All Blacks 2026
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@nonpartizan said in All Blacks 2026:
@Donsteppa said in All Blacks 2026:
@W32 said in All Blacks 2026:
Apologies if this has been asked, but if the ABs were rated #1 in the world instead of #2, does the fern think he still would have been canned? Has this happened because a NZ coach (TB) is assisting Nzeds biggest rival and Kirk et al are thinking this is a genius move? Word is that it wasn't a player revolt so one has to think it’s because the ABs are not number one.
Or is this shake up because NZ rugby as a whole is in a shambles and Razor has effectively been the scapegoat?I think it's less about NZ Rugby as a whole, and more that the All Blacks themselves were a complete shambles by their long term standards.
I've commented probably a few times now - Razor should have been sacked after the night of the Wellington loss to the Springboks.
Not because they lost, but because All Black sides simply do not give up with 20 minutes to go in a game of rugby.
The win percentage sometimes commented on is a red herring. The All Blacks could be selected, enter a game week with no coaches, and ordinarily should still win a moderate-ish percentage, given some of their schedules.
I'm not defending Razor here but what about the actual players that gave up? If you just stop trying in a match isn't that more so your fault then the coach?
It just seems like the players are coddled in this sense.
Several of them probably should have been sent packing for a while too. Which comes back to the coach/selectors too... and it may have helped their cause.
Long run, the All Blacks have almost never had a culture of clocking out. It's cliche words in some ways, but to me, that's what makes them the All Blacks and not just any rugby team.
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@ploughboy said in All Blacks 2026:
be interesting to see were robertson ends up
to quote him from when he was courting for the job
bullaIf he has ambition, head to Europe, if he wants money, head to Japan, if he wants comfort and his ego rubbed, head back to Chch.
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@Donsteppa said in All Blacks 2026:
@nonpartizan said in All Blacks 2026:
@Donsteppa said in All Blacks 2026:
@W32 said in All Blacks 2026:
Apologies if this has been asked, but if the ABs were rated #1 in the world instead of #2, does the fern think he still would have been canned? Has this happened because a NZ coach (TB) is assisting Nzeds biggest rival and Kirk et al are thinking this is a genius move? Word is that it wasn't a player revolt so one has to think it’s because the ABs are not number one.
Or is this shake up because NZ rugby as a whole is in a shambles and Razor has effectively been the scapegoat?I think it's less about NZ Rugby as a whole, and more that the All Blacks themselves were a complete shambles by their long term standards.
I've commented probably a few times now - Razor should have been sacked after the night of the Wellington loss to the Springboks.
Not because they lost, but because All Black sides simply do not give up with 20 minutes to go in a game of rugby.
The win percentage sometimes commented on is a red herring. The All Blacks could be selected, enter a game week with no coaches, and ordinarily should still win a moderate-ish percentage, given some of their schedules.
I'm not defending Razor here but what about the actual players that gave up? If you just stop trying in a match isn't that more so your fault then the coach?
It just seems like the players are coddled in this sense.
Several of them probably should have been sent packing for a while too. Which comes back to the coach/selectors too... and it may have helped their cause.
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True. Razors approach to selections were strange to say the least. Just seemed to pick the same players over and over. Never did understand why he was not more brave in his selections and after all that still lost his job.I just see SBW call for Ardie to be skipper and don't buy it. He wants his coach to be his best mate.
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@ploughboy said in All Blacks 2026:
be interesting to see were robertson ends up
to quote him from when he was courting for the job
bullaI saw some Harlequins fans commenting on Reddit yesterday that they’d like him to come to their club, and it was also mentioned by a Ferner yesterday that Quins were mentioned.
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@allblackfan2 said in All Blacks 2026:
SBW social media post reported in RNZ.
“This is just my honest thoughts and opinion, but I think we need a coaching group that knows how to connect before correcting. Because these players know how to play and we do have the squad," he said. Williams name-dropped Jamie Joseph, Tony Brown, Dave Rennie and Tana Umaga as potential heirs to Robertson”
He also called for Ardie to be made captain.
Tana is a potential for the new coaching team I haven’t seen suggested/discussed here as yet, unless I missed something?
@allblackfan2 said in All Blacks 2026:
SBW social media post reported in RNZ.
“This is just my honest thoughts and opinion, but I think we need a coaching group that knows how to connect before correcting. Because these players know how to play and we do have the squad," he said. Williams name-dropped Jamie Joseph, Tony Brown, Dave Rennie and Tana Umaga as potential heirs to Robertson”
He also called for Ardie to be made captain.
