All Blacks 2025
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@Tim said in All Blacks 2025:
@Mr-Fish That was our worst ever loss, and our forwards were completely dominated in the 2nd half. Not consistent with reality.
We're NZ's forwards dominated outside of the set piece?
SA built a good lead, NZ didn't know how to respond and then when they got too far behind started getting far too loose (and frankly looked like they'd given up, which is a bigger concern). Throw in the missed line outs, the scrum penalties and the high ball issues, and that's why it was NZ's biggest ever loss.
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Both Jacobson and Dalton have plenty of experience and would be MUCH better options at 7 than Savea. I've said it before but it's absolutely insane that Dalton isn't our starting 7 after Cane, towards the end of Canes career Dalton was the better player. The anti Blues bias is hurting us big time.
Sititi should have been in the squad to learn off Sotutu and Savea as an 8 (if there was even room for him), not be thrown in the deep end at 6 in his first year. Now he's asked to play 8 again, and if he was told to put on weight as suggested by one poster here then it's not surprising he's lost his main attribute which was his dynamism. Injury hasn't helped either, but that's just braindead stuff from the coaches.
Blind fucking Freddy can see that starting both Savea and Sititi will never work in the modern game. But our coaches not only do that, but they put a player like Kirifi on the bench! This combo might work at Super level but at test level, not a fucking chance.
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The vast majority of the Springboks side that were thumped 57-0 in 2017 were kept in the team and went on to win the RWC two years later.
More or less the same team that beat the Springboks last week ran out this week. Sometimes results swing one way or another. Fix the high ball game, fix the set piece and the All Blacks will be fine. Some of those things require personnel changes, som or them don't.
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2025:
The vast majority of the Springboks side that were thumped 57-0 in 2017 were kept in the team and went on to win the RWC two years later.
More or less the same team that beat the Springboks last week ran out this week. Sometimes results swing one way or another. Fix the high ball game, fix the set piece and the All Blacks will be fine. Some of those things require personnel changes, som or them don't.
Nah sorry Mr Fish.......
Even when we win its scratchy as fuck.
We are going life and death with everyone.
The team is leaderless, rudderless and shits their Calvin Kleins at the first sign of adversity.
We were a George Ford missed penalty (off the post) and missed drop goal away from losing to England too.
We won 16-15 in Razors first game against England.
24-17 in test 2 against England.
Shipped 38 points at home to lose to Argentina.
Shipped 31 against the Boks and lost by 4.
Beat the Wallabies 31-28.....winning by a pubic hair.
Beat England 24-22 in the aforementioned George Ford game, with Telea saving our asses......
Shipped 30 against France and lost by a point.
Beat Italy 29-11
Beat France (B) (C)??? 31-27 shipping a load of points again.
Lost 29-23 to Argentina.
Lost 43-10 to the Boks.This is a team who regularly ships 30 points and when they win, barely win.
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@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2025:
The vast majority of the Springboks side that were thumped 57-0 in 2017 were kept in the team and went on to win the RWC two years later.
More or less the same team that beat the Springboks last week ran out this week. Sometimes results swing one way or another. Fix the high ball game, fix the set piece and the All Blacks will be fine. Some of those things require personnel changes, som or them don't.
Nah sorry Mr Fish.......
Even when we win its scratchy as fuck.
We are going life and death with everyone.
The team is leaderless, rudderless and shits their Calvin Kleins at the first sign of adversity.
We were a George Ford missed penalty (off the post) and missed drop goal away from losing to England too.
We won 16-15 in Razors first game against England.
24-17 in test 2 against England.
Shipped 38 points at home to lose to Argentina.
Shipped 31 against the Boks and lost by 4.
Beat the Wallabies 31-28.....winning by a pubic hair.
Beat England 24-22 in the aforementioned George Ford game, with Telea saving our asses......
Shipped 30 against France and lost by a point.
Beat Italy 29-11
Beat France (B) (C)??? 31-27 shipping a load of points again.
Lost 29-23 to Argentina.
Lost 43-10 to the Boks.This is a team who regularly ships 30 points and when they win, barely win.
@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2025:
The vast majority of the Springboks side that were thumped 57-0 in 2017 were kept in the team and went on to win the RWC two years later.
More or less the same team that beat the Springboks last week ran out this week. Sometimes results swing one way or another. Fix the high ball game, fix the set piece and the All Blacks will be fine. Some of those things require personnel changes, som or them don't.
Nah sorry Mr Fish.......
Even when we win its scratchy as fuck.
We are going life and death with everyone.
The team is leaderless, rudderless and shits their Calvin Kleins at the first sign of adversity.
We were a George Ford missed penalty (off the post) and missed drop goal away from losing to England too.
We won 16-15 in Razors first game against England.
24-17 in test 2 against England.
Shipped 38 points at home to lose to Argentina.
Shipped 31 against the Boks and lost by 4.
Beat the Wallabies 31-28.....winning by a pubic hair.
