All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I
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@sparky Literally saved Razor from a massive Fern rant.
@BerniesCorner Did it though?
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
We don't have a brutal ball runner.
I can't recall the last player we had that just trucked it up full tilt.
Even peak Read didnt really like those guys do, he was a bit more subtle but then he had cleaners and forwards there instantly to secure ball.
Going back to the discussion around players in NZ that are similar to Read, I feel one guy that I thought would be the next Read is Devan Flanders. Unfortunately he’s just always injured, if he can go for a long period without getting injured, he’s someone that’s definitely got a similar frame and skillset and could flourish on at test level. Needs to improve his physicality though.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
Going back to the discussion around players in NZ that are similar to Read, I feel one guy that I thought would be the next Read is Devan Flanders.
You suggesting a Hurricanes player.
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@MacDazzler said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
Beauden gun player in his prime but father time beats no one and it's a good opportunity to give Love and bring in Jacomb or Reihana into the squad a chance to play at 10. Obviously DMac will start next week but these blokes need to be tested at international level playing 10 at some point.
Agreed, apart from Father Time beating no one.
@Frank Re edited the post. Had it around the wrong way.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
Going back to the discussion around players in NZ that are similar to Read, I feel one guy that I thought would be the next Read is Devan Flanders.
You suggesting a Hurricanes player.
Well, fuck me!@Frank said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
Going back to the discussion around players in NZ that are similar to Read, I feel one guy that I thought would be the next Read is Devan Flanders.
You suggesting a Hurricanes player.
Well, fuck me!As a Wellingtonian I hate to talk up Hawkes Bay players but to me he would be the most like Read if you compared size and his ball playing ability, aggression and physicality is where those comparisons fall short but he could get there if he had a good stretch without being injured. Playing very well for the Magpies this season.
Hugh Renton was another guy I thought could be the next K Read but probably didn’t reach the heights he could have for multiple reasons. Not even sure if he’s at the Highlanders for next season.
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Should have been a penalty try under the sticks
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
Should have been a penalty try under the sticks
And a yellow card. To Holland I think it was.
Easy decision for a referee based on the momentum they had.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
I'm not the biggest Darry fan but the ABs could definitely use him in the squad. The starting duo of Vaai and Holland just doesn't have enough bulk and starch.
Another example of a worrying selection in our forward pack - just like persisting with Sititi at 8 this season when clearly he needs a reset/spell out of the team and to come back.
about 115kg and over 120kg respectively ? really ?
Disclaimer: I'm completely guessing those weights.
Well I guess my point is they dont play like it
They dont use their bulk
Numbers can say one thing and the eye test says another - just like how I dont really give a fuck if Nic Gill wants to come out and tell everyone how fast Rieko is - he clearly doesn't have the same pace and explosion as he used to.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
Well I guess my point is they dont play like it
They dont use their bulk
Might help if they ran onto the ball, rather than watching a giraffe attempt some "fast feet" to find a soft shoulder.
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I thought the AB backs showed much more promise in this game than most of the season. Roigard was magnificent, Carter was great and Jordie and Dmac kept the Aussies busy AND got to the right place often.
Not so happy with the forwards. Loosies were pretty average, including Lakai. The odd impact moment from Ardie though.
I still see a few rough edges in the play of Holland and would prefer Vaai and Pat T starting and Scooter on the bench. Sititi Lomax, Procter and Beaudie all looked like they might need a rest next week.
We just lucky JOC made 3 bad kick errors and Aussie missing so many of their best players.
Anyways, great to see AB backs running hard on to the ball and with it, and much better use of passes to get guys into space. -
Some on here are a bit glass half empty I think.
DMac at 10, Holland starting, Paddy T, Roigard, Clarke would have made a big difference v SA -
Some on here are a bit glass half empty I think.
DMac at 10, Holland starting, Paddy T, Roigard, Clarke would have made a big difference v SA@BerniesCorner Agreed, Holland was fantastic tonight, Vaii was shocking.
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@BerniesCorner Agreed, Holland was fantastic tonight, Vaii was shocking.
@upthelanders said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@BerniesCorner Agreed, Holland was fantastic tonight, Vaii was shocking.
