All Blacks v Argentina II
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Also, SBarret is not an AB captains asshole. Should never have made him captain when it wasn't even clear he was the best lock in the country. Stupid decision.
Who’s the captain then? It’s definitely not Savea. He doesn’t have the leadership skills either
@jimmyb said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Also, SBarret is not an AB captains asshole. Should never have made him captain when it wasn't even clear he was the best lock in the country. Stupid decision.
Who’s the captain then? It’s definitely not Savea. He doesn’t have the leadership skills either
Taylor. Trouble is he doesn't play 80.
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Don't understand why Jordie attempted that chip kick in the first half, off his left of I recall correctly.
He really hasn't performed v Argentina to the level he did v France and it doesn't seem like there is a ready made alternative when he's not playing well.
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Don't understand why Jordie attempted that chip kick in the first half, off his left of I recall correctly.
He really hasn't performed v Argentina to the level he did v France and it doesn't seem like there is a ready made alternative when he's not playing well.
@nonpartizan said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Don't understand why Jordie attempted that chip kick in the first half, off his left of I recall correctly.
He really hasn't performed v Argentina to the level he did v France and it doesn't seem like there is a ready made alternative when he's not playing well.
the issue for me is seeing good players playing well who seem to go backwards with teams. I've seen the blues wrecking 10s for years. Now I start to worry about seriously good players like Jordie seeming to go backwards in AB camp. Fatties are generally going the other way, but our backline catching, aerial positoining, kicking and tackling is a bit shit right now.
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@Unite said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Frank said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@kidcalder said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Bring in Schmitt after RC he is available then.
Read Foster's book and you'll begin to understand why Schmidt wanted nothing to do with the AB's after RWC2023
Please summarize why.
NZR and the Commercial arm of the All Blacks are a shit show currently, pretty much
Umm ... this just popped up on my X feed.
The fuck?
https://twitter.com/SimonRAnderson/status/1861641135174934977?t=4iohNts5VjI1ug87lRBbfg&s=19
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@nzzp said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@booboo surely satire?
https://www.linkedin.com/in/judy-o-brien-2bb6931a5?originalSubdomain=nz
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@nonpartizan said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Don't understand why Jordie attempted that chip kick in the first half, off his left of I recall correctly.
He really hasn't performed v Argentina to the level he did v France and it doesn't seem like there is a ready made alternative when he's not playing well.
the issue for me is seeing good players playing well who seem to go backwards with teams. I've seen the blues wrecking 10s for years. Now I start to worry about seriously good players like Jordie seeming to go backwards in AB camp. Fatties are generally going the other way, but our backline catching, aerial positoining, kicking and tackling is a bit shit right now.
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@nonpartizan said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Don't understand why Jordie attempted that chip kick in the first half, off his left of I recall correctly.
He really hasn't performed v Argentina to the level he did v France and it doesn't seem like there is a ready made alternative when he's not playing well.
the issue for me is seeing good players playing well who seem to go backwards with teams. I've seen the blues wrecking 10s for years. Now I start to worry about seriously good players like Jordie seeming to go backwards in AB camp. Fatties are generally going the other way, but our backline catching, aerial positoining, kicking and tackling is a bit shit right now.
On the backs - you think some of the problem is that the abs don't have someone playing in that 10 or 12 area who can smash it over the gain line?
There's no-one of the type of Nonu or SBW who can take it hard into contact and attract multiple defenders creating space out wide.
The attacking play seems very lateral and teams can easily defend it by drifting.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@nonpartizan said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Don't understand why Jordie attempted that chip kick in the first half, off his left of I recall correctly.
He really hasn't performed v Argentina to the level he did v France and it doesn't seem like there is a ready made alternative when he's not playing well.
the issue for me is seeing good players playing well who seem to go backwards with teams. I've seen the blues wrecking 10s for years. Now I start to worry about seriously good players like Jordie seeming to go backwards in AB camp. Fatties are generally going the other way, but our backline catching, aerial positoining, kicking and tackling is a bit shit right now.
On the backs - you think some of the problem is that the abs don't have someone playing in that 10 or 12 area who can smash it over the gain line?
There's no-one of the type of Nonu or SBW who can take it hard into contact and attract multiple defenders creating space out wide.
The attacking play seems very lateral and teams can easily defend it by drifting.
@nonpartizan said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
The attacking play seems very lateral and teams can easily defend it by drifting.
Dont worry, RMo will be direct.
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@stodders said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@akan004 said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@mencey said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
I just watched the interview. He may be a good block but S Barrett is no captain. IMHO
Not even a good lock atm.
