All Blacks 2024
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
Ethan's games as AB
13 Nov vs Ireland at Dublin 20-29The starting loose forward trio in this game was Blackadder-Papalii-Savea.
that Ireland game:
- Ethan Blackadder – 6
A big day at the office in defence with 20 tackles and plenty of starch in the trenches. Was penalised on a late hit hit on Sexton, it was obvious the blacks were trying to put the fly-half off his game. No work with the ball in hand and really needed to be given more of a chance to get some go forward. Off at 61.
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/all-blacks-player-ratings-vs-ireland-autumn-nations-series/
That sounds about right. Busy, but inaccurate and not all that effective against the bigger packs. Offers zero with ball in hand which is a bit of a problem in the modern game. I'm just really battling to see how he can get selected every chance without any sort of body of work at even Super level let alone test? Is there someone in the know that can actually speak to why he is so favoured that they'd upset the balance of loosies selected just to make room for him?
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
Ethan's games as AB
13 Nov vs Ireland at Dublin 20-29The starting loose forward trio in this game was Blackadder-Papalii-Savea.
that Ireland game:
- Ethan Blackadder – 6
A big day at the office in defence with 20 tackles and plenty of starch in the trenches. Was penalised on a late hit hit on Sexton, it was obvious the blacks were trying to put the fly-half off his game. No work with the ball in hand and really needed to be given more of a chance to get some go forward. Off at 61.
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/all-blacks-player-ratings-vs-ireland-autumn-nations-series/
That sounds about right. Busy, but inaccurate and not all that effective against the bigger packs. Offers zero with ball in hand which is a bit of a problem in the modern game. I'm just really battling to see how he can get selected every chance without any sort of body of work at even Super level let alone test? Is there someone in the know that can actually speak to why he is so favoured that they'd upset the balance of loosies selected just to make room for him?
That doesn't say inaccurate, or ineffective. He offers considerably more ball in hand than Papalii or Jacobsen or Cane in my opinion. It's Savea (and Cane) that has been upsetting the balance of the loosies.
I would struggle to pick him given the injuries and lack of game time, but he is a good player with a big motor who hits hard, and I can see why coaches like him. He's far more Norm Maxwell than the Reuben Thorne someone accused him of being earlier. -
@frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@Bovidae Potentially, but if we have learned one thing from Jase Ryan, it is that he likes specialists... the way I see it Finau and Blackadder are the blindsides, Papalii and Jacobson (Who is probably holding the spot of Cane) are the opensides, and Savea and Sititi are the number eights.
Sotutu is unique in being a specialist 8, but I doubt that is why he missed selection.
@frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@Bovidae Potentially, but if we have learned one thing from Jase Ryan, it is that he likes specialists... the way I see it Finau and Blackadder are the blindsides, Papalii and Jacobson (Who is probably holding the spot of Cane) are the opensides, and Savea and Sititi are the number eights.
Sotutu is unique in being a specialist 8, but I doubt that is why he missed selection.
if people who keep telling me Ardie is an 8 no longer a 7 are correct then Sotutu is not unique...
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
Ethan's games as AB
13 Nov vs Ireland at Dublin 20-29The starting loose forward trio in this game was Blackadder-Papalii-Savea.
that Ireland game:
- Ethan Blackadder – 6
A big day at the office in defence with 20 tackles and plenty of starch in the trenches. Was penalised on a late hit hit on Sexton, it was obvious the blacks were trying to put the fly-half off his game. No work with the ball in hand and really needed to be given more of a chance to get some go forward. Off at 61.
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/all-blacks-player-ratings-vs-ireland-autumn-nations-series/
That sounds about right. Busy, but inaccurate and not all that effective against the bigger packs. Offers zero with ball in hand which is a bit of a problem in the modern game. I'm just really battling to see how he can get selected every chance without any sort of body of work at even Super level let alone test? Is there someone in the know that can actually speak to why he is so favoured that they'd upset the balance of loosies selected just to make room for him?
