All Blacks 2025
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@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2025:
@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
One of the best maulers around too on attack and defence.
and a workrate that is off the charts. Man he gets involved a lot - not always good outcomes, but his motor is massive
Yeah the workrate stats are interesting this year.
Locks Contact Involvements Per 80 Minutes ( Carries + Rucks + Tackles )
64.84 Zach Gallagher
58.89 Will Stodart
56.07 Isaia Walker-Leawere
54.02 Jamie Hannah
53.5 Cameron Suafoa
53.09 Fabian Holland
52.83 Caleb Delany
50.23 Josh Lord
49.83 Naitoa Ah Kuoi
49.45 Josh Beehre
48.99 Scott Barrett
47.3 Tupou Vaa'i
46.86 Patrick Tuipulotu
46.47 Antonio Shalfoon
43.36 Allan Craig
40.74 Mitchell DunsheaBased off theanalyst stats.
Of those guys, Holland would be the first actually playing 80 minutes maybe?
Yeah Holland,Barrett,Vai,Tuipulotu are the only ones playing 80 min consistently.
That matches what I've been seeing, the Dutchman has some motor, and the other 3 would all be targeting the international season. Pick him I reckon.
If he can put a few more kg on and keep the workrate he has a heap of potential. It's only really his emergence along with Vaai arguably outplaying Barrett last year which makes Barretts spot look anything less than rock solid.He's already 120kg isn't he? I think Holland should be there. Unfortunately it looks like Lord and Darry are going the way of Blackadder with their injuries.
@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2025:
@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
One of the best maulers around too on attack and defence.
and a workrate that is off the charts. Man he gets involved a lot - not always good outcomes, but his motor is massive
Yeah the workrate stats are interesting this year.
Locks Contact Involvements Per 80 Minutes ( Carries + Rucks + Tackles )
64.84 Zach Gallagher
58.89 Will Stodart
56.07 Isaia Walker-Leawere
54.02 Jamie Hannah
53.5 Cameron Suafoa
53.09 Fabian Holland
52.83 Caleb Delany
50.23 Josh Lord
49.83 Naitoa Ah Kuoi
49.45 Josh Beehre
48.99 Scott Barrett
47.3 Tupou Vaa'i
46.86 Patrick Tuipulotu
46.47 Antonio Shalfoon
43.36 Allan Craig
40.74 Mitchell DunsheaBased off theanalyst stats.
Of those guys, Holland would be the first actually playing 80 minutes maybe?
Yeah Holland,Barrett,Vai,Tuipulotu are the only ones playing 80 min consistently.
That matches what I've been seeing, the Dutchman has some motor, and the other 3 would all be targeting the international season. Pick him I reckon.
If he can put a few more kg on and keep the workrate he has a heap of potential. It's only really his emergence along with Vaai arguably outplaying Barrett last year which makes Barretts spot look anything less than rock solid.He's already 120kg isn't he? I think Holland should be there. Unfortunately it looks like Lord and Darry are going the way of Blackadder with their injuries.
Dunno, he just still looks a little on the lean side to me, and feel a few more kg would help in the collision areas at the top level. As good as Barrett is in all the ways you point out, if we look at our current lineout of him vaai savea sititi vs a retallick whitelock read kaino one, we are not close to the same class.
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@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2025:
@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
One of the best maulers around too on attack and defence.
and a workrate that is off the charts. Man he gets involved a lot - not always good outcomes, but his motor is massive
Yeah the workrate stats are interesting this year.
Locks Contact Involvements Per 80 Minutes ( Carries + Rucks + Tackles )
64.84 Zach Gallagher
58.89 Will Stodart
56.07 Isaia Walker-Leawere
54.02 Jamie Hannah
53.5 Cameron Suafoa
53.09 Fabian Holland
52.83 Caleb Delany
50.23 Josh Lord
49.83 Naitoa Ah Kuoi
49.45 Josh Beehre
48.99 Scott Barrett
47.3 Tupou Vaa'i
46.86 Patrick Tuipulotu
46.47 Antonio Shalfoon
43.36 Allan Craig
40.74 Mitchell DunsheaBased off theanalyst stats.
Of those guys, Holland would be the first actually playing 80 minutes maybe?
Yeah Holland,Barrett,Vai,Tuipulotu are the only ones playing 80 min consistently.