Vaai was rocks n diamonds. great turnover to get us on attack, then doesn't use an overlap. penalised badly at a ruck so we lose possession, then gets a good turnover to get it back.
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@upthelanders said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@BerniesCorner Agreed, Holland was fantastic tonight, Vaii was shocking.
Vaai was rocks n diamonds. great turnover to get us on attack, then doesn't use an overlap. penalised badly at a ruck so we lose possession, then gets a good turnover to get it back.
@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@upthelanders said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@BerniesCorner Agreed, Holland was fantastic tonight, Vaii was shocking.
Vaai was rocks n diamonds. great turnover to get us on attack, then doesn't use an overlap. penalised badly at a ruck so we lose possession, then gets a good turnover to get it back.
True.
I must admit the one thing I do like about Vaa'i is that he's always active. He never has a game where you don't notice him because he's quiet or uninvolved. He may not always make the right play but he's always in the thick of the action.
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We win but I enjoyed how the Aussies played more than the way we did.
Some tough decisions went against the Aussies..
We just do not get any better some players should not have a black jersey.
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@Darth-Sader said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
how to win the game and yet not change the mind of your fans.
You can’t say we’ve really got on top of any of the three RC teams. SA was a real reality dose, and tonight feels a bit lucky too. Not great.
Razors wins are all by a fag papers width.
We have been blessed to have won some of these games.
@Jet said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@Darth-Sader said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
how to win the game and yet not change the mind of your fans.
You can’t say we’ve really got on top of any of the three RC teams. SA was a real reality dose, and tonight feels a bit lucky too. Not great.
Razors wins are all by a fag papers width.
We have been blessed to have won some of these games.
Bit harsh with that description of the Herald 🤪
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@sparky Literally saved Razor from a massive Fern rant.
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@sparky Literally saved Razor from a massive Fern rant.
he says he doesn't read media..
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@Frank said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
Going back to the discussion around players in NZ that are similar to Read, I feel one guy that I thought would be the next Read is Devan Flanders.
You suggesting a Hurricanes player.
Well, fuck me!As a Wellingtonian I hate to talk up Hawkes Bay players but to me he would be the most like Read if you compared size and his ball playing ability, aggression and physicality is where those comparisons fall short but he could get there if he had a good stretch without being injured. Playing very well for the Magpies this season.
Hugh Renton was another guy I thought could be the next K Read but probably didn’t reach the heights he could have for multiple reasons. Not even sure if he’s at the Highlanders for next season.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@Frank said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
Going back to the discussion around players in NZ that are similar to Read, I feel one guy that I thought would be the next Read is Devan Flanders.
You suggesting a Hurricanes player.
Well, fuck me!As a Wellingtonian I hate to talk up Hawkes Bay players but to me he would be the most like Read if you compared size and his ball playing ability, aggression and physicality is where those comparisons fall short but he could get there if he had a good stretch without being injured. Playing very well for the Magpies this season.
Hugh Renton was another guy I thought could be the next K Read but probably didn’t reach the heights he could have for multiple reasons. Not even sure if he’s at the Highlanders for next season.
Read was ( and I emphasise ‘was’, crikey he is looking slim since he retired ) a similar size to Papalii ( and guys like Squire and Dixon before him ) and smaller than Parker and Finau. What he had was that intangible hard running quality that seems so lacking in guys nowadays apart from Ardie Savea. Why is that ?
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@Frank said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
Going back to the discussion around players in NZ that are similar to Read, I feel one guy that I thought would be the next Read is Devan Flanders.
You suggesting a Hurricanes player.
Well, fuck me!As a Wellingtonian I hate to talk up Hawkes Bay players but to me he would be the most like Read if you compared size and his ball playing ability, aggression and physicality is where those comparisons fall short but he could get there if he had a good stretch without being injured. Playing very well for the Magpies this season.
Hugh Renton was another guy I thought could be the next K Read but probably didn’t reach the heights he could have for multiple reasons. Not even sure if he’s at the Highlanders for next season.