That doesn't say inaccurate, or ineffective. He offers considerably more ball in hand than Papalii or Jacobsen or Cane in my opinion. It's Savea (and Cane) that has been upsetting the balance of the loosies.
I would struggle to pick him given the injuries and lack of game time, but he is a good player with a big motor who hits hard, and I can see why coaches like him. He's far more Norm Maxwell than the Reuben Thorne someone accused him of being earlier.@reprobate said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
He offers considerably more ball in hand than Papalii or Jacobsen
Gold
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@frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@Bovidae Potentially, but if we have learned one thing from Jase Ryan, it is that he likes specialists... the way I see it Finau and Blackadder are the blindsides, Papalii and Jacobson (Who is probably holding the spot of Cane) are the opensides, and Savea and Sititi are the number eights.
Sotutu is unique in being a specialist 8, but I doubt that is why he missed selection.
if people who keep telling me Ardie is an 8 no longer a 7 are correct then Sotutu is not unique...
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@Bovidae Potentially, but if we have learned one thing from Jase Ryan, it is that he likes specialists... the way I see it Finau and Blackadder are the blindsides, Papalii and Jacobson (Who is probably holding the spot of Cane) are the opensides, and Savea and Sititi are the number eights.
Sotutu is unique in being a specialist 8, but I doubt that is why he missed selection.
if people who keep telling me Ardie is an 8 no longer a 7 are correct then Sotutu is not unique...
Yeah again, the Sotutu can only play 8 thing is just an excuse. Surely he could play 6? I reckon he's played 6 before....
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@Bovidae Potentially, but if we have learned one thing from Jase Ryan, it is that he likes specialists... the way I see it Finau and Blackadder are the blindsides, Papalii and Jacobson (Who is probably holding the spot of Cane) are the opensides, and Savea and Sititi are the number eights.
Sotutu is unique in being a specialist 8, but I doubt that is why he missed selection.
if people who keep telling me Ardie is an 8 no longer a 7 are correct then Sotutu is not unique...
Yeah again, the Sotutu can only play 8 thing is just an excuse. Surely he could play 6? I reckon he's played 6 before....
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@Bovidae Potentially, but if we have learned one thing from Jase Ryan, it is that he likes specialists... the way I see it Finau and Blackadder are the blindsides, Papalii and Jacobson (Who is probably holding the spot of Cane) are the opensides, and Savea and Sititi are the number eights.
Sotutu is unique in being a specialist 8, but I doubt that is why he missed selection.
if people who keep telling me Ardie is an 8 no longer a 7 are correct then Sotutu is not unique...
Yeah again, the Sotutu can only play 8 thing is just an excuse. Surely he could play 6? I reckon he's played 6 before....
I don't see why he couldn't play there. In fact he may have even played there for the All Blacks in his brief stints I'm not sure.
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@Auckman said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Patty T is an interesting one, another that hasn't really kicked on at international level, 31 with +40 tests and not a nailed on starter is small worry
Yes he's probably just a stop-gap for this year, maybe help the new younger locks get their feet. I am surprised he lasted the season and even more surprised he came back for the final.
Welcome to the Fern newbie.
Good to have you back bro.
For me Patty’s best AB footy was as an impact player off the bench. Him and Ofa Tu’ungafasi bringing some go forward late in the game.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@Auckman said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Patty T is an interesting one, another that hasn't really kicked on at international level, 31 with +40 tests and not a nailed on starter is small worry
Yes he's probably just a stop-gap for this year, maybe help the new younger locks get their feet. I am surprised he lasted the season and even more surprised he came back for the final.
Welcome to the Fern newbie.
Good to have you back bro.
For me Patty’s best AB footy was as an impact player off the bench. Him and Ofa Tu’ungafasi bringing some go forward late in the game.
Yes its been a while haha
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@Bovidae Potentially, but if we have learned one thing from Jase Ryan, it is that he likes specialists... the way I see it Finau and Blackadder are the blindsides, Papalii and Jacobson (Who is probably holding the spot of Cane) are the opensides, and Savea and Sititi are the number eights.