That matches what I've been seeing, the Dutchman has some motor, and the other 3 would all be targeting the international season. Pick him I reckon.
If he can put a few more kg on and keep the workrate he has a heap of potential. It's only really his emergence along with Vaai arguably outplaying Barrett last year which makes Barretts spot look anything less than rock solid.He's already 120kg isn't he? I think Holland should be there. Unfortunately it looks like Lord and Darry are going the way of Blackadder with their injuries.
Dunno, he just still looks a little on the lean side to me, and feel a few more kg would help in the collision areas at the top level. As good as Barrett is in all the ways you point out, if we look at our current lineout of him vaai savea sititi vs a retallick whitelock read kaino one, we are not close to the same class.
@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2025:
@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
One of the best maulers around too on attack and defence.
and a workrate that is off the charts. Man he gets involved a lot - not always good outcomes, but his motor is massive
Yeah the workrate stats are interesting this year.
Locks Contact Involvements Per 80 Minutes ( Carries + Rucks + Tackles )
64.84 Zach Gallagher
58.89 Will Stodart
56.07 Isaia Walker-Leawere
54.02 Jamie Hannah
53.5 Cameron Suafoa
53.09 Fabian Holland
52.83 Caleb Delany
50.23 Josh Lord
49.83 Naitoa Ah Kuoi
49.45 Josh Beehre
48.99 Scott Barrett
47.3 Tupou Vaa'i
46.86 Patrick Tuipulotu
46.47 Antonio Shalfoon
43.36 Allan Craig
40.74 Mitchell DunsheaBased off theanalyst stats.
Of those guys, Holland would be the first actually playing 80 minutes maybe?
Yeah Holland,Barrett,Vai,Tuipulotu are the only ones playing 80 min consistently.
That matches what I've been seeing, the Dutchman has some motor, and the other 3 would all be targeting the international season. Pick him I reckon.
If he can put a few more kg on and keep the workrate he has a heap of potential. It's only really his emergence along with Vaai arguably outplaying Barrett last year which makes Barretts spot look anything less than rock solid.He's already 120kg isn't he? I think Holland should be there. Unfortunately it looks like Lord and Darry are going the way of Blackadder with their injuries.
Dunno, he just still looks a little on the lean side to me, and feel a few more kg would help in the collision areas at the top level. As good as Barrett is in all the ways you point out, if we look at our current lineout of him vaai savea sititi vs a retallick whitelock read kaino one, we are not close to the same class.
Holland is listed at 124kg. Which would make him the heaviest out of the AB locking options. Don't know if you want him going too much heavier. Potentially losing his mobility.
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@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2025:
@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
One of the best maulers around too on attack and defence.
and a workrate that is off the charts. Man he gets involved a lot - not always good outcomes, but his motor is massive
Yeah the workrate stats are interesting this year.
Locks Contact Involvements Per 80 Minutes ( Carries + Rucks + Tackles )
64.84 Zach Gallagher
58.89 Will Stodart
56.07 Isaia Walker-Leawere
54.02 Jamie Hannah
53.5 Cameron Suafoa
53.09 Fabian Holland
52.83 Caleb Delany
50.23 Josh Lord
49.83 Naitoa Ah Kuoi
49.45 Josh Beehre
48.99 Scott Barrett
47.3 Tupou Vaa'i
46.86 Patrick Tuipulotu
46.47 Antonio Shalfoon
43.36 Allan Craig
40.74 Mitchell DunsheaBased off theanalyst stats.
Of those guys, Holland would be the first actually playing 80 minutes maybe?
Yeah Holland,Barrett,Vai,Tuipulotu are the only ones playing 80 min consistently.
That matches what I've been seeing, the Dutchman has some motor, and the other 3 would all be targeting the international season. Pick him I reckon.
If he can put a few more kg on and keep the workrate he has a heap of potential. It's only really his emergence along with Vaai arguably outplaying Barrett last year which makes Barretts spot look anything less than rock solid.He's already 120kg isn't he? I think Holland should be there. Unfortunately it looks like Lord and Darry are going the way of Blackadder with their injuries.
Dunno, he just still looks a little on the lean side to me, and feel a few more kg would help in the collision areas at the top level. As good as Barrett is in all the ways you point out, if we look at our current lineout of him vaai savea sititi vs a retallick whitelock read kaino one, we are not close to the same class.
