All Blacks v Argentina II
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
My suggestion was to have a bench of Taukei’aho, Williams, Tosi, Lord, Sititi, Lakai, Carter and McKenzie, forming our own bomb squad. Perfect test to try it
The coaching setup have finally got around to copying a 5yr-old Rassie idea rather than coming up with fresh thinking?
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
My suggestion was to have a bench of Taukei’aho, Williams, Tosi, Lord, Sititi, Lakai, Carter and McKenzie, forming our own bomb squad. Perfect test to try it
The coaching setup have finally got around to copying a 5yr-old Rassie idea rather than coming up with fresh thinking?
What matters is the BEST team, not whether it is the product of "fresh thinking" or not
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@sparky said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Huge congratulations to Codie Taylor on reaching 100 Tests. He's been around since 2015. He watched and learned from the great Dane Coles, worked damn hard and has now become perhaps the first name on the AB team sheet.
Can remember when he was regarded on here with Christie-like reverence.
Classic case of the Fern living up to it's motto
To be fair, Taylor was in garbage form throughout all of 2022. Maybe he had to play himself back into form for the All Blacks but that's not a luxury other players get afforded. Could he have regained his form if he'd been dropped? Potentially.
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@sparky said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Huge congratulations to Codie Taylor on reaching 100 Tests. He's been around since 2015. He watched and learned from the great Dane Coles, worked damn hard and has now become perhaps the first name on the AB team sheet.
Can remember when he was regarded on here with Christie-like reverence.
Classic case of the Fern living up to it's motto
To be fair, Taylor was in garbage form throughout all of 2022. Maybe he had to play himself back into form for the All Blacks but that's not a luxury other players get afforded. Could he have regained his form if he'd been dropped? Potentially.
Yeah that combined with ST in probably career best form. It wasn't pretty.
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@sparky said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Huge congratulations to Codie Taylor on reaching 100 Tests. He's been around since 2015. He watched and learned from the great Dane Coles, worked damn hard and has now become perhaps the first name on the AB team sheet.
Can remember when he was regarded on here with Christie-like reverence.
Classic case of the Fern living up to it's motto
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@sparky said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Huge congratulations to Codie Taylor on reaching 100 Tests. He's been around since 2015. He watched and learned from the great Dane Coles, worked damn hard and has now become perhaps the first name on the AB team sheet.
Can remember when he was regarded on here with Christie-like reverence.
Classic case of the Fern living up to it's motto
I recall him being roundly lauded as of the 2017 Lions, so took a year or so to get over?
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@sparky said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Huge congratulations to Codie Taylor on reaching 100 Tests. He's been around since 2015. He watched and learned from the great Dane Coles, worked damn hard and has now become perhaps the first name on the AB team sheet.
Can remember when he was regarded on here with Christie-like reverence.
Classic case of the Fern living up to it's motto
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@sparky said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Huge congratulations to Codie Taylor on reaching 100 Tests. He's been around since 2015. He watched and learned from the great Dane Coles, worked damn hard and has now become perhaps the first name on the AB team sheet.
Can remember when he was regarded on here with Christie-like reverence.
Classic case of the Fern living up to it's motto
Feel free to actually include some context.
In 2022 Codie Taylor's form fell of a cliff. From memory there was some oil in here that he had some off the field issues he was working through
In 2022 Samisoni had a breakout year and really started putting pressure on
More recently Codie Taylor has hit a real purple patch of form and Samisoni's form has dropped away (though a highly promising display last week).
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@sparky said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Huge congratulations to Codie Taylor on reaching 100 Tests. He's been around since 2015. He watched and learned from the great Dane Coles, worked damn hard and has now become perhaps the first name on the AB team sheet.
Can remember when he was regarded on here with Christie-like reverence.
Classic case of the Fern living up to it's motto
Feel free to actually include some context.
In 2022 Codie Taylor's form fell of a cliff. From memory there was some oil in here that he had some off the field issues he was working through
In 2022 Samisoni had a breakout year and really started putting pressure on
More recently Codie Taylor has hit a real purple patch of form and Samisoni's form has dropped away (though a highly promising display last week).
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@KiwiMurph who was coaching in 2022 though...
@Bones said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@KiwiMurph who was coaching in 2022 though...
