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RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland

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  • MiketheSnowM MiketheSnow

    @Bones said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

    @MiketheSnow said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

    If you’re defending a lead then it’s Smith - Christie

    Why?

    Same same

    If you’re winning, continue the game plan

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    @MiketheSnow said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

    @Bones said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

    @MiketheSnow said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

    If you’re defending a lead then it’s Smith - Christie

    Why?

    Same same

    If you’re winning, continue the game plan

    Christie is nothing like Smith. I'd rather Smith play 80.

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    • Victor MeldrewV Victor Meldrew

      @Bones said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

      There is far les risk in picking Roigard than there is in picking Christie.

      There is more risk in picking Roigard, but that's more than balanced out by the bigger upside in having Roigard on the bench.

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      @Victor-Meldrew said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

      @Bones said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

      There is far les risk in picking Roigard than there is in picking Christie.

      There is more risk in picking Roigard, but that's more than balanced out by the bigger upside in having Roigard on the bench.

      Care to explain what is the risk of picking Roigard over Christie and why it would be greater by dint of that selection?

      If it's a "young rookie being overawed and shitting bed risk", what evidence do you have that Roigard is more likely to shit the bed than Christie based upon their own individual merits (as opposed to some general notion of experience handling pressure better)?

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        Roigard is a similar kind of player to Conor Murray. Ireland have 2 different style 9s in their 23. If NZ chose Christie, it suggests the ABs have one way of playing. What happens if it doesn't work? Christie isn't exactly going to snipe round the fringe.

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        @stodders said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

        Roigard is a similar kind of player to Conor Murray. Ireland have 2 different style 9s in their 23. If NZ chose Christie, it suggests the ABs have one way of playing. What happens if it doesn't work? Christie isn't exactly going to snipe round the fringe.

        More importantly, Christie's execution simply isn't going to be anywhere near Nuggie's. This is important because that style is built entirely around Nuggie's once-in-a-lifetime quality passing game. Take that away, and that particular way of playing just doesn't work. Without Nuggie, therefore, you would be better off and more effective changing your pattern of play entirely.

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        • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

          It makes no sense to go cold on Roigard based on one start vs Uruguay where he came right anyway.

          Christie has often struggled when starting (and from the bench mind you).

          If it indeed is Christie you get the sense Fozzie was looking for a reason not to select Roigard.

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          @KiwiMurph said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

          It makes no sense to go cold on Roigard based on one start vs Uruguay where he came right anyway.

          Christie has often struggled when starting (and from the bench mind you).

          If it indeed is Christie you get the sense Fozzie was looking for a reason not to select Roigard.

          Yes, and if we are going to judge our reserve halfbacks by their hiccups during this tournament, let us not forget Christie's train wreck against France in the opening match.

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          • J junior

            @Victor-Meldrew said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

            @Bones said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

            There is far les risk in picking Roigard than there is in picking Christie.

            There is more risk in picking Roigard, but that's more than balanced out by the bigger upside in having Roigard on the bench.

            Care to explain what is the risk of picking Roigard over Christie and why it would be greater by dint of that selection?

            If it's a "young rookie being overawed and shitting bed risk", what evidence do you have that Roigard is more likely to shit the bed than Christie based upon their own individual merits (as opposed to some general notion of experience handling pressure better)?

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            @junior said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

            If it's a "young rookie being overawed and shitting bed risk", what evidence do you have that Roigard is more likely to shit the bed than Christie

            If I give Christie a 5/10 in a tight, must-win Test (probably really generous based on recent form), what rating would you give Roigard? The answer is you can't because he hasn't. That's an unknown. Which is a risk.

            Does Roigard's skill-set, recent experience & performances merit taking that risk? Absolutely, and that's why I think he should be picked.

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            • BonesB Bones

              @MiketheSnow he's not the same as Smith though. He's the one that is more like Murray - flimsy wide pass, tends to fuck around, run off the ruck and throw a short pass.

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              @Bones said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

              @MiketheSnow he's not the same as Smith though. He's the one that is more like Murray - flimsy wide pass, tends to fuck around, run off the ruck and throw a short pass.

              We (The Fern) think that

              Obviously Foster doesn't

              Foster is conservative

              He obviously feels Christie is less of a risk

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              • Victor MeldrewV Victor Meldrew

                @junior said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

                If it's a "young rookie being overawed and shitting bed risk", what evidence do you have that Roigard is more likely to shit the bed than Christie

                If I give Christie a 5/10 in a tight, must-win Test (probably really generous based on recent form), what rating would you give Roigard? The answer is you can't because he hasn't. That's an unknown. Which is a risk.