@reprobate they are arguably the greatest collection of locks and loosies in the history of the game
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2025:
@brodean Ethan's bigger and with more endurance.
Huh? Messam was powerful and fit as anything.
Does the B in your name stand for Blackadder ?
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@reprobate they are arguably the greatest collection of locks and loosies in the history of the game
@chucknz said in All Blacks 2025:
@reprobate they are arguably the greatest collection of locks and loosies in the history of the game
Sure, but I'm just talking about the lineout skills.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 Boyd.
Ethan's run bronco times fractionally behind McCaw's.
He's not close to McCaw as a rugby player though.
@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 Boyd.
Ethan's run bronco times fractionally behind McCaw's.
He's not close to McCaw as a rugby player though.
If that's the bar then it's going to be a pretty small squad mate.
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Holland feels the obvious addition to the squad, he's been a bright spot for the Landers. His defensive workrate has been pretty fucking good - 207 tackle attempts at 92% effectiveness, 10% dominant. He has hit nearly 250 rucks on attack at about 80% effectiveness. A total of 75 carries, 21% dominant.
That stacks up very well against the other options.
Vaai has 96 tackle attempts at 88% effectiveness, 4% dominant. He has hit about 210 rucks on attack at about 90% effectiveness. A total of 106 carries, 31% dominant.
Barrett has 154 tackle attempts at 88% effectiveness, 8% dominant. He has hit about 220 rucks on attack at about 85% effectiveness. A total of 78 carries, 20% dominant.
Certainly seems that the boy has a motor and big dominant tackler around the ruck sounds really nice, alongside his line out work.
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Holland feels the obvious addition to the squad, he's been a bright spot for the Landers. His defensive workrate has been pretty fucking good - 207 tackle attempts at 92% effectiveness, 10% dominant. He has hit nearly 250 rucks on attack at about 80% effectiveness. A total of 75 carries, 21% dominant.
That stacks up very well against the other options.
Vaai has 96 tackle attempts at 88% effectiveness, 4% dominant. He has hit about 210 rucks on attack at about 90% effectiveness. A total of 106 carries, 31% dominant.
Barrett has 154 tackle attempts at 88% effectiveness, 8% dominant. He has hit about 220 rucks on attack at about 85% effectiveness. A total of 78 carries, 20% dominant.
Certainly seems that the boy has a motor and big dominant tackler around the ruck sounds really nice, alongside his line out work.
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Holland feels the obvious addition to the squad, he's been a bright spot for the Landers. His defensive workrate has been pretty fucking good - 207 tackle attempts at 92% effectiveness, 10% dominant. He has hit nearly 250 rucks on attack at about 80% effectiveness. A total of 75 carries, 21% dominant.
That stacks up very well against the other options.
Vaai has 96 tackle attempts at 88% effectiveness, 4% dominant. He has hit about 210 rucks on attack at about 90% effectiveness. A total of 106 carries, 31% dominant.
Barrett has 154 tackle attempts at 88% effectiveness, 8% dominant. He has hit about 220 rucks on attack at about 85% effectiveness. A total of 78 carries, 20% dominant.
Certainly seems that the boy has a motor and big dominant tackler around the ruck sounds really nice, alongside his line out work.
@gt12 Barrett has certainly got more active in the latter half of the season. I do think that his program was a little different given what is to come later this year for the AB captain. Not too dissimilar to what I saw from McCaw and Read previously with how they built during super rugby.
I think the coaches will keep the faith with Vaa’i but I would really like to see Barrett and Holland get a couple of starts together.
If they go with 5 locks then add Tuipoluto and Darry to above 3.
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@gt12 Barrett has certainly got more active in the latter half of the season. I do think that his program was a little different given what is to come later this year for the AB captain. Not too dissimilar to what I saw from McCaw and Read previously with how they built during super rugby.
I think the coaches will keep the faith with Vaa’i but I would really like to see Barrett and Holland get a couple of starts together.
If they go with 5 locks then add Tuipoluto and Darry to above 3.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2025:
I think the coaches will keep the faith with Vaa’i but I would really like to see Barrett and Holland get a couple of starts together.
Who would be your lineout caller in a Barrett-Holland combination? As far as I'm aware, Dunshea is the regular caller at the Highlanders and Barrett really struggled with his calls early in the 2024 Test season. The lineout against England was, at times, comical and Barrett even had the benefit of his long-term hooker Taylor throwing. It would make me nervous to see him restored as the caller.