Beat England 24-22 in the aforementioned George Ford game, with Telea saving our asses......
Shipped 30 against France and lost by a point.
Beat Italy 29-11
Beat France (B) (C)??? 31-27 shipping a load of points again.
Lost 29-23 to Argentina.
Lost 43-10 to the Boks.This is a team who regularly ships 30 points and when they win, barely win.
To be clear, I think NZ should be performing considerably better. Fully agree that they've flattered to deceive.
I just don't think the major issue with the team is the personnel that was selected in the latest match, or at least not in the forwards.
The halves aren't right (obviously there's an injury issue at 9 so that's more permissable at the moment) and Razor needs to select a centre that can defend, which means either Ioane or ALB (was all for Proctor at the start of the year but he's been found out on too many occasions). Think Jordan is a better wing than fullback (at least at international level) and Love needs to be tested.
The big problem now is that the young guys coming through don't have the right mentors in the team who are experienced and locked in in one position who they can learn from.
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Huge impact from Kwagga
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks 2025:
Huge impact from Kwagga
Not enough to diss the ABs in the match threads, now you're bringing anti AB match commentary into the general thread.
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The thing that hasn't changed from the worst Foster period is that we are a bad performance every second game team. We have even worse losses now though.
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The thing that hasn't changed from the worst Foster period is that we are a bad performance every second game team. We have even worse losses now though.
@Tim said in All Blacks 2025:
The thing that hasn't changed from the worst Foster period is that we are a bad performance every second game team. We have even worse losses now though.
I can't recall, but I thought we had a habit of starting poorly and coming back in the final quarter under foster? That final quarter under Robertson is the elephant in the room. So much for headspace.
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@Tim said in All Blacks 2025:
The thing that hasn't changed from the worst Foster period is that we are a bad performance every second game team. We have even worse losses now though.
I can't recall, but I thought we had a habit of starting poorly and coming back in the final quarter under foster? That final quarter under Robertson is the elephant in the room. So much for headspace.
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@Tim said in All Blacks 2025:
The thing that hasn't changed from the worst Foster period is that we are a bad performance every second game team. We have even worse losses now though.
I can't recall, but I thought we had a habit of starting poorly and coming back in the final quarter under foster? That final quarter under Robertson is the elephant in the room. So much for headspace.
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
That final quarter under Robertson is the elephant in the room. So much for headspace.
Indicates that our depth is worse, which is what you would expect from a coach that won't select forwards from the Blues.
Very disappointing to see that kind of prehistoric, parochial bigotry endorsed by NZR.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
That final quarter under Robertson is the elephant in the room. So much for headspace.
Indicates that our depth is worse, which is what you would expect from a coach that won't select forwards from the Blues.
Very disappointing to see that kind of prehistoric, parochial bigotry endorsed by NZR.
@Tim said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
That final quarter under Robertson is the elephant in the room. So much for headspace.
Indicates that our depth is worse, which is what you would expect from a coach that won't select forwards from the Blues.
Very disappointing to see that kind of prehistoric, parochial bigotry endorsed by NZR.
I don't really buy our depth is that bad.
Our tactics, selection and use of players is abysmal.
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@Tim said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
That final quarter under Robertson is the elephant in the room. So much for headspace.
Indicates that our depth is worse, which is what you would expect from a coach that won't select forwards from the Blues.
Very disappointing to see that kind of prehistoric, parochial bigotry endorsed by NZR.
I don't really buy our depth is that bad.
Our tactics, selection and use of players is abysmal.
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@Tim said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
That final quarter under Robertson is the elephant in the room. So much for headspace.
Indicates that our depth is worse, which is what you would expect from a coach that won't select forwards from the Blues.
Very disappointing to see that kind of prehistoric, parochial bigotry endorsed by NZR.
I don't really buy our depth is that bad.
Our tactics, selection and use of players is abysmal.
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@Tim said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
That final quarter under Robertson is the elephant in the room. So much for headspace.
Indicates that our depth is worse, which is what you would expect from a coach that won't select forwards from the Blues.
Very disappointing to see that kind of prehistoric, parochial bigotry endorsed by NZR.
I don't really buy our depth is that bad.
Our tactics, selection and use of players is abysmal.
Agreed. The players are there. If they weren’t, ABs wouldn’t be winning at all.
This has similarities with Boks in 2017. The same players under a different coach won WC2019.
Robertson needs to be accountable. It is his mess. He needs to be given the chance to fix it. Bledisloe coming up. No pressure. Then the home nations away in November. He needs to win them all now to salvage the year and the ABs need to consistently perform in doing so. Nothing less is acceptable now.
Mark Robinson is leaving soon. If Robertson fails, then the ABs need to bring in a new brains trust like Henry/Hansen/Smith. Jamie Joseph and throw whatever at Joe Schmidt (his country needs him) as technical advisor (given he probably doesn’t want the role full time for family reasons). Not sure who the best attack coach is in NZ, but I do know Ronan O’Gara could be tempted south with the right offer.
