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  • sparkyS Offline
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    #5238

    The goal kicking wasn't perfect on Saturday, indeed it was poor.

    But focusing on that distracts from four more crucial area.

    1. Three Yellow Cards, two of which were very avoidable.
    2. Our backline only making 72 metres total in attack.
    3. Missing 40 tackles.
    4. Losing a significant majority of the aerial battles.

    Perfect goalkicking would be nice, but there are some more fundamental issues to fix as well.

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    • sparkyS sparky

      The goal kicking wasn't perfect on Saturday, indeed it was poor.

      But focusing on that distracts from four more crucial area.

      1. Three Yellow Cards, two of which were very avoidable.
      2. Our backline only making 72 metres total in attack.
      3. Missing 40 tackles.
      4. Losing a significant majority of the aerial battles.

      Perfect goalkicking would be nice, but there are some more fundamental issues to fix as well.

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      @sparky said in All Blacks 2025:

      Missing 40 tackles.

      This bit is concerning Fuck 40 missed tackles were we not trying or asleep.

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      • ChrisC Chris

        @sparky said in All Blacks 2025:

        Missing 40 tackles.

        This bit is concerning Fuck 40 missed tackles were we not trying or asleep.

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        @Chris Another issue was how many of the tackles the ABs made were really passive, letting Los Pumos get over the gain line with ease.

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        • sparkyS sparky

          @Chris Another issue was how many of the tackles the ABs made were really passive, letting Los Pumos get over the gain line with ease.

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          @sparky said in All Blacks 2025:

          @Chris Another issue was how many of the tackles the ABs made were really passive, letting Los Pumos get over the gain line with ease.

          Ethan B be like WTF?!

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            Will Razor name a squad for the Springboks games? Because I see SA and Australia have. Or is it just the squad that went to Argentina

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            • UniteU Unite

              @Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:

              ANALYSIS: Scott Robertson oversaw his fifth loss since taking charge of the All Blacks on Sunday, as they went down 29-23 against Argentina in Buenos Aires. The defeat came in Robertson’s 19th match since replacing Ian Foster at the helm of New Zealand’s national men’s rugby team at the start of last year.
              He has now overseen five losses faster than the last four men to be in the hot seat before him – Foster, Sir Steve Hansen, Sir Graham Henry and John Mitchell.

              https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/360803932/five-losses-19-tests-how-scott-robertsons-start-compares-past-all-blacks-coaches

              Yes but as James Parsons said if we had kicked all our shots at goal the All Blacks would have won, so all is grand.

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              @Unite said in All Blacks 2025:

              @Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:

              ANALYSIS: Scott Robertson oversaw his fifth loss since taking charge of the All Blacks on Sunday, as they went down 29-23 against Argentina in Buenos Aires. The defeat came in Robertson’s 19th match since replacing Ian Foster at the helm of New Zealand’s national men’s rugby team at the start of last year.
              He has now overseen five losses faster than the last four men to be in the hot seat before him – Foster, Sir Steve Hansen, Sir Graham Henry and John Mitchell.

              https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/360803932/five-losses-19-tests-how-scott-robertsons-start-compares-past-all-blacks-coaches

              Yes but as James Parsons said if we had kicked all our shots at goal the All Blacks would have won, so all is grand.

              Either Jordie or Richie kick a penalty and we win the RWC2023. It matters. We don't value it.

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              • U upthelanders

                Will Razor name a squad for the Springboks games? Because I see SA and Australia have. Or is it just the squad that went to Argentina

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                @upthelanders said in All Blacks 2025:

                Will Razor name a squad for the Springboks games? Because I see SA and Australia have. Or is it just the squad that went to Argentina

                NZ just name a squad for the entirety of the Rugby Championship and bring in replacements if necessary.

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                • No QuarterN No Quarter

                  @Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:

                  ANALYSIS: Scott Robertson oversaw his fifth loss since taking charge of the All Blacks on Sunday, as they went down 29-23 against Argentina in Buenos Aires. The defeat came in Robertson’s 19th match since replacing Ian Foster at the helm of New Zealand’s national men’s rugby team at the start of last year.
                  He has now overseen five losses faster than the last four men to be in the hot seat before him – Foster, Sir Steve Hansen, Sir Graham Henry and John Mitchell.

                  https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/360803932/five-losses-19-tests-how-scott-robertsons-start-compares-past-all-blacks-coaches

                  The worst AB coach since Wayne Smith. And who is Razor's advisor? Wayne Smith. All starting to make sense now.