Tana is a potential for the new coaching team I haven’t seen suggested/discussed here as yet, unless I missed something?
Maybe professional sport is different to every other profession, but any successful work place I’ve worked in or encountered has had the mantra of fit in for fuck off. I’m sure that applies to coaches as well but connecting too much means too many chefs in the kitchen
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@jimmyb said in All Blacks 2026:
@allblackfan2 said in All Blacks 2026:
SBW social media post reported in RNZ.
“This is just my honest thoughts and opinion, but I think we need a coaching group that knows how to connect before correcting. Because these players know how to play and we do have the squad," he said. Williams name-dropped Jamie Joseph, Tony Brown, Dave Rennie and Tana Umaga as potential heirs to Robertson”
He also called for Ardie to be made captain.
Tana is a potential for the new coaching team I haven’t seen suggested/discussed here as yet, unless I missed something?
@allblackfan2 said in All Blacks 2026:
SBW social media post reported in RNZ.
“This is just my honest thoughts and opinion, but I think we need a coaching group that knows how to connect before correcting. Because these players know how to play and we do have the squad," he said. Williams name-dropped Jamie Joseph, Tony Brown, Dave Rennie and Tana Umaga as potential heirs to Robertson”
He also called for Ardie to be made captain.
Tana is a potential for the new coaching team I haven’t seen suggested/discussed here as yet, unless I missed something?
Maybe professional sport is different to every other profession, but any successful work place I’ve worked in or encountered has had the mantra of fit in for fuck off. I’m sure that applies to coaches as well but connecting too much means too many chefs in the kitchen
Yeah, Razors coaching group appears to have been horrendous communicators but you probably don't want to go too far in the other direction like it's group therapy.
You don't have to be best mates with your coaches, tbh don't even have to like each other, just be able to work effectively together.
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@nonpartizan said in All Blacks 2026:
@jimmyb said in All Blacks 2026:
@allblackfan2 said in All Blacks 2026:
SBW social media post reported in RNZ.
“This is just my honest thoughts and opinion, but I think we need a coaching group that knows how to connect before correcting. Because these players know how to play and we do have the squad," he said. Williams name-dropped Jamie Joseph, Tony Brown, Dave Rennie and Tana Umaga as potential heirs to Robertson”
He also called for Ardie to be made captain.
Tana is a potential for the new coaching team I haven’t seen suggested/discussed here as yet, unless I missed something?
@allblackfan2 said in All Blacks 2026:
SBW social media post reported in RNZ.
“This is just my honest thoughts and opinion, but I think we need a coaching group that knows how to connect before correcting. Because these players know how to play and we do have the squad," he said. Williams name-dropped Jamie Joseph, Tony Brown, Dave Rennie and Tana Umaga as potential heirs to Robertson”
He also called for Ardie to be made captain.
Tana is a potential for the new coaching team I haven’t seen suggested/discussed here as yet, unless I missed something?
Maybe professional sport is different to every other profession, but any successful work place I’ve worked in or encountered has had the mantra of fit in for fuck off. I’m sure that applies to coaches as well but connecting too much means too many chefs in the kitchen
Yeah, Razors coaching group appears to have been horrendous communicators but you probably don't want to go too far in the other direction like it's group therapy.
You don't have to be best mates with your coaches, tbh don't even have to like each other, just be able to work effectively together.
On that note as was mentioned a few months back Richie McCaw didn't even try and get personal with teammates, asking how their wives were etc. He liked to keep it all professional as per Kieran Read.
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@jimmyb said in All Blacks 2026:
Fairly biting remakes from Smith. Not saying I agree it was a bad decision, but interesting nonetheless
The win percentage is a red herring.
DMAC twinkle toes away from losing to Scotland.
Harsh red against Beirne in Chicago changed that game. (Beirne was Lions player of the series)
George ford hit post with a pen and fluffed a drop goal to win in Twickenham in 2024.
Beat France C 34-27 AT HOME.
The Boks beat us by 33, we beat them by 4. (Ardies last minute turnover in our own 22 saved a loss).
Beat Australia 31-28 in the 2024 Bledisloe.
Beat England by 1 point in his first match.We went life and death with everyone (even when we won), and under Razors tenure shipping 20 points became the norm. In our losses it was quite often 30+.
