2025 All Blacks v France series
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@gt12 said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
Provides the best 12/13 cover from the bench and has been a great servant. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him there but he hasn’t exactly added heaps off the bench.
On a broader level, if that’s where we are staying with our selections, we’ll be lucky to get much impact from the bench.
I love him very much, I’ll be happy for him if he’s there but some very good players will miss out.
Jordie
TupaeaProctor
IoaneWould be the first four names. Lam is about as well, and big Jim.
We should have a full schedule for the AB XV
ALBs YC numbers are right up there....
ALB didn't play a full season this year but he did last year. He had zero yellow cards in SRP and gave away 3 penalties for the whole season over 14 games.
BTW I wouldn't select ALB or David Havili but for different reasons.
I'd go with:
Jordie Barrett (Hurricanes)
Quinn Tupaea (Chiefs)
Rieko Ioane (Blues)
Billy Proctor (Hurricanes)
AJ Lam (Blues) -
ALB didn't play a full season this year but he did last year. He had zero yellow cards in SRP and gave away 3 penalties for the whole season over 14 games.
BTW I wouldn't select ALB or David Havili but for different reasons.
I'd go with:
Jordie Barrett (Hurricanes)
Quinn Tupaea (Chiefs)
Rieko Ioane (Blues)
Billy Proctor (Hurricanes)
AJ Lam (Blues)@brodean said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
ALB didn't play a full season this year but he did last year. He had zero yellow cards in SRP and gave away 3 penalties for the whole season over 14 games.
BTW I wouldn't select ALB or David Havili but for different reasons.
I'd go with:
Jordie Barrett (Hurricanes)
Quinn Tupaea (Chiefs)
Rieko Ioane (Blues)
Billy Proctor (Hurricanes)
AJ Lam (Blues)He racked up a couple in tests IIRC
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Some midfield attack stats:
Gainline %
79.5% AJ Lam
76.7% Xavi Taele
75.7% Riley Higgins
67.9% Sam Gilbert
67.7% Gideon Wrampling
65.5% Corey Evans
64.9% Rieko Ioane
63.7% Quinn Tupaea
62.0% Lalomilo Lalomilo
61.5% David Havili
60.9% Leicester Fainga'anuku
60.8% Tanielu Tele'a
60.5% Daniel Rona
60.3% Billy Proctor
60.2% Peter Umaga-Jensen
59.6% Levi Aumua
58.0% Bailyn Sullivan
54.0% Jordie Barrett
54.0% Anton Lienert-Brown
53.6% Braydon EnnorDominant Carry %
62.3% AJ Lam
56.8% Sam Gilbert
54.4% Bailyn Sullivan
52.5% Leicester Fainga'anuku
52.2% Tanielu Tele'a
51.2% Peter Umaga-Jensen
48.0% Gideon Wrampling
41.2% Quinn Tupaea
39.7% Lalomilo Lalomilo
37.8% Rieko Ioane
37.0% Corey Evans
35.5% Tamati Tua
35.3% Billy Proctor
34.5% Timoci Tavatavanawai
34.3% Riley Higgins
34.1% Jordie Barrett
32.0% Braydon Ennor
31.8% Levi Aumua
31.0% Xavi Taele
29.7% Daniel RonaCarries Committing 2+ Tacklers
74.0% AJ Lam
70.8% Timoci Tavatavanawai
70.2% Levi Aumua
67.5% Quinn Tupaea
66.3% Leicester Fainga'anuku
64.0% Anton Lienert-Brown
62.4% Peter Umaga-Jensen
59.1% Bailyn Sullivan
58.6% Billy Proctor
58.1% Tanielu Tele'a
58.1% Gideon Wrampling
53.5% Lalomilo Lalomilo
53.5% Xavi Taele
50.5% Rieko Ioane
50.0% Jordie Barrett
50.0% Braydon Ennor
48.6% Riley Higgins
48.5% Tamati Tua
42.3% David Havili
38.3% Daniel RonaTackle Evasion %
44.8% Billy Proctor
35.3% AJ Lam
34.8% Timoci Tavatavanawai
31.0% David Havili
30.6% Leicester Fainga'anuku
28.4% Tanielu Tele'a
27.7% Sam Gilbert
27.0% Levi Aumua
26.7% Peter Umaga-Jensen
26.4% Corey Evans
26.3% Jordie Barrett
25.9% Anton Lienert-Brown
25.6% Bailyn Sullivan
25.0% Braydon Ennor
23.6% Lalomilo Lalomilo
22.9% Tamati Tua
21.7% Gideon Wrampling
21.3% Daniel Rona
18.8% Riley Higgins
18.7% Quinn Tupaea
15.9% Xavi Taele
12.6% Rieko Ioane -
Some midfield attack stats:
Gainline %
79.5% AJ Lam
76.7% Xavi Taele
75.7% Riley Higgins
67.9% Sam Gilbert
67.7% Gideon Wrampling
65.5% Corey Evans
64.9% Rieko Ioane
63.7% Quinn Tupaea
62.0% Lalomilo Lalomilo