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                  @No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2025:

                  @Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:

                  ANALYSIS: Scott Robertson oversaw his fifth loss since taking charge of the All Blacks on Sunday, as they went down 29-23 against Argentina in Buenos Aires. The defeat came in Robertson’s 19th match since replacing Ian Foster at the helm of New Zealand’s national men’s rugby team at the start of last year.
                  He has now overseen five losses faster than the last four men to be in the hot seat before him – Foster, Sir Steve Hansen, Sir Graham Henry and John Mitchell.

                  https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/360803932/five-losses-19-tests-how-scott-robertsons-start-compares-past-all-blacks-coaches

                  The worst AB coach since Wayne Smith. And who is Razor's advisor? Wayne Smith. All starting to make sense now.

                  Really?

                  Who was the best coach since Wayne Smith?

                  Who was the second best coach since Wayne Smith?

                  Who was their advisor?

                  It wasn't Wayne Smith was it?

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                  • UniteU Unite

                    @Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:

                    ANALYSIS: Scott Robertson oversaw his fifth loss since taking charge of the All Blacks on Sunday, as they went down 29-23 against Argentina in Buenos Aires. The defeat came in Robertson’s 19th match since replacing Ian Foster at the helm of New Zealand’s national men’s rugby team at the start of last year.
                    He has now overseen five losses faster than the last four men to be in the hot seat before him – Foster, Sir Steve Hansen, Sir Graham Henry and John Mitchell.

                    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/360803932/five-losses-19-tests-how-scott-robertsons-start-compares-past-all-blacks-coaches

                    Yes but as James Parsons said if we had kicked all our shots at goal the All Blacks would have won, so all is grand.

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                    @Unite said in All Blacks 2025:

                    @Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:

                    ANALYSIS: Scott Robertson oversaw his fifth loss since taking charge of the All Blacks on Sunday, as they went down 29-23 against Argentina in Buenos Aires. The defeat came in Robertson’s 19th match since replacing Ian Foster at the helm of New Zealand’s national men’s rugby team at the start of last year.
                    He has now overseen five losses faster than the last four men to be in the hot seat before him – Foster, Sir Steve Hansen, Sir Graham Henry and John Mitchell.

                    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/360803932/five-losses-19-tests-how-scott-robertsons-start-compares-past-all-blacks-coaches

                    Yes but as James Parsons said if we had kicked all our shots at goal the All Blacks would have won, so all is grand.

                    if - but we didn't. And there were numerous other easily identifiable issues.

                    Parsons seems to be a passenger thinking the Titanic isn't sinking because his feet aren't wet.

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                    • UniteU Unite

                      @Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:

                      ANALYSIS: Scott Robertson oversaw his fifth loss since taking charge of the All Blacks on Sunday, as they went down 29-23 against Argentina in Buenos Aires. The defeat came in Robertson’s 19th match since replacing Ian Foster at the helm of New Zealand’s national men’s rugby team at the start of last year.
                      He has now overseen five losses faster than the last four men to be in the hot seat before him – Foster, Sir Steve Hansen, Sir Graham Henry and John Mitchell.

                      https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/360803932/five-losses-19-tests-how-scott-robertsons-start-compares-past-all-blacks-coaches

                      Yes but as James Parsons said if we had kicked all our shots at goal the All Blacks would have won, so all is grand.

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                      @Unite said in All Blacks 2025:

                      Yes but as James Parsons said if we had kicked all our shots at goal the All Blacks would have won, so all is grand.

                      🙂

                      Of course, Albornoz missed a penalty too but I guess in JP's eyes that's irrelevant.

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                        pakman
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                        #5248

                        Any word on Patty T? Been thinking that he could play in Boks 1 if he wore a flat fibreglass guard over his injury and had plenty of bandaging to
                        keep it in place.

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                        • P pakman

                          Any word on Patty T? Been thinking that he could play in Boks 1 if he wore a flat fibreglass guard over his injury and had plenty of bandaging to
                          keep it in place.

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                          @pakman said in All Blacks 2025:

                          Any word on Patty T? Been thinking that he could play in Boks 1 if he wore a flat fibreglass guard over his injury and had plenty of bandaging to
                          keep it in place.