                Does Roigard's skill-set, recent experience & performances merit taking that risk? Absolutely, and that's why I think he should be picked.

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                @Victor-Meldrew said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

                That's an unknown. Which is a risk.

                It's really not.

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                  But true, Bridge would be a much better pick than Faingaanuku on the bench eh. Because at least George can be rated on tough tests.

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                    Conversely if we lose the tough tests maybe that is exactly why we should consider the unptedictable but not fully tested players? And what has Foster got to lose?

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                    • nostrildamusN nostrildamus

                      Conversely if we lose the tough tests maybe that is exactly why we should consider the unptedictable but not fully tested players? And what has Foster got to lose?

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                      @nostrildamus he's already had to concede on the props and the midfield. He won't be proven wrong on hooker and halfback too.

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                      • BonesB Bones

                        @nostrildamus he's already had to concede on the props and the midfield. He won't be proven wrong on hooker and halfback too.

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                        @Bones said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

                        @nostrildamus he's already had to concede on the props and the midfield. He won't be proven wrong on hooker and halfback too.

                        I hope they have the bed made up at Keith Murdoch's old place

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                          Schmidt's new team cohesion programme.

                          <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The All Blacks bag chain is unmatched πŸ™Œ<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AllBlacks?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc^tfw">#AllBlacks</a> <a href="https://t.co/hUbXzsPdWv">pic.twitter.com/hUbXzsPdWv</a></p>β€” All Blacks (@AllBlacks) <a href="https://twitter.com/AllBlacks/status/1712275148102160455?ref_src=twsrc^tfw">October 12, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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                            Schmidt's new team cohesion programme.

                            <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The All Blacks bag chain is unmatched πŸ™Œ<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AllBlacks?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc^tfw">#AllBlacks</a> <a href="https://t.co/hUbXzsPdWv">pic.twitter.com/hUbXzsPdWv</a></p>β€” All Blacks (@AllBlacks) <a href="https://twitter.com/AllBlacks/status/1712275148102160455?ref_src=twsrc^tfw">October 12, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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                            @Derm-McCrum "everyone take two bags" obviously doesn't fit in Fozzie logic

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                            • canefanC canefan

                              @Bones said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

                              @nostrildamus he's already had to concede on the props and the midfield. He won't be proven wrong on hooker and halfback too.

                              I hope they have the bed made up at Keith Murdoch's old place

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                              @canefan said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

                              @Bones said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

                              @nostrildamus he's already had to concede on the props and the midfield. He won't be proven wrong on hooker and halfback too.

                              I hope they have the bed made up at Keith Murdoch's old place

                              This is a perfectly random nostrildamus post, well done sir.

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                                Calm people
                                Two more sleeps to go

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                                • BonesB Bones

                                  @Derm-McCrum "everyone take two bags" obviously doesn't fit in Fozzie logic

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                                  @Bones said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

                                  @Derm-McCrum "everyone take two bags" obviously doesn't fit in Fozzie logic

                                  I thought it might be passing practice - but obviously I'll defer to your greater knowledge and insights.

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                                    Schmidt's new team cohesion programme.

                                    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The All Blacks bag chain is unmatched πŸ™Œ<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AllBlacks?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc^tfw">#AllBlacks</a> <a href="https://t.co/hUbXzsPdWv">pic.twitter.com/hUbXzsPdWv</a></p>β€” All Blacks (@AllBlacks) <a href="https://twitter.com/AllBlacks/status/1712275148102160455?ref_src=twsrc^tfw">October 12, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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                                    @Derm-McCrum said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

                                    Schmidt's new team cohesion programme.

                                    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The All Blacks bag chain is unmatched πŸ™Œ<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AllBlacks?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc^tfw">#AllBlacks</a> <a href="https://t.co/hUbXzsPdWv">pic.twitter.com/hUbXzsPdWv</a></p>β€” All Blacks (@AllBlacks) <a href="https://twitter.com/AllBlacks/status/1712275148102160455?ref_src=twsrc^tfw">October 12, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

                                    Getting ready for jobs at the airport

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                                      Weather Paris Saturday https://www.accuweather.com/en/fr/paris/623/daily-weather-forecast/623

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                                        Weather Paris Saturday https://www.accuweather.com/en/fr/paris/623/daily-weather-forecast/623

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                                        @BerniesCorner cloudy and cold

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                                          @BerniesCorner cloudy and cold

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                                          @stodders said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

                                          @BerniesCorner cloudy and cold

                                          So just another Summer's day in Dublin?

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