He was adequate today. Didn’t let the side down with his play.
But his captaincy and control of the team is nonexistent
Paddy T is a better lock. We missed him today. Even if fit Tuipulotu would still be playing second fiddle to Barrett but he should be starting with Holland.
Poor discipline.
Probably the worst ABs backline of the pro era.
Still the Pumas are very good when on and had to win sooner or later at home.
@brodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@stodders said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@akan004 said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@mencey said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
I just watched the interview. He may be a good block but S Barrett is no captain. IMHO
Not even a good lock atm.
He was adequate today. Didn’t let the side down with his play.
But his captaincy and control of the team is nonexistent
Paddy T is a better lock. We missed him today. Even if fit Tuipulotu would still be playing second fiddle to Barrett but he should be starting with Holland.
Poor discipline.
Probably the worst ABs backline of the pro era.
Still the Pumas are very good when on and had to win sooner or later at home.
am also wondering if Patty T provides some quiet leadership when he comes in off the bench.
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@nonpartizan said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Don't understand why Jordie attempted that chip kick in the first half, off his left of I recall correctly.
He really hasn't performed v Argentina to the level he did v France and it doesn't seem like there is a ready made alternative when he's not playing well.
the issue for me is seeing good players playing well who seem to go backwards with teams. I've seen the blues wrecking 10s for years. Now I start to worry about seriously good players like Jordie seeming to go backwards in AB camp. Fatties are generally going the other way, but our backline catching, aerial positoining, kicking and tackling is a bit shit right now.
@nzzp Jordie looked good in the NH, then early on v France, but seems we coached the good out of him, again...we def have issues with some of our coaching at all levels.
Edit - also developing game plans to suit our players, seems Fozzie and now Razor have an idea on what they wanted to do (even if not apparent) yet the players simply looked lost alot of the time.
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@stodders said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
I thought it was more they didn’t execute the basics well enough.
This was the hallmark of the great sides. They just did the basics with a low error rate over and over again. It wins shit. It's simple. We don't have to be bigger faster or stronger than others ,just not cough up double digit unforced errors in a game.
The attitude at training comes through. Ryan was on record this week basically saying 'if you're not dropping ball in training you're not trying hard enough. So bring on the drops, I love them.' This caused my simple head to spin a bit - he's a damn good coach, but you train as you play and dropping balls in training kind of feels lik eit's going out onto the pitch at the moment.
Gods we were spoiled for 16 years, and now we're paying the piper.
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@stodders said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
I thought it was more they didn’t execute the basics well enough.
This was the hallmark of the great sides. They just did the basics with a low error rate over and over again. It wins shit. It's simple. We don't have to be bigger faster or stronger than others ,just not cough up double digit unforced errors in a game.
The disappointing thing for me was the little possession we had. In my view you don’t put yourself in a winning possession against decent opposition with only 40% possession. Both teams had a number of high turnovers lost, similar to the Boks and Aussie match, but we didn’t hold on to the ball enough. Our kick rate was quite low this test (on 18 kicks) but we just allowed them to have the ball for too long.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@nonpartizan said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Don't understand why Jordie attempted that chip kick in the first half, off his left of I recall correctly.
He really hasn't performed v Argentina to the level he did v France and it doesn't seem like there is a ready made alternative when he's not playing well.
the issue for me is seeing good players playing well who seem to go backwards with teams. I've seen the blues wrecking 10s for years. Now I start to worry about seriously good players like Jordie seeming to go backwards in AB camp. Fatties are generally going the other way, but our backline catching, aerial positoining, kicking and tackling is a bit shit right now.
On the backs - you think some of the problem is that the abs don't have someone playing in that 10 or 12 area who can smash it over the gain line?
There's no-one of the type of Nonu or SBW who can take it hard into contact and attract multiple defenders creating space out wide.
The attacking play seems very lateral and teams can easily defend it by drifting.
@nonpartizan said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@nonpartizan said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Don't understand why Jordie attempted that chip kick in the first half, off his left of I recall correctly.
He really hasn't performed v Argentina to the level he did v France and it doesn't seem like there is a ready made alternative when he's not playing well.
the issue for me is seeing good players playing well who seem to go backwards with teams. I've seen the blues wrecking 10s for years. Now I start to worry about seriously good players like Jordie seeming to go backwards in AB camp. Fatties are generally going the other way, but our backline catching, aerial positoining, kicking and tackling is a bit shit right now.
On the backs - you think some of the problem is that the abs don't have someone playing in that 10 or 12 area who can smash it over the gain line?