Plumtree only lasted 3 tests as forwards coach before Jase Ryan came in
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I understand Lord's selection on the bench as Razor and Ryan probably want to target the Argies LO which was a weakness during the Cordoba game. If Holland is substituted, then Lord could fill his role perfectly as far as the lineout is concerned. But Lord can't be compared to PT in terms of physicality, ball carrying and maybe of power in the scrums.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@sparky said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Huge congratulations to Codie Taylor on reaching 100 Tests. He's been around since 2015. He watched and learned from the great Dane Coles, worked damn hard and has now become perhaps the first name on the AB team sheet.
Can remember when he was regarded on here with Christie-like reverence.
Classic case of the Fern living up to it's motto
Feel free to actually include some context.
In 2022 Codie Taylor's form fell of a cliff. From memory there was some oil in here that he had some off the field issues he was working through
In 2022 Samisoni had a breakout year and really started putting pressure on
More recently Codie Taylor has hit a real purple patch of form and Samisoni's form has dropped away (though a highly promising display last week).
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@sparky said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Huge congratulations to Codie Taylor on reaching 100 Tests. He's been around since 2015. He watched and learned from the great Dane Coles, worked damn hard and has now become perhaps the first name on the AB team sheet.
Can remember when he was regarded on here with Christie-like reverence.
Classic case of the Fern living up to it's motto
Feel free to actually include some context.
In 2022 Codie Taylor's form fell of a cliff. From memory there was some oil in here that he had some off the field issues he was working through
In 2022 Samisoni had a breakout year and really started putting pressure on
More recently Codie Taylor has hit a real purple patch of form and Samisoni's form has dropped away (though a highly promising display last week).
I recall that and IIRC the coaches persisted with Cody in an attempt to play him into form. With the benefit of hindsight I'm pleased they did because his form over the last few seasons has been phenomenal.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@sparky said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Huge congratulations to Codie Taylor on reaching 100 Tests. He's been around since 2015. He watched and learned from the great Dane Coles, worked damn hard and has now become perhaps the first name on the AB team sheet.
Can remember when he was regarded on here with Christie-like reverence.
Classic case of the Fern living up to it's motto
Feel free to actually include some context.
In 2022 Codie Taylor's form fell of a cliff. From memory there was some oil in here that he had some off the field issues he was working through
In 2022 Samisoni had a breakout year and really started putting pressure on
More recently Codie Taylor has hit a real purple patch of form and Samisoni's form has dropped away (though a highly promising display last week).
I recall that and IIRC the coaches persisted with Cody in an attempt to play him into form. With the benefit of hindsight I'm pleased they did because his form over the last few seasons has been phenomenal.
@antipodean but that assumes he couldn't have been played into form for Canterbury without stinking up the bed for the All Blacks. Which might be the case, but obviously we'll never know.
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I understand Lord's selection on the bench as Razor and Ryan probably want to target the Argies LO which was a weakness during the Cordoba game. If Holland is substituted, then Lord could fill his role perfectly as far as the lineout is concerned. But Lord can't be compared to PT in terms of physicality, ball carrying and maybe of power in the scrums.
@cgrant said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
I understand Lord's selection on the bench as Razor and Ryan probably want to target the Argies LO which was a weakness during the Cordoba game. If Holland is substituted, then Lord could fill his role perfectly as far as the lineout is concerned. But Lord can't be compared to PT in terms of physicality, ball carrying and maybe of power in the scrums.
I understand Lord's selection. He's below Holland, Scott Barrett, Patrick Tuipolutu, Tupou Vaii (who is preferred as a 6 now anyway) and perhaps Sam Darry on the locking depth chart, but he's ahead of anyone else and Lock is a position where injuries are frequent.
He's an excellent lineout practitioner. Having him Test-ready and not tempted to disappear overseas is a big bonus.
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Lord at his best is probably the third-best lock New Zealand has right now (including Vaa'i in there). Unfortunately he hasn't been at his best for a number of years due to injury. With an extended run, he can hopefully regain some of that form and get him back into tip-top shape. A Holland/Lord combo with Vaa'i at 6 and Darry covering from the pine could be best in class come 2031.
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@cgrant said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
I understand Lord's selection on the bench as Razor and Ryan probably want to target the Argies LO which was a weakness during the Cordoba game. If Holland is substituted, then Lord could fill his role perfectly as far as the lineout is concerned. But Lord can't be compared to PT in terms of physicality, ball carrying and maybe of power in the scrums.