It was squeaky bum time every fucking Saturday.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2026:
@W32 this exact same thing, by all accounts this is probably more to do.with off field as it is performance and the bigger picture, selection, growth, development.
I see plenty of off shore pundits are looking at his win % and questioning the decision.
The 3 games against France B inflate this. Our % against the top sides is not good and I suspect the board considered this.
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@jimmyb said in All Blacks 2026:
Fairly biting remakes from Smith. Not saying I agree it was a bad decision, but interesting nonetheless
For me that's sufficient evidence that the benefit of Wayne's presence has exhausted itself. He's tainted as a mentor by the outcome of the review when he fixates on the winning percentage and not the manner of the play on the field.
He may be a nice guy who genuinely feels for Razor, but he's also the person who said it's what the stats don't tell you you see for yourself.
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@W32 said in All Blacks 2026:
Apologies if this has been asked, but if the ABs were rated #1 in the world instead of #2, does the fern think he still would have been canned? Has this happened because a NZ coach (TB) is assisting Nzeds biggest rival and Kirk et al are thinking this is a genius move? Word is that it wasn't a player revolt so one has to think it’s because the ABs are not number one.
Or is this shake up because NZ rugby as a whole is in a shambles and Razor has effectively been the scapegoat?In order:
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No
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@W32 said in All Blacks 2026:
Apologies if this has been asked, but
My 2c
if the ABs were rated #1 in the world instead of #2, does the fern think he still would have been canned?
Difficult to determine, and a moot point. I kind of think yes as the KPI that failed IMO was not results. If the team was not dysfunctional the results would likely be better.
Has this happened because a NZ coach (TB) is assisting Nzeds biggest rival and Kirk et al are thinking this is a genius move?
Irrelevant
Word is that it wasn't a player revolt so one has to think it’s because the ABs are not number one.
See above.
Or is this shake up because NZ rugby as a whole is in a shambles
Contributing factor.
and Razor has effectively been the scapegoat?
No. There were specific reasons for his removal.
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@Jet said in All Blacks 2026:
@jimmyb said in All Blacks 2026:
Fairly biting remakes from Smith. Not saying I agree it was a bad decision, but interesting nonetheless
The win percentage is a red herring.
DMAC twinkle toes away from losing to Scotland.
Harsh red against Beirne in Chicago changed that game. (Beirne was Lions player of the series)
George ford hit post with a pen and fluffed a drop goal to win in Twickenham in 2024.
Beat France C 34-27 AT HOME.
The Boks beat us by 33, we beat them by 4. (Ardies last minute turnover in our own 22 saved a loss).
Beat Australia 31-28 in the 2024 Bledisloe.
Beat England by 1 point in his first match.We went life and death with everyone (even when we won), and under Razors tenure shipping 20 points became the norm. In our losses it was quite often 30+.
It was squeaky bum time every fucking Saturday.
Yup and biggest problem all along was D.
just never stopped shipping points - gave up 26 to Wales.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2026:
I've never warmed to Robertson's personality and always found it cringe-worthy when listening to him speak. Obviously there are reasons for that, some known, others perhaps not, but I wasn't surprised when reading what a sports journalist had to say about his press conferences:
"You can't really make sense of what he is saying. If that's what he is like to the media, what is he like behind closed doors?"
Agreed - a point I've made before. Add to Razor's incoherent ramblings the manglement of Scott Hansen and it's no wonder our teams looked utterly confused in the second half.
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2026:
@Jet said in All Blacks 2026:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2026:
I actually just remembered something that Goldie Wilson said on Breakdown. He hopes we go back to traditional All Black rugby, as we have drifted away from it.
Anyway, I just waiting to see who get's the gig now. I am a JJ fan, and had wanted him for sometime , just a feeling I have, no great knowledge or anything. And as much as anything , if he gets it who will he get in his group,Is it fair to say Jamie Joseph was a bit of a grub as a player?
Remember a bit of biff from him against the English, not that I'll hold that against him.
Hell a bit of biff doesn't make you a grub mate. I never ever considered myself a grub, but had the odd friendly discussion on field without needing to use words. And never thought the fellas I needed to sort things out with were either, in fact the few times it did happen, I can recall always having a beer personally with them after game.
And certainly at top level if you were to call anyone a grub who gave someone a clip when things needed to be sorted , you would calling an awful lot of them that!
Ever break a bloke's ankle by stomping on it?