Sotutu is unique in being a specialist 8, but I doubt that is why he missed selection.
if people who keep telling me Ardie is an 8 no longer a 7 are correct then Sotutu is not unique...
Yeah again, the Sotutu can only play 8 thing is just an excuse. Surely he could play 6? I reckon he's played 6 before....
I don't see why he couldn't play there. In fact he may have even played there for the All Blacks in his brief stints I'm not sure.
@Auckman said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@Bovidae Potentially, but if we have learned one thing from Jase Ryan, it is that he likes specialists... the way I see it Finau and Blackadder are the blindsides, Papalii and Jacobson (Who is probably holding the spot of Cane) are the opensides, and Savea and Sititi are the number eights.
Sotutu is unique in being a specialist 8, but I doubt that is why he missed selection.
if people who keep telling me Ardie is an 8 no longer a 7 are correct then Sotutu is not unique...
Yeah again, the Sotutu can only play 8 thing is just an excuse. Surely he could play 6? I reckon he's played 6 before....
I don't see why he couldn't play there. In fact he may have even played there for the All Blacks in his brief stints I'm not sure.
I'd go as far as to say he at least has as big or close to the same body of work there as Sititi.
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just watching Sky open news and saw the team lining up for team photos. There were 40 players in the photo. Managed to freeze the picture and I.D. Josh Lord and Will Jordan as extras along with Darry, Bower, Lakai, Havilli and Love as expected.
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just watching Sky open news and saw the team lining up for team photos. There were 40 players in the photo. Managed to freeze the picture and I.D. Josh Lord and Will Jordan as extras along with Darry, Bower, Lakai, Havilli and Love as expected.
Edit: plus Sam Cane.@Daffy-Jaffy said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
just watching Sky open news and saw the team lining up for team photos. There were 40 players in the photo. Managed to freeze the picture and I.D. Josh Lord and Will Jordan as extras along with Darry, Bower, Lakai, Havilli and Love as expected. Plus one that I could not identify.
Sam Cane ?
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@Daffy-Jaffy said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
just watching Sky open news and saw the team lining up for team photos. There were 40 players in the photo. Managed to freeze the picture and I.D. Josh Lord and Will Jordan as extras along with Darry, Bower, Lakai, Havilli and Love as expected. Plus one that I could not identify.
Sam Cane ?
@Chris Yep just found him.
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@Frank said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
From Two Cents Rugby channel.
Hoskins scored way more tries and assists and good passing.
Sotutu is also better in turnovers.
Far less tackles than the others (though Jacobson shouldn't be in there because he was 7)Aligns with the comment on his work on both sides of the ball.
I think they think he shirks the defensive work.
According to this guy Blues made marginally less tackles than the Chiefs overall in the season. Can't vouch for his numbers.Blue line is tackles per game.(Sotutu lowest)
Orange line is missed tackles (Sotutu highest)
It's evident to me that their analysis is including the finals, which pumps up Sititi's defensive numbers because that's pretty much all the Chiefs did in the final. Sititi practically doubled his season average.
Season data looks a little more like this:
What's telling is the work on the other side of the ball.
Metres Carries DB CB Passes O TA Points Sotutu 638 120 26 5 124 17 7 55 Sititi 361 102 18 3 46 5 0 10 Guess Razor isn't as interested in attack.
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@Frank said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
From Two Cents Rugby channel.
Hoskins scored way more tries and assists and good passing.
Sotutu is also better in turnovers.
Far less tackles than the others (though Jacobson shouldn't be in there because he was 7)Aligns with the comment on his work on both sides of the ball.
I think they think he shirks the defensive work.
According to this guy Blues made marginally less tackles than the Chiefs overall in the season. Can't vouch for his numbers.Blue line is tackles per game.(Sotutu lowest)
Orange line is missed tackles (Sotutu highest)It's evident to me that their analysis is including the finals, which pumps up Sititi's defensive numbers because that's pretty much all the Chiefs did in the final. Sititi practically doubled his season average.