I understand Lord's selection. He's below Holland, Scott Barrett, Patrick Tuipolutu, Tupou Vaii (who is preferred as a 6 now anyway) and perhaps Sam Darry on the locking depth chart, but he's ahead of anyone else and Lock is a position where injuries are frequent.
He's an excellent lineout practitioner. Having him Test-ready and not tempted to disappear overseas is a big bonus.
@sparky said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@cgrant said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
I understand Lord's selection on the bench as Razor and Ryan probably want to target the Argies LO which was a weakness during the Cordoba game. If Holland is substituted, then Lord could fill his role perfectly as far as the lineout is concerned. But Lord can't be compared to PT in terms of physicality, ball carrying and maybe of power in the scrums.
I understand Lord's selection. He's below Holland, Scott Barrett, Patrick Tuipolutu, Tupou Vaii (who is preferred as a 6 now anyway) and perhaps Sam Darry on the locking depth chart, but he's ahead of anyone else and Lock is a position where injuries are frequent.
He's an excellent lineout practitioner. Having him Test-ready and not tempted to disappear overseas is a big bonus.
Yeah that’s how I see it , just a case of next man up .And they might give holland a spell , he’s played a lot of minutes .
And getting experience into him won’t hurt long term .
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I understand Lord's selection on the bench as Razor and Ryan probably want to target the Argies LO which was a weakness during the Cordoba game. If Holland is substituted, then Lord could fill his role perfectly as far as the lineout is concerned. But Lord can't be compared to PT in terms of physicality, ball carrying and maybe of power in the scrums.
@cgrant said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
I understand Lord's selection on the bench as Razor and Ryan probably want to target the Argies LO which was a weakness during the Cordoba game. If Holland is substituted, then Lord could fill his role perfectly as far as the lineout is concerned. But Lord can't be compared to PT in terms of physicality, ball carrying and maybe of power in the scrums.
He’s not a power lock. Would go well with Patty T, and to an extent Scooter.
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@cgrant said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
I understand Lord's selection on the bench as Razor and Ryan probably want to target the Argies LO which was a weakness during the Cordoba game. If Holland is substituted, then Lord could fill his role perfectly as far as the lineout is concerned. But Lord can't be compared to PT in terms of physicality, ball carrying and maybe of power in the scrums.
He’s not a power lock. Would go well with Patty T, and to an extent Scooter.
@pakman
Power locks are not legions in NZ : IWL and PT are the only ones that come to my mind. Beehre is a grafter but not a powerful ball carrier. Gallagher has the physique but does not use it as he should do. Vakasiuola is a good prospect. -
@pakman
Power locks are not legions in NZ : IWL and PT are the only ones that come to my mind. Beehre is a grafter but not a powerful ball carrier. Gallagher has the physique but does not use it as he should do. Vakasiuola is a good prospect. -
@Bones said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@cgrant my eyes have been impressed with Beehre's carrying this season.
Beehre had some of the best attacking stats among the locks last season super season. Carrying, defenders beaten, and post contact metres were impressive.
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@pakman
Power locks are not legions in NZ : IWL and PT are the only ones that come to my mind. Beehre is a grafter but not a powerful ball carrier. Gallagher has the physique but does not use it as he should do. Vakasiuola is a good prospect.@cgrant said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@pakman
Power locks are not legions in NZ : IWL and PT are the only ones that come to my mind. Beehre is a grafter but not a powerful ball carrier. Gallagher has the physique but does not use it as he should do. Vakasiuola is a good prospect.Being up to snuff at TH lock is key to withstanding Boks scrum.
Patty T, after being poor technically for much of his career, came of age as a scrummager behind Renata under Cotter.
Scooter, who is a world class LH scrummager, has made good fist of moving to TH as required, a la Big Sam.
Vaa’i has developed into a top quality TH scrummager. -
I can’t say I’ve noticed how Parker defends. Assumed solid, and neither a thumper nor a scragger. @Bovidae?
@pakman said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
I can’t say I’ve noticed how Parker defends. Assumed solid, and neither a thumper nor a scragger. @Bovidae?
A little bit of all of the above, to be honest. I wouldn't say he regularly puts in big hits but he has smashed a few ball-carriers in the past. He isn't the lightest on his feet (not without a bit of time to build monetum) which mean he sometimes has to scrag players who are going around him.