The AB lineout only improved in my eyes when Vaa'i became the primary caller. It's what's made him such an integral part of the team during the second half of the 2024 Test season.
(I'm aware that Vaa'i is the Chiefs caller and that they've struggled this season. To me, it indicates that Vaa'i is good at Test preparation but struggles more with the spontaneous, week-to-week prep of Super Rugby. At least, that's my hypothesis.)
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2025:
@brodean Ethan's bigger and with more endurance.
https://stats.allblacks.com/all-players/profile/Liam-Messam-AB-1082
190 cm; 109kg
https://stats.allblacks.com/all-players/profile/Ethan-Blackadder-AB-1195
190cm 111kg2kg? That's just Ethan's bandages!
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2025:
I think the coaches will keep the faith with Vaa’i but I would really like to see Barrett and Holland get a couple of starts together.
Who would be your lineout caller in a Barrett-Holland combination? As far as I'm aware, Dunshea is the regular caller at the Highlanders and Barrett really struggled with his calls early in the 2024 Test season. The lineout against England was, at times, comical and Barrett even had the benefit of his long-term hooker Taylor throwing. It would make me nervous to see him restored as the caller.
The AB lineout only improved in my eyes when Vaa'i became the primary caller. It's what's made him such an integral part of the team during the second half of the 2024 Test season.
(I'm aware that Vaa'i is the Chiefs caller and that they've struggled this season. To me, it indicates that Vaa'i is good at Test preparation but struggles more with the spontaneous, week-to-week prep of Super Rugby. At least, that's my hypothesis.)
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2025:
I think the coaches will keep the faith with Vaa’i but I would really like to see Barrett and Holland get a couple of starts together.
Who would be your lineout caller in a Barrett-Holland combination? As far as I'm aware, Dunshea is the regular caller at the Highlanders and Barrett really struggled with his calls early in the 2024 Test season. The lineout against England was, at times, comical and Barrett even had the benefit of his long-term hooker Taylor throwing. It would make me nervous to see him restored as the caller.
The AB lineout only improved in my eyes when Vaa'i became the primary caller. It's what's made him such an integral part of the team during the second half of the 2024 Test season.
(I'm aware that Vaa'i is the Chiefs caller and that they've struggled this season. To me, it indicates that Vaa'i is good at Test preparation but struggles more with the spontaneous, week-to-week prep of Super Rugby. At least, that's my hypothesis.)
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Not buying the criticisms of Scott Barrett.
He was the best lock we had in 2023, being seen as more valuable than Whitelock and Retallick.
I am confident he will produce good form for the ABs this year.@Frank said in All Blacks 2025:
Not buying the criticisms of Scott Barrett.
He was the best lock we had in 2023, being seen as more valuable than Whitelock and Retallick.
I am confident he will produce good form for the ABs this year.I get the impression he is on a McCaw esque style conditioning trajectory.
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Top three are clear: Vaa'i, Barrett, Tuipulotu. Darry is injured, and Lord hasn't played much in recent seasons, so 4th spot is wide open.
@Tim said in All Blacks 2025:
Top three are clear: Vaa'i, Barrett, Tuipulotu. Darry is injured, and Lord hasn't played much in recent seasons, so 4th spot is wide open.
Holland is my pick/tip for 4th lock.
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@gt12 Barrett has certainly got more active in the latter half of the season. I do think that his program was a little different given what is to come later this year for the AB captain. Not too dissimilar to what I saw from McCaw and Read previously with how they built during super rugby.
I think the coaches will keep the faith with Vaa’i but I would really like to see Barrett and Holland get a couple of starts together.
If they go with 5 locks then add Tuipoluto and Darry to above 3.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2025:
@gt12 Barrett has certainly got more active in the latter half of the season. I do think that his program was a little different given what is to come later this year for the AB captain. Not too dissimilar to what I saw from McCaw and Read previously with how they built during super rugby.
I think the coaches will keep the faith with Vaa’i but I would really like to see Barrett and Holland get a couple of starts together.
If they go with 5 locks then add Tuipoluto and Darry to above 3.
fucking hell. Wrote that myself and then read your post.
It definitely looks like that on the eye test.
He is noticeably busier these days.
