All Blacks v Argentina II
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@akan004 said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@mencey said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
I just watched the interview. He may be a good block but S Barrett is no captain. IMHO
Not even a good lock atm.
He was adequate today. Didn’t let the side down with his play.
But his captaincy and control of the team is nonexistent
@stodders said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@akan004 said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@mencey said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
I just watched the interview. He may be a good block but S Barrett is no captain. IMHO
Not even a good lock atm.
He was adequate today. Didn’t let the side down with his play.
But his captaincy and control of the team is nonexistent
Paddy T is a better lock. We missed him today. Even if fit Tuipulotu would still be playing second fiddle to Barrett but he should be starting with Holland.
Poor discipline.
Probably the worst ABs backline of the pro era.
Still the Pumas are very good when on and had to win sooner or later at home.
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@Jet Adidas were close to bailing when they re-signed 2 years? Ago....although from what I heard it is more an exit of thier rugby sponsorships as opposed to the ABs, but as thier.flagship team, next time....
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Jet Adidas were close to bailing when they re-signed 2 years? Ago....although from what I heard it is more an exit of thier rugby sponsorships as opposed to the ABs, but as thier.flagship team, next time....
Perhaps we weren’t woke enough for Adidas. That would be a surprise…….
An AB loss by 6 points where we made a mountain of errors, had 3 YCs, couldn’t make the crucial kicks.
In terms of the intangibles and maybe some were alluding to it earlier, but I personally am not a fan of the massive build up for a player milestone game. The stuff during the week and then it’s always a ‘big’ haka. There’s already enough pressure and players seemingly playing ‘not too lose’ - which has been a feature of AB rugby over multiple journeys
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@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Last 20 minutes was terrible.
Panicking, no leadership, brain farts.I thought it was more they didn’t execute the basics well enough. They had field position, then didn’t win the lineout. Relieved pressure. When it went 26-20, they just needed to settle, kick for territory and squeeze the Pumas into a mistake (which they were making).
As it was, their exits were poor and they compounded that with yet another YC. One YC in a game is bad. But three!!! ABs may be the most carded team right now, but they have earned the reputation. Got to own it now and stop doing stupid shit. Hit lower, don’t change your line, don’t flap at the ball on your goal line!
@stodders said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
I thought it was more they didn’t execute the basics well enough.
This was the hallmark of the great sides. They just did the basics with a low error rate over and over again. It wins shit. It's simple. We don't have to be bigger faster or stronger than others ,just not cough up double digit unforced errors in a game.
The attitude at training comes through. Ryan was on record this week basically saying 'if you're not dropping ball in training you're not trying hard enough. So bring on the drops, I love them.' This caused my simple head to spin a bit - he's a damn good coach, but you train as you play and dropping balls in training kind of feels lik eit's going out onto the pitch at the moment.
Gods we were spoiled for 16 years, and now we're paying the piper.
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@Frank said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@kidcalder said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Bring in Schmitt after RC he is available then.
Read Foster's book and you'll begin to understand why Schmidt wanted nothing to do with the AB's after RWC2023
Please summarize why.
NZR and the Commercial arm of the All Blacks are a shit show currently, pretty much
@Unite said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Frank said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@kidcalder said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Bring in Schmitt after RC he is available then.
Read Foster's book and you'll begin to understand why Schmidt wanted nothing to do with the AB's after RWC2023
Please summarize why.
NZR and the Commercial arm of the All Blacks are a shit show currently, pretty much
Umm ... this just popped up on my X feed.
The fuck?
https://twitter.com/SimonRAnderson/status/1861641135174934977?t=4iohNts5VjI1ug87lRBbfg&s=19
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@Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
We big bigger bodies in to the 23 then get out muscled.
I don't think that's size, just attitude and body position. We did some really good stuff out there up front, but also some utter shithouse play.
Also, Rieko wasn't great, but he was the best of the back 3 out there today. Which makes me shake my head.
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@Unite said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Frank said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@kidcalder said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Bring in Schmitt after RC he is available then.
Read Foster's book and you'll begin to understand why Schmidt wanted nothing to do with the AB's after RWC2023
Please summarize why.
NZR and the Commercial arm of the All Blacks are a shit show currently, pretty much
Umm ... this just popped up on my X feed.
