All Blacks 2025
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
Now I know how Wales must have felt when they went into decline after their golden era of the 1970s. We seem to be getting further and further from the peak as Razor's tenure goes on. At this rate we will likely suffer a QF exit in a couple years time, if indeed we make it out of the group...
Of course fortunes can change in the space of a game. But we are a rabble right now
So 2007 again…..
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2025:
So 2007 again…..
Didn't happen and I wasn't at the Millennium Stadium on 6th October 2007
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
Now I know how Wales must have felt when they went into decline after their golden era of the 1970s. We seem to be getting further and further from the peak as Razor's tenure goes on. At this rate we will likely suffer a QF exit in a couple years time, if indeed we make it out of the group...
Of course fortunes can change in the space of a game. But we are a rabble right now
George Ford hit the post with a pen from right in front, and subsequently missed a drop goal on the hooter to win the game for England.
England "lost" that game. It was in their hands and we were spectators. We didnt "win" it.
Razor is very lucky the ledger is as "good" as it is.
Even in our wins we go life and death with everyone.
@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
Now I know how Wales must have felt when they went into decline after their golden era of the 1970s. We seem to be getting further and further from the peak as Razor's tenure goes on. At this rate we will likely suffer a QF exit in a couple years time, if indeed we make it out of the group...
Of course fortunes can change in the space of a game. But we are a rabble right now
George Ford hit the post with a pen from right in front, and subsequently missed a drop goal on the hooter to win the game for England.
England "lost" that game. It was in their hands and we were spectators. We didnt "win" it.
Razor is very lucky the ledger is as "good" as it is.
Even in our wins we go life and death with everyone.
To add to this it was George Ford that missed the tackle on Mark Telea - whilst Telea is a tough assignment it was a very poor defensive effort.
A nightmare last 10 minutes or so for George Ford.
Add in the fact that Telea had been subbed off the field earlier but only came back on due to Beauden getting a HIA I believe.
You take it but it was definitely more of an England loss than an AB win
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ANALYSIS: Scott Robertson oversaw his fifth loss since taking charge of the All Blacks on Sunday, as they went down 29-23 against Argentina in Buenos Aires. The defeat came in Robertson’s 19th match since replacing Ian Foster at the helm of New Zealand’s national men’s rugby team at the start of last year.
He has now overseen five losses faster than the last four men to be in the hot seat before him – Foster, Sir Steve Hansen, Sir Graham Henry and John Mitchell. -
@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
Now I know how Wales must have felt when they went into decline after their golden era of the 1970s. We seem to be getting further and further from the peak as Razor's tenure goes on. At this rate we will likely suffer a QF exit in a couple years time, if indeed we make it out of the group...
Of course fortunes can change in the space of a game. But we are a rabble right now
George Ford hit the post with a pen from right in front, and subsequently missed a drop goal on the hooter to win the game for England.
England "lost" that game. It was in their hands and we were spectators. We didnt "win" it.
Razor is very lucky the ledger is as "good" as it is.
Even in our wins we go life and death with everyone.
To add to this it was George Ford that missed the tackle on Mark Telea - whilst Telea is a tough assignment it was a very poor defensive effort.
A nightmare last 10 minutes or so for George Ford.
Add in the fact that Telea had been subbed off the field earlier but only came back on due to Beauden getting a HIA I believe.
You take it but it was definitely more of an England loss than an AB win
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2025:
@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
Now I know how Wales must have felt when they went into decline after their golden era of the 1970s. We seem to be getting further and further from the peak as Razor's tenure goes on. At this rate we will likely suffer a QF exit in a couple years time, if indeed we make it out of the group...
Of course fortunes can change in the space of a game. But we are a rabble right now
George Ford hit the post with a pen from right in front, and subsequently missed a drop goal on the hooter to win the game for England.
England "lost" that game. It was in their hands and we were spectators. We didnt "win" it.
Razor is very lucky the ledger is as "good" as it is.
Even in our wins we go life and death with everyone.
To add to this it was George Ford that missed the tackle on Mark Telea - whilst Telea is a tough assignment it was a very poor defensive effort.
A nightmare last 10 minutes or so for George Ford.
Add in the fact that Telea had been subbed off the field earlier but only came back on due to Beauden getting a HIA I believe.
You take it but it was definitely more of an England loss than an AB win
Beauden Barrett being off the field has resulted in some of our best patches of play over the last couple of years. His YC against the French really gave us a lift.
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@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
Now I know how Wales must have felt when they went into decline after their golden era of the 1970s. We seem to be getting further and further from the peak as Razor's tenure goes on. At this rate we will likely suffer a QF exit in a couple years time, if indeed we make it out of the group...
Of course fortunes can change in the space of a game. But we are a rabble right now
George Ford hit the post with a pen from right in front, and subsequently missed a drop goal on the hooter to win the game for England.
England "lost" that game. It was in their hands and we were spectators. We didnt "win" it.
Razor is very lucky the ledger is as "good" as it is.
Even in our wins we go life and death with everyone.