61.5% David Havili
60.9% Leicester Fainga'anuku
60.8% Tanielu Tele'a
60.5% Daniel Rona
60.3% Billy Proctor
60.2% Peter Umaga-Jensen
59.6% Levi Aumua
58.0% Bailyn Sullivan
54.0% Jordie Barrett
54.0% Anton Lienert-Brown
53.6% Braydon EnnorDominant Carry %
62.3% AJ Lam
56.8% Sam Gilbert
54.4% Bailyn Sullivan
52.5% Leicester Fainga'anuku
52.2% Tanielu Tele'a
51.2% Peter Umaga-Jensen
48.0% Gideon Wrampling
41.2% Quinn Tupaea
39.7% Lalomilo Lalomilo
37.8% Rieko Ioane
37.0% Corey Evans
35.5% Tamati Tua
35.3% Billy Proctor
34.5% Timoci Tavatavanawai
34.3% Riley Higgins
34.1% Jordie Barrett
32.0% Braydon Ennor
31.8% Levi Aumua
31.0% Xavi Taele
29.7% Daniel RonaCarries Committing 2+ Tacklers
74.0% AJ Lam
70.8% Timoci Tavatavanawai
70.2% Levi Aumua
67.5% Quinn Tupaea
66.3% Leicester Fainga'anuku
64.0% Anton Lienert-Brown
62.4% Peter Umaga-Jensen
59.1% Bailyn Sullivan
58.6% Billy Proctor
58.1% Tanielu Tele'a
58.1% Gideon Wrampling
53.5% Lalomilo Lalomilo
53.5% Xavi Taele
50.5% Rieko Ioane
50.0% Jordie Barrett
50.0% Braydon Ennor
48.6% Riley Higgins
48.5% Tamati Tua
42.3% David Havili
38.3% Daniel RonaTackle Evasion %
44.8% Billy Proctor
35.3% AJ Lam
34.8% Timoci Tavatavanawai
31.0% David Havili
30.6% Leicester Fainga'anuku
28.4% Tanielu Tele'a
27.7% Sam Gilbert
27.0% Levi Aumua
26.7% Peter Umaga-Jensen
26.4% Corey Evans
26.3% Jordie Barrett
25.9% Anton Lienert-Brown
25.6% Bailyn Sullivan
25.0% Braydon Ennor
23.6% Lalomilo Lalomilo
22.9% Tamati Tua
21.7% Gideon Wrampling
21.3% Daniel Rona
18.8% Riley Higgins
18.7% Quinn Tupaea
15.9% Xavi Taele
12.6% Rieko Ioane -
@brodean Those stats are pretty interesting in the context that I'll be pretty surprised if our midfield for the first test vs France is anything other than the tried and trusted combo of Jordie and Rieko.
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As someone mentioned earlier, if our game plan really is supposed to be a wide game spreading thr ball to the edges, then ALB should be thr first midfielder picked.
But it's not. And he won't.
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Some midfield attack stats:
Gainline %
79.5% AJ Lam
76.7% Xavi Taele
75.7% Riley Higgins
67.9% Sam Gilbert
67.7% Gideon Wrampling
65.5% Corey Evans
64.9% Rieko Ioane
63.7% Quinn Tupaea
62.0% Lalomilo Lalomilo
61.5% David Havili
60.9% Leicester Fainga'anuku
60.8% Tanielu Tele'a
60.5% Daniel Rona
60.3% Billy Proctor
60.2% Peter Umaga-Jensen
59.6% Levi Aumua
58.0% Bailyn Sullivan
54.0% Jordie Barrett
54.0% Anton Lienert-Brown
53.6% Braydon EnnorDominant Carry %
62.3% AJ Lam
56.8% Sam Gilbert
54.4% Bailyn Sullivan
52.5% Leicester Fainga'anuku
52.2% Tanielu Tele'a
51.2% Peter Umaga-Jensen
48.0% Gideon Wrampling
41.2% Quinn Tupaea
39.7% Lalomilo Lalomilo
37.8% Rieko Ioane
37.0% Corey Evans
35.5% Tamati Tua
35.3% Billy Proctor
34.5% Timoci Tavatavanawai
34.3% Riley Higgins
34.1% Jordie Barrett
32.0% Braydon Ennor
31.8% Levi Aumua
31.0% Xavi Taele
29.7% Daniel RonaCarries Committing 2+ Tacklers
74.0% AJ Lam
70.8% Timoci Tavatavanawai
70.2% Levi Aumua
67.5% Quinn Tupaea
66.3% Leicester Fainga'anuku
64.0% Anton Lienert-Brown
62.4% Peter Umaga-Jensen
59.1% Bailyn Sullivan
58.6% Billy Proctor
58.1% Tanielu Tele'a
58.1% Gideon Wrampling
53.5% Lalomilo Lalomilo
53.5% Xavi Taele
50.5% Rieko Ioane
50.0% Jordie Barrett
50.0% Braydon Ennor
48.6% Riley Higgins
48.5% Tamati Tua
42.3% David Havili
38.3% Daniel RonaTackle Evasion %
44.8% Billy Proctor
35.3% AJ Lam
34.8% Timoci Tavatavanawai
31.0% David Havili
30.6% Leicester Fainga'anuku
28.4% Tanielu Tele'a
27.7% Sam Gilbert
27.0% Levi Aumua
26.7% Peter Umaga-Jensen
26.4% Corey Evans
26.3% Jordie Barrett
25.9% Anton Lienert-Brown
25.6% Bailyn Sullivan
25.0% Braydon Ennor
23.6% Lalomilo Lalomilo
22.9% Tamati Tua
21.7% Gideon Wrampling
21.3% Daniel Rona
18.8% Riley Higgins
18.7% Quinn Tupaea
15.9% Xavi Taele
12.6% Rieko Ioane@brodean are those blended over multiple seasons or different comps?