The fuck?
https://twitter.com/SimonRAnderson/status/1861641135174934977?t=4iohNts5VjI1ug87lRBbfg&s=19
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Jet Adidas were close to bailing when they re-signed 2 years? Ago....although from what I heard it is more an exit of thier rugby sponsorships as opposed to the ABs, but as thier.flagship team, next time....
Perhaps we weren’t woke enough for Adidas. That would be a surprise…….
An AB loss by 6 points where we made a mountain of errors, had 3 YCs, couldn’t make the crucial kicks.
In terms of the intangibles and maybe some were alluding to it earlier, but I personally am not a fan of the massive build up for a player milestone game. The stuff during the week and then it’s always a ‘big’ haka. There’s already enough pressure and players seemingly playing ‘not too lose’ - which has been a feature of AB rugby over multiple journeys
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Perhaps we weren’t woke enough for Adidas. That would be a surprise…….
See my post above ...
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Also, SBarret is not an AB captains asshole. Should never have made him captain when it wasn't even clear he was the best lock in the country. Stupid decision.
Who’s the captain then? It’s definitely not Savea. He doesn’t have the leadership skills either
@jimmyb said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Also, SBarret is not an AB captains asshole. Should never have made him captain when it wasn't even clear he was the best lock in the country. Stupid decision.
Who’s the captain then? It’s definitely not Savea. He doesn’t have the leadership skills either
Taylor. Trouble is he doesn't play 80.
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Don't understand why Jordie attempted that chip kick in the first half, off his left of I recall correctly.
He really hasn't performed v Argentina to the level he did v France and it doesn't seem like there is a ready made alternative when he's not playing well.
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Don't understand why Jordie attempted that chip kick in the first half, off his left of I recall correctly.
He really hasn't performed v Argentina to the level he did v France and it doesn't seem like there is a ready made alternative when he's not playing well.
@nonpartizan said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Don't understand why Jordie attempted that chip kick in the first half, off his left of I recall correctly.
He really hasn't performed v Argentina to the level he did v France and it doesn't seem like there is a ready made alternative when he's not playing well.
the issue for me is seeing good players playing well who seem to go backwards with teams. I've seen the blues wrecking 10s for years. Now I start to worry about seriously good players like Jordie seeming to go backwards in AB camp. Fatties are generally going the other way, but our backline catching, aerial positoining, kicking and tackling is a bit shit right now.
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@Unite said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Frank said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@kidcalder said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Bring in Schmitt after RC he is available then.
Read Foster's book and you'll begin to understand why Schmidt wanted nothing to do with the AB's after RWC2023
Please summarize why.
NZR and the Commercial arm of the All Blacks are a shit show currently, pretty much
Umm ... this just popped up on my X feed.
The fuck?
https://twitter.com/SimonRAnderson/status/1861641135174934977?t=4iohNts5VjI1ug87lRBbfg&s=19
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@nzzp said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@booboo surely satire?
https://www.linkedin.com/in/judy-o-brien-2bb6931a5?originalSubdomain=nz
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@nonpartizan said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Don't understand why Jordie attempted that chip kick in the first half, off his left of I recall correctly.
He really hasn't performed v Argentina to the level he did v France and it doesn't seem like there is a ready made alternative when he's not playing well.
the issue for me is seeing good players playing well who seem to go backwards with teams. I've seen the blues wrecking 10s for years. Now I start to worry about seriously good players like Jordie seeming to go backwards in AB camp. Fatties are generally going the other way, but our backline catching, aerial positoining, kicking and tackling is a bit shit right now.
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@nonpartizan said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Don't understand why Jordie attempted that chip kick in the first half, off his left of I recall correctly.
He really hasn't performed v Argentina to the level he did v France and it doesn't seem like there is a ready made alternative when he's not playing well.
the issue for me is seeing good players playing well who seem to go backwards with teams. I've seen the blues wrecking 10s for years. Now I start to worry about seriously good players like Jordie seeming to go backwards in AB camp. Fatties are generally going the other way, but our backline catching, aerial positoining, kicking and tackling is a bit shit right now.
On the backs - you think some of the problem is that the abs don't have someone playing in that 10 or 12 area who can smash it over the gain line?
There's no-one of the type of Nonu or SBW who can take it hard into contact and attract multiple defenders creating space out wide.
