4 more fucking years.
PS i hope we still win
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This kid can play
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
This kid can play
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Hard lines. Felt like the reverse uno of Mt. Smart. Everything went right for the Boks and everything wrong for the ABs.
@Bones - hope the saffirs aren’t more than usually insufferable on the train back
@Smuts said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Hard lines. Felt like the reverse uno of Mt. Smart. Everything went right for the Boks and everything wrong for the ABs.
@Bones - hope the saffirs aren’t more than usually insufferable on the train back
Amazingly gracious.
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@antipodean did they lose by 40?
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@antipodean did they lose by 40?
If the limit of your analytical capacity is to judge a game solely by the disparity of score, please don't post anymore.
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Yeah well thank god that's over.
Am not as despondent as I should be.
I reckon this tipped on the first scrum penalty. Which the ref had to really search for.
After that it just compounded.
Maybe we'd have been better off conceding the try and getting back to halfway.
7-nil vs 13 for 8 minutes, then a flakey intercept. All the rest of the points came against 14 players and 7 forwards.
Add in that we were shit at pretty much eveything.
As @taniwharugby said this isn't the dominantion the score suggests.
A lot of that is fixable. Whether it will be is the question.
Big problem for me is does Bozo of the Barretts have an appointment with the Beak and get a game off?
@booboo said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Yeah well thank god that's over.
Am not as despondent as I should be.
I reckon this tipped on the first scrum penalty. Which the ref had to really search for.
After that it just compounded.
Maybe we'd have been better off conceding the try and getting back to halfway.
7-nil vs 13 for 8 minutes, then a flakey intercept. All the rest of the points came against 14 players and 7 forwards.
Add in that we were shit at pretty much eveything.
As @taniwharugby said this isn't the dominantion the score suggests.
A lot of that is fixable. Whether it will be is the question.
Big problem for me is does Bozo of the Barretts have an appointment with the Beak and get a game off?
The stark reality is that, despite a ref which spoke their language and multiple disruptions to our XV, Boks oughtn't to have been more than 7-3 up at halftime.
At end, Scooter second yellow (first was really wrong, because in no way connected to team warning) buggered things. In fact Pakman jr and I debated if he ought to have been subbed before then to prevent that.
BB shanks a clearance at beginning of second so Boks throw in 5 with us a man short. Soft score.
Then EDG and Big Sam subbed off for their cotton wool tracksuits, so AB development front five versus bomb squad.
In blunt terms, that was point when TWM sacrificed the game for sake of RWC.
Last 30 [official rather than actual time] had feeling of a trial match. Surreal.
The Wallabies 1978 spanking of ABs was way harder to take.
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@antipodean did they lose by 40?
If the limit of your analytical capacity is to judge a game solely by the disparity of score, please don't post anymore.
@antipodean enlighten us, genius, what was worse than that? The ABs were almost blanked.
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@booboo said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Yeah well thank god that's over.
Am not as despondent as I should be.
I reckon this tipped on the first scrum penalty. Which the ref had to really search for.
After that it just compounded.
Maybe we'd have been better off conceding the try and getting back to halfway.
7-nil vs 13 for 8 minutes, then a flakey intercept. All the rest of the points came against 14 players and 7 forwards.
Add in that we were shit at pretty much eveything.
As @taniwharugby said this isn't the dominantion the score suggests.
A lot of that is fixable. Whether it will be is the question.
Big problem for me is does Bozo of the Barretts have an appointment with the Beak and get a game off?
The stark reality is that, despite a ref which spoke their language and multiple disruptions to our XV, Boks oughtn't to have been more than 7-3 up at halftime.
At end, Scooter second yellow (first was really wrong, because in no way connected to team warning) buggered things. In fact Pakman jr and I debated if he ought to have been subbed before then to prevent that.
BB shanks a clearance at beginning of second so Boks throw in 5 with us a man short. Soft score.
Then EDG and Big Sam subbed off for their cotton wool tracksuits, so AB development front five versus bomb squad.
In blunt terms, that was point when TWM sacrificed the game for sake of RWC.
Last 30 [official rather than actual time] had feeling of a trial match. Surreal.
The Wallabies 1978 spanking of ABs was way harder to take.
@pakman what are your thoughts on the line-out penalties? I thought they adjusted. The first one was clear as day but after that it was like the ABs had to give them 5ms space. Then it all just compounded.
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@sparky said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@NTA I see your Scooter Barrett and raise you to Ali Williams…..
Ha, maybe not so dumb...
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/former-all-black-ali-williams-finds-love-with-billionaire/EWDDR3DZQ6PHB75LFUZNPIQHBI/Really depressing second half (well done Springboks), but glad the pretense has been stripped bare before the cup. If we have any chance, it must be through the forward platform. However, weak/dumb players, deficient techniques or discipline, bad coaching. I really hope they can find a way to win the Cup, but it's unlikely....I am expecting Ireland or France to be victorious.