Read was ( and I emphasise ‘was’, crikey he is looking slim since he retired ) a similar size to Papalii ( and guys like Squire and Dixon before him ) and smaller than Parker and Finau. What he had was that intangible hard running quality that seems so lacking in guys nowadays apart from Ardie Savea. Why is that ?
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@Frank said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
Going back to the discussion around players in NZ that are similar to Read, I feel one guy that I thought would be the next Read is Devan Flanders.
You suggesting a Hurricanes player.
Well, fuck me!As a Wellingtonian I hate to talk up Hawkes Bay players but to me he would be the most like Read if you compared size and his ball playing ability, aggression and physicality is where those comparisons fall short but he could get there if he had a good stretch without being injured. Playing very well for the Magpies this season.
Hugh Renton was another guy I thought could be the next K Read but probably didn’t reach the heights he could have for multiple reasons. Not even sure if he’s at the Highlanders for next season.
Read was ( and I emphasise ‘was’, crikey he is looking slim since he retired ) a similar size to Papalii ( and guys like Squire and Dixon before him ) and smaller than Parker and Finau. What he had was that intangible hard running quality that seems so lacking in guys nowadays apart from Ardie Savea. Why is that ?
Savea isn't really a hard runner, he generally only starts running after someone has tackled him. And how dare they?
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The tactics by both teams in attack were surprisingly very similar.
Both teams had the lowest number of kicks in play for any test they have played this year. The setups for hr in close carrying.
Was promising to see us win 100% of our set piece. Especially when some were predicting Aussies would attack our set piece after the Boks test.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@Frank said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
Going back to the discussion around players in NZ that are similar to Read, I feel one guy that I thought would be the next Read is Devan Flanders.
You suggesting a Hurricanes player.
Well, fuck me!As a Wellingtonian I hate to talk up Hawkes Bay players but to me he would be the most like Read if you compared size and his ball playing ability, aggression and physicality is where those comparisons fall short but he could get there if he had a good stretch without being injured. Playing very well for the Magpies this season.
Hugh Renton was another guy I thought could be the next K Read but probably didn’t reach the heights he could have for multiple reasons. Not even sure if he’s at the Highlanders for next season.
Read was ( and I emphasise ‘was’, crikey he is looking slim since he retired ) a similar size to Papalii ( and guys like Squire and Dixon before him ) and smaller than Parker and Finau. What he had was that intangible hard running quality that seems so lacking in guys nowadays apart from Ardie Savea. Why is that ?
Savea isn't really a hard runner, he generally only starts running after someone has tackled him. And how dare they?
@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@Frank said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
Going back to the discussion around players in NZ that are similar to Read, I feel one guy that I thought would be the next Read is Devan Flanders.
You suggesting a Hurricanes player.
Well, fuck me!As a Wellingtonian I hate to talk up Hawkes Bay players but to me he would be the most like Read if you compared size and his ball playing ability, aggression and physicality is where those comparisons fall short but he could get there if he had a good stretch without being injured. Playing very well for the Magpies this season.
Hugh Renton was another guy I thought could be the next K Read but probably didn’t reach the heights he could have for multiple reasons. Not even sure if he’s at the Highlanders for next season.
Read was ( and I emphasise ‘was’, crikey he is looking slim since he retired ) a similar size to Papalii ( and guys like Squire and Dixon before him ) and smaller than Parker and Finau. What he had was that intangible hard running quality that seems so lacking in guys nowadays apart from Ardie Savea. Why is that ?
Savea isn't really a hard runner, he generally only starts running after someone has tackled him. And how dare they?
He is compared to everyone else, I would have had Sititi in that category last year but not so much on recent form
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This was the key moment:
https://twitter.com/sanzartrc/status/1971828157801288185?s=46
@sparky said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
This was the key moment:
https://twitter.com/sanzartrc/status/1971828157801288185?s=46
This came after a long period of Ardie watching the game from midfield. I actually said my oldest son, watch how lazy Ardie is, he will refuse to hit a ruck or put a shoulder in. He did this for 5 phases in a row then gave away an idiotic penalty
5 mins later he does the thing in the clip you sent, and apparently all is forgiven again and he’s having a “key moment”
He’s a total fraud