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@brodean are those blended over multiple seasons or different comps?
@taniwharugby the stats are for this Super Rugby season only https://theanalyst.com/club-rugby-stats
I haven't updated them from a couple of weeks ago so there might be a few changes.
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@taniwharugby the stats are for this Super Rugby season only https://theanalyst.com/club-rugby-stats
I haven't updated them from a couple of weeks ago so there might be a few changes.
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@KiwiMurph Yes URC, Fainga'anuku Top 14
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@brodean said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
ALB didn't play a full season this year but he did last year. He had zero yellow cards in SRP and gave away 3 penalties for the whole season over 14 games.
BTW I wouldn't select ALB or David Havili but for different reasons.
I'd go with:
Jordie Barrett (Hurricanes)
Quinn Tupaea (Chiefs)
Rieko Ioane (Blues)
Billy Proctor (Hurricanes)
AJ Lam (Blues)He racked up a couple in tests IIRC
@canefan said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@brodean said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
ALB didn't play a full season this year but he did last year. He had zero yellow cards in SRP and gave away 3 penalties for the whole season over 14 games.
BTW I wouldn't select ALB or David Havili but for different reasons.
I'd go with:
Jordie Barrett (Hurricanes)
Quinn Tupaea (Chiefs)
Rieko Ioane (Blues)
Billy Proctor (Hurricanes)
AJ Lam (Blues)He racked up a couple in tests IIRC
3 YCs across the year, I think, against:
Australia at Accor (65th minute, they scored straight away and we went down to 13 for a bit there)]
Off the benchEngland at Twickenham (78th minute that nearly cost the match)
Off the benchItaly (50th minute)
Started the match -
@canefan said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@brodean said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
ALB didn't play a full season this year but he did last year. He had zero yellow cards in SRP and gave away 3 penalties for the whole season over 14 games.
BTW I wouldn't select ALB or David Havili but for different reasons.
I'd go with:
Jordie Barrett (Hurricanes)
Quinn Tupaea (Chiefs)
Rieko Ioane (Blues)
Billy Proctor (Hurricanes)
AJ Lam (Blues)He racked up a couple in tests IIRC
3 YCs across the year, I think, against:
Australia at Accor (65th minute, they scored straight away and we went down to 13 for a bit there)]
Off the benchEngland at Twickenham (78th minute that nearly cost the match)
Off the benchItaly (50th minute)
Started the match -
@Bones said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@gt12 as a replacement or starter?
Two off the bench
Post edited accordingly@gt12 said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@Bones said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@gt12 as a replacement or starter?
Two off the bench
Post edited accordinglySo either start him and replace him at halftime, or bring him off the bench in the 79th minute. Problem solved.
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@gt12 said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@Bones said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@gt12 as a replacement or starter?
Two off the bench
Post edited accordinglySo either start him and replace him at halftime, or bring him off the bench in the 79th minute. Problem solved.
@Bones said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@gt12 said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@Bones said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@gt12 as a replacement or starter?
Two off the bench
Post edited accordinglySo either start him and replace him at halftime, or bring him off the bench in the 79th minute. Problem solved.
His YC per minute played stat would be fun to calculate
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@ploughboy said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
a least one YC a team one? might have been two
Against England it was a tackle off the ball I’m pretty sure, just stupid from someone who should know better (and we’d already had a penalty against us).
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@ploughboy said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
a least one YC a team one? might have been two
Against Italy, he was co-captain I believe , we were on a warning and he ripped the ball after being told to let it go by the ref.
Barrett also got a Yc in that game I think.
The thread is a good read.
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@ploughboy said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
a least one YC a team one? might have been two
Against Oz, I cant remember and the thread isn’t much help
Quite some discussion of his lack of leadership thoughIt was for hands in the ruck, according to the newspaper.
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@brodean said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:
@Chris-B
Yeah I'd be stunned if it wasn't Jordie and RIeko.
I am kinda shocked by PUJ's versus Rieko's stats.
It might be helpful if they were labelled at 12 or 13 but I guess too much work to separate when they've played both.