To add to this it was George Ford that missed the tackle on Mark Telea - whilst Telea is a tough assignment it was a very poor defensive effort.
A nightmare last 10 minutes or so for George Ford.
Add in the fact that Telea had been subbed off the field earlier but only came back on due to Beauden getting a HIA I believe.
You take it but it was definitely more of an England loss than an AB win
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2025:
@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
Now I know how Wales must have felt when they went into decline after their golden era of the 1970s. We seem to be getting further and further from the peak as Razor's tenure goes on. At this rate we will likely suffer a QF exit in a couple years time, if indeed we make it out of the group...
Of course fortunes can change in the space of a game. But we are a rabble right now
George Ford hit the post with a pen from right in front, and subsequently missed a drop goal on the hooter to win the game for England.
England "lost" that game. It was in their hands and we were spectators. We didnt "win" it.
Razor is very lucky the ledger is as "good" as it is.
Even in our wins we go life and death with everyone.
To add to this it was George Ford that missed the tackle on Mark Telea - whilst Telea is a tough assignment it was a very poor defensive effort.
A nightmare last 10 minutes or so for George Ford.
Add in the fact that Telea had been subbed off the field earlier but only came back on due to Beauden getting a HIA I believe.
You take it but it was definitely more of an England loss than an AB win
100% we mugged them.
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ANALYSIS: Scott Robertson oversaw his fifth loss since taking charge of the All Blacks on Sunday, as they went down 29-23 against Argentina in Buenos Aires. The defeat came in Robertson’s 19th match since replacing Ian Foster at the helm of New Zealand’s national men’s rugby team at the start of last year.
He has now overseen five losses faster than the last four men to be in the hot seat before him – Foster, Sir Steve Hansen, Sir Graham Henry and John Mitchell.@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:
ANALYSIS: Scott Robertson oversaw his fifth loss since taking charge of the All Blacks on Sunday, as they went down 29-23 against Argentina in Buenos Aires. The defeat came in Robertson’s 19th match since replacing Ian Foster at the helm of New Zealand’s national men’s rugby team at the start of last year.
He has now overseen five losses faster than the last four men to be in the hot seat before him – Foster, Sir Steve Hansen, Sir Graham Henry and John Mitchell.The worst AB coach since Wayne Smith. And who is Razor's advisor? Wayne Smith. All starting to make sense now.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:
ANALYSIS: Scott Robertson oversaw his fifth loss since taking charge of the All Blacks on Sunday, as they went down 29-23 against Argentina in Buenos Aires. The defeat came in Robertson’s 19th match since replacing Ian Foster at the helm of New Zealand’s national men’s rugby team at the start of last year.
He has now overseen five losses faster than the last four men to be in the hot seat before him – Foster, Sir Steve Hansen, Sir Graham Henry and John Mitchell.The worst AB coach since Wayne Smith. And who is Razor's advisor? Wayne Smith. All starting to make sense now.
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:
ANALYSIS: Scott Robertson oversaw his fifth loss since taking charge of the All Blacks on Sunday, as they went down 29-23 against Argentina in Buenos Aires. The defeat came in Robertson’s 19th match since replacing Ian Foster at the helm of New Zealand’s national men’s rugby team at the start of last year.
He has now overseen five losses faster than the last four men to be in the hot seat before him – Foster, Sir Steve Hansen, Sir Graham Henry and John Mitchell.The worst AB coach since Wayne Smith. And who is Razor's advisor? Wayne Smith. All starting to make sense now.
Two coaches that went straight from super rugby to ABs.....
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ANALYSIS: Scott Robertson oversaw his fifth loss since taking charge of the All Blacks on Sunday, as they went down 29-23 against Argentina in Buenos Aires. The defeat came in Robertson’s 19th match since replacing Ian Foster at the helm of New Zealand’s national men’s rugby team at the start of last year.
He has now overseen five losses faster than the last four men to be in the hot seat before him – Foster, Sir Steve Hansen, Sir Graham Henry and John Mitchell.@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:
ANALYSIS: Scott Robertson oversaw his fifth loss since taking charge of the All Blacks on Sunday, as they went down 29-23 against Argentina in Buenos Aires. The defeat came in Robertson’s 19th match since replacing Ian Foster at the helm of New Zealand’s national men’s rugby team at the start of last year.
He has now overseen five losses faster than the last four men to be in the hot seat before him – Foster, Sir Steve Hansen, Sir Graham Henry and John Mitchell.Yes but as James Parsons said if we had kicked all our shots at goal the All Blacks would have won, so all is grand.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:
ANALYSIS: Scott Robertson oversaw his fifth loss since taking charge of the All Blacks on Sunday, as they went down 29-23 against Argentina in Buenos Aires. The defeat came in Robertson’s 19th match since replacing Ian Foster at the helm of New Zealand’s national men’s rugby team at the start of last year.
He has now overseen five losses faster than the last four men to be in the hot seat before him – Foster, Sir Steve Hansen, Sir Graham Henry and John Mitchell.Yes but as James Parsons said if we had kicked all our shots at goal the All Blacks would have won, so all is grand.