The attacking play seems very lateral and teams can easily defend it by drifting.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@nonpartizan said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Don't understand why Jordie attempted that chip kick in the first half, off his left of I recall correctly.
He really hasn't performed v Argentina to the level he did v France and it doesn't seem like there is a ready made alternative when he's not playing well.
the issue for me is seeing good players playing well who seem to go backwards with teams. I've seen the blues wrecking 10s for years. Now I start to worry about seriously good players like Jordie seeming to go backwards in AB camp. Fatties are generally going the other way, but our backline catching, aerial positoining, kicking and tackling is a bit shit right now.
On the backs - you think some of the problem is that the abs don't have someone playing in that 10 or 12 area who can smash it over the gain line?
There's no-one of the type of Nonu or SBW who can take it hard into contact and attract multiple defenders creating space out wide.
The attacking play seems very lateral and teams can easily defend it by drifting.
@nonpartizan said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
The attacking play seems very lateral and teams can easily defend it by drifting.
Dont worry, RMo will be direct.
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@stodders said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@akan004 said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@mencey said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
I just watched the interview. He may be a good block but S Barrett is no captain. IMHO
Not even a good lock atm.
He was adequate today. Didn’t let the side down with his play.
But his captaincy and control of the team is nonexistent
Paddy T is a better lock. We missed him today. Even if fit Tuipulotu would still be playing second fiddle to Barrett but he should be starting with Holland.
Poor discipline.
Probably the worst ABs backline of the pro era.
Still the Pumas are very good when on and had to win sooner or later at home.
@brodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@stodders said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@akan004 said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@mencey said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
I just watched the interview. He may be a good block but S Barrett is no captain. IMHO
Not even a good lock atm.
He was adequate today. Didn’t let the side down with his play.
But his captaincy and control of the team is nonexistent
Paddy T is a better lock. We missed him today. Even if fit Tuipulotu would still be playing second fiddle to Barrett but he should be starting with Holland.
Poor discipline.
Probably the worst ABs backline of the pro era.
Still the Pumas are very good when on and had to win sooner or later at home.
am also wondering if Patty T provides some quiet leadership when he comes in off the bench.
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@nonpartizan said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Don't understand why Jordie attempted that chip kick in the first half, off his left of I recall correctly.
He really hasn't performed v Argentina to the level he did v France and it doesn't seem like there is a ready made alternative when he's not playing well.
the issue for me is seeing good players playing well who seem to go backwards with teams. I've seen the blues wrecking 10s for years. Now I start to worry about seriously good players like Jordie seeming to go backwards in AB camp. Fatties are generally going the other way, but our backline catching, aerial positoining, kicking and tackling is a bit shit right now.
@nzzp Jordie looked good in the NH, then early on v France, but seems we coached the good out of him, again...we def have issues with some of our coaching at all levels.
Edit - also developing game plans to suit our players, seems Fozzie and now Razor have an idea on what they wanted to do (even if not apparent) yet the players simply looked lost alot of the time.
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@stodders said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
I thought it was more they didn’t execute the basics well enough.
This was the hallmark of the great sides. They just did the basics with a low error rate over and over again. It wins shit. It's simple. We don't have to be bigger faster or stronger than others ,just not cough up double digit unforced errors in a game.
The attitude at training comes through. Ryan was on record this week basically saying 'if you're not dropping ball in training you're not trying hard enough. So bring on the drops, I love them.' This caused my simple head to spin a bit - he's a damn good coach, but you train as you play and dropping balls in training kind of feels lik eit's going out onto the pitch at the moment.
Gods we were spoiled for 16 years, and now we're paying the piper.
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@stodders said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
I thought it was more they didn’t execute the basics well enough.
This was the hallmark of the great sides. They just did the basics with a low error rate over and over again. It wins shit. It's simple. We don't have to be bigger faster or stronger than others ,just not cough up double digit unforced errors in a game.
The disappointing thing for me was the little possession we had. In my view you don’t put yourself in a winning possession against decent opposition with only 40% possession. Both teams had a number of high turnovers lost, similar to the Boks and Aussie match, but we didn’t hold on to the ball enough. Our kick rate was quite low this test (on 18 kicks) but we just allowed them to have the ball for too long.