There's no-one of the type of Nonu or SBW who can take it hard into contact and attract multiple defenders creating space out wide.
The attacking play seems very lateral and teams can easily defend it by drifting.
Don't have anyone, or don't want to play that way? We seem obsessed with moving it wide, even though most of our tries are built on more direct forward play
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@nonpartizan said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
The attacking play seems very lateral and teams can easily defend it by drifting.
Dont worry, RMo will be direct.
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@nonpartizan said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
The attacking play seems very lateral and teams can easily defend it by drifting.
Dont worry, RMo will be direct
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@nzzp Jordie looked good in the NH, then early on v France, but seems we coached the good out of him, again...we def have issues with some of our coaching at all levels.
Edit - also developing game plans to suit our players, seems Fozzie and now Razor have an idea on what they wanted to do (even if not apparent) yet the players simply looked lost alot of the time.
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@nzzp Jordie looked good in the NH, then early on v France, but seems we coached the good out of him, again...we def have issues with some of our coaching at all levels.
Edit - also developing game plans to suit our players, seems Fozzie and now Razor have an idea on what they wanted to do (even if not apparent) yet the players simply looked lost alot of the time.
What is our game plan? As soon as we get the ball in our 50m it's a box kick or chip kick straight back and hope for the best. We lost the aerial battle today and us kicking it straight back did nothing to help matters.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@nzzp Jordie looked good in the NH, then early on v France, but seems we coached the good out of him, again...we def have issues with some of our coaching at all levels.
Edit - also developing game plans to suit our players, seems Fozzie and now Razor have an idea on what they wanted to do (even if not apparent) yet the players simply looked lost alot of the time.
What is our game plan? As soon as we get the ball in our 50m it's a box kick or chip kick straight back and hope for the best. We lost the aerial battle today and us kicking it straight back did nothing to help matters.
@chimoaus well, I am sure.there is one, but seems we either suck at it, or it's a shitty game plan...probably a bit from column a and b?
I mean look how long we had Ioane at 13, one of the quickest players in the game, and none of what we did was to try and put him in space or create mis-matches, we really are not utilising the players we have...
As to the kicking bs, we'll this ain't a.new issue for us, been poor for years, at hoth super and international level, seems no one is interested in improving this aspect of our games
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@nonpartizan said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@nonpartizan said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Don't understand why Jordie attempted that chip kick in the first half, off his left of I recall correctly.
He really hasn't performed v Argentina to the level he did v France and it doesn't seem like there is a ready made alternative when he's not playing well.
the issue for me is seeing good players playing well who seem to go backwards with teams. I've seen the blues wrecking 10s for years. Now I start to worry about seriously good players like Jordie seeming to go backwards in AB camp. Fatties are generally going the other way, but our backline catching, aerial positoining, kicking and tackling is a bit shit right now.
On the backs - you think some of the problem is that the abs don't have someone playing in that 10 or 12 area who can smash it over the gain line?
There's no-one of the type of Nonu or SBW who can take it hard into contact and attract multiple defenders creating space out wide.
The attacking play seems very lateral and teams can easily defend it by drifting.
Don't have anyone, or don't want to play that way? We seem obsessed with moving it wide, even though most of our tries are built on more direct forward play
@canefan said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@nonpartizan said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@nonpartizan said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Don't understand why Jordie attempted that chip kick in the first half, off his left of I recall correctly.
He really hasn't performed v Argentina to the level he did v France and it doesn't seem like there is a ready made alternative when he's not playing well.
the issue for me is seeing good players playing well who seem to go backwards with teams. I've seen the blues wrecking 10s for years. Now I start to worry about seriously good players like Jordie seeming to go backwards in AB camp. Fatties are generally going the other way, but our backline catching, aerial positoining, kicking and tackling is a bit shit right now.
On the backs - you think some of the problem is that the abs don't have someone playing in that 10 or 12 area who can smash it over the gain line?
There's no-one of the type of Nonu or SBW who can take it hard into contact and attract multiple defenders creating space out wide.
The attacking play seems very lateral and teams can easily defend it by drifting.
Don't have anyone, or don't want to play that way? We seem obsessed with moving it wide, even though most of our tries are built on more direct forward play
Yes. The All Blacks actually look like a machine when the pack is firing on all cylinders and they are keeping it tight. The more the backs get their hands on it the more it seems to unravel.
One thing I noticed since Roigard has gone out I feel like they have not really used the blindside as effectively in attack..... The play is just all on the openside. At least it feels that way.
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These stats are not good viewing. How the score is that close beggars belief.