@Unite said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:
ANALYSIS: Scott Robertson oversaw his fifth loss since taking charge of the All Blacks on Sunday, as they went down 29-23 against Argentina in Buenos Aires. The defeat came in Robertson’s 19th match since replacing Ian Foster at the helm of New Zealand’s national men’s rugby team at the start of last year.
He has now overseen five losses faster than the last four men to be in the hot seat before him – Foster, Sir Steve Hansen, Sir Graham Henry and John Mitchell.Yes but as James Parsons said if we had kicked all our shots at goal the All Blacks would have won, so all is grand.
It is a fact that so much else being poor means that dogshit display of goal-kicking has hardly been mentioned.
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If you make all your shots at goal and don’t receive yellow cards, you relieve pressure elsewhere, making the odd error less damaging and add pressure on the opposition on the scoreboard and with their own discipline. Those things just make the job harder.
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The goal kicking wasn't perfect on Saturday, indeed it was poor.
But focusing on that distracts from four more crucial area.
- Three Yellow Cards, two of which were very avoidable.
- Our backline only making 72 metres total in attack.
- Missing 40 tackles.
- Losing a significant majority of the aerial battles.
Perfect goalkicking would be nice, but there are some more fundamental issues to fix as well.
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The goal kicking wasn't perfect on Saturday, indeed it was poor.
But focusing on that distracts from four more crucial area.
- Three Yellow Cards, two of which were very avoidable.
- Our backline only making 72 metres total in attack.
- Missing 40 tackles.
- Losing a significant majority of the aerial battles.
Perfect goalkicking would be nice, but there are some more fundamental issues to fix as well.
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@sparky said in All Blacks 2025:
Missing 40 tackles.
This bit is concerning Fuck 40 missed tackles were we not trying or asleep.
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@Chris Another issue was how many of the tackles the ABs made were really passive, letting Los Pumos get over the gain line with ease.
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Will Razor name a squad for the Springboks games? Because I see SA and Australia have. Or is it just the squad that went to Argentina
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:
ANALYSIS: Scott Robertson oversaw his fifth loss since taking charge of the All Blacks on Sunday, as they went down 29-23 against Argentina in Buenos Aires. The defeat came in Robertson’s 19th match since replacing Ian Foster at the helm of New Zealand’s national men’s rugby team at the start of last year.
He has now overseen five losses faster than the last four men to be in the hot seat before him – Foster, Sir Steve Hansen, Sir Graham Henry and John Mitchell.Yes but as James Parsons said if we had kicked all our shots at goal the All Blacks would have won, so all is grand.
@Unite said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:
ANALYSIS: Scott Robertson oversaw his fifth loss since taking charge of the All Blacks on Sunday, as they went down 29-23 against Argentina in Buenos Aires. The defeat came in Robertson’s 19th match since replacing Ian Foster at the helm of New Zealand’s national men’s rugby team at the start of last year.
He has now overseen five losses faster than the last four men to be in the hot seat before him – Foster, Sir Steve Hansen, Sir Graham Henry and John Mitchell.Yes but as James Parsons said if we had kicked all our shots at goal the All Blacks would have won, so all is grand.
Either Jordie or Richie kick a penalty and we win the RWC2023. It matters. We don't value it.
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Will Razor name a squad for the Springboks games? Because I see SA and Australia have. Or is it just the squad that went to Argentina
@upthelanders said in All Blacks 2025:
Will Razor name a squad for the Springboks games? Because I see SA and Australia have. Or is it just the squad that went to Argentina
NZ just name a squad for the entirety of the Rugby Championship and bring in replacements if necessary.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:
ANALYSIS: Scott Robertson oversaw his fifth loss since taking charge of the All Blacks on Sunday, as they went down 29-23 against Argentina in Buenos Aires. The defeat came in Robertson’s 19th match since replacing Ian Foster at the helm of New Zealand’s national men’s rugby team at the start of last year.
He has now overseen five losses faster than the last four men to be in the hot seat before him – Foster, Sir Steve Hansen, Sir Graham Henry and John Mitchell.The worst AB coach since Wayne Smith. And who is Razor's advisor? Wayne Smith. All starting to make sense now.
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:
ANALYSIS: Scott Robertson oversaw his fifth loss since taking charge of the All Blacks on Sunday, as they went down 29-23 against Argentina in Buenos Aires. The defeat came in Robertson’s 19th match since replacing Ian Foster at the helm of New Zealand’s national men’s rugby team at the start of last year.
He has now overseen five losses faster than the last four men to be in the hot seat before him – Foster, Sir Steve Hansen, Sir Graham Henry and John Mitchell.The worst AB coach since Wayne Smith. And who is Razor's advisor? Wayne Smith. All starting to make sense now.
Really?
Who was the best coach since Wayne Smith?
Who was the second best coach since Wayne Smith?
Who was their advisor?
It wasn't Wayne Smith was it?