Season data looks a little more like this:
What's telling is the work on the other side of the ball.
Metres Carries DB CB Passes O TA Points Sotutu 638 120 26 5 124 17 7 55 Sititi 361 102 18 3 46 5 0 10 Guess Razor isn't as interested in attack.
Missing forest for trees.
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We only get tiny bits of info/speculation etc so anything we might say is not said from a position of authority.
It sounds like Sotutu may need some help/support with a particular side of his work - which is off the field and also being part of a team etc and displaying the kind of attitude that helps improve his overall performance and help his team mates towards that same goal.
This should have been identified before and then supported by the right specialist in the Blues/ABs.
He doesn’t appear to have an issue in the Blues environment however.
The way he has come back from the problems of last year to be the leading player in super rugby this year should speak volumes about him as a player/person.
As I say, it is just speculation and at this stage we are making shit up about why he is not in the squad.
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
This should have been identified before and then supported by the right specialist in the Blues/ABs.
The AB coaching set up worked with the Crusaders to take a look at Havili at 10 so you'd expect/think they did the same with the Blues and Hossa.
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Lakai is with the team as an ‘emerging player’. He was told he will be with the team for 2 weeks.
At the camp held the other week, Ruben Love was running at 10, Beauden Barrett wasn’t training much due to some kind of injury/infection. As far as I know, he is fine now.
The fact Love was running at 10 during that camp might tell you how big the gap is between those named and the next tier below that weren’t.
Caleb Clarke injury is also fine.
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@Machpants said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
Together We Walk
https://www.1news.co.nz/2024/06/26/together-we-walk-razor-reveals-theme-connecting-the-all-blacks/
I hope his coaching is better than his oratory, because that is fucking cringeworthy.
"We come together from all over the country. These players have been given a gift from their mum and dad to play our great game of rugby."
“We’re representing the past players that went before us that left deep footprints and now it’s our chance to walk forward into the blackness.
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@Machpants said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
Together We Walk
https://www.1news.co.nz/2024/06/26/together-we-walk-razor-reveals-theme-connecting-the-all-blacks/
I hope his coaching is better than his oratory, because that is fucking cringeworthy.
"We come together from all over the country. These players have been given a gift from their mum and dad to play our great game of rugby."
“We’re representing the past players that went before us that left deep footprints and now it’s our chance to walk forward into the blackness.
Very reminiscent of Kirwan “Better never stops”
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Lakai is with the team as an ‘emerging player’. He was told he will be with the team for 2 weeks.
At the camp held the other week, Ruben Love was running at 10, Beauden Barrett wasn’t training much due to some kind of injury/infection. As far as I know, he is fine now.
The fact Love was running at 10 during that camp might tell you how big the gap is between those named and the next tier below that weren’t.
Caleb Clarke injury is also fine.
@Landers92 said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
The fact Love was running at 10 during that camp might tell you how big the gap is between those named and the next tier below that weren’t.
The next tier among those teams that didn't make the final
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Re Hoskins: The elephant in the room is how the coaching setup has handled the situation. We don't know what was said during the SR season and before the squad announcement, but Sotutu is clearly upset/pissed off.
From a man-management perspective that is an appallingly bad look.
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Having an 8 who is excellent in lineout served us very well when Reado was in his pomp.
Seems we only have one top option in loosies, which is Finau.
@pakman said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
Having an 8 who is excellent in lineout served us very well when Reado was in his pomp.
Seems we only have one top option in loosies, which is Finau.
Read was lucky to be selected really, no versatility.
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Re Hoskins: The elephant in the room is how the coaching setup has handled the situation. We don't know what was said during the SR season and before the squad announcement, but Sotutu is clearly upset/pissed off.
From a man-management perspective that is an appallingly bad look.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
but Sotutu is clearly upset/pissed off.
I hope you're not basing that off a fucking Instagram caption. Has he come out and clearly stated he's upset/pissed off? What have I missed?