                          e09a2708-9c5b-469a-af44-16028c844216-image.png

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                          • Chris B.C Chris B.

                            @No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2025:

                            @Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:

                            ANALYSIS: Scott Robertson oversaw his fifth loss since taking charge of the All Blacks on Sunday, as they went down 29-23 against Argentina in Buenos Aires. The defeat came in Robertson’s 19th match since replacing Ian Foster at the helm of New Zealand’s national men’s rugby team at the start of last year.
                            He has now overseen five losses faster than the last four men to be in the hot seat before him – Foster, Sir Steve Hansen, Sir Graham Henry and John Mitchell.

                            https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/360803932/five-losses-19-tests-how-scott-robertsons-start-compares-past-all-blacks-coaches

                            The worst AB coach since Wayne Smith. And who is Razor's advisor? Wayne Smith. All starting to make sense now.

                            Really?

                            Who was the best coach since Wayne Smith?

                            Who was the second best coach since Wayne Smith?

                            Who was their advisor?

                            It wasn't Wayne Smith was it?

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                            @Chris-B said in All Blacks 2025:

                            @No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2025:

                            @Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:

                            ANALYSIS: Scott Robertson oversaw his fifth loss since taking charge of the All Blacks on Sunday, as they went down 29-23 against Argentina in Buenos Aires. The defeat came in Robertson’s 19th match since replacing Ian Foster at the helm of New Zealand’s national men’s rugby team at the start of last year.
                            He has now overseen five losses faster than the last four men to be in the hot seat before him – Foster, Sir Steve Hansen, Sir Graham Henry and John Mitchell.

                            https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/360803932/five-losses-19-tests-how-scott-robertsons-start-compares-past-all-blacks-coaches

                            The worst AB coach since Wayne Smith. And who is Razor's advisor? Wayne Smith. All starting to make sense now.

                            Really?

                            Who was the best coach since Wayne Smith?

                            Who was the second best coach since Wayne Smith?

                            Who was their advisor?

                            It wasn't Wayne Smith was it?

                            My comment was tongue in cheek 🙂 Can't really overstate how good Wayne Smith has been for NZR. That said, there is something in the fact both Smith and Razor have struggled to go straight from Super to test level.

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                              Great news to see Tamaiti Williams has signed until 2029, love it!
                              Great work NZR etc, we need to hold these players.

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                                I thought that Williams was going back to Northland? Obviously not.

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                                • BovidaeB Bovidae

                                  I thought that Williams was going back to Northland? Obviously not.

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                                  @Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:

                                  I thought that Williams was going back to Northland? Obviously not.

                                  He has signed with Canterbury until 2029 as well as the Crusaders.So as you say Obviously not.

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                                  • BovidaeB Bovidae

                                    I thought that Williams was going back to Northland? Obviously not.

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                                    @Bovidae there had been discussions, but that was prior to him making the ABs, and after that it went quiet.

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                                    • nzzpN nzzp

                                      @Unite said in All Blacks 2025:

                                      @Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:

                                      ANALYSIS: Scott Robertson oversaw his fifth loss since taking charge of the All Blacks on Sunday, as they went down 29-23 against Argentina in Buenos Aires. The defeat came in Robertson’s 19th match since replacing Ian Foster at the helm of New Zealand’s national men’s rugby team at the start of last year.
                                      He has now overseen five losses faster than the last four men to be in the hot seat before him – Foster, Sir Steve Hansen, Sir Graham Henry and John Mitchell.

                                      https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/360803932/five-losses-19-tests-how-scott-robertsons-start-compares-past-all-blacks-coaches

                                      Yes but as James Parsons said if we had kicked all our shots at goal the All Blacks would have won, so all is grand.

                                      Either Jordie or Richie kick a penalty and we win the RWC2023. It matters. We don't value it.

                                      JetJ Away
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                                      #5255

                                      @nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:

                                      @Unite said in All Blacks 2025:

                                      @Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:

                                      ANALYSIS: Scott Robertson oversaw his fifth loss since taking charge of the All Blacks on Sunday, as they went down 29-23 against Argentina in Buenos Aires. The defeat came in Robertson’s 19th match since replacing Ian Foster at the helm of New Zealand’s national men’s rugby team at the start of last year.
                                      He has now overseen five losses faster than the last four men to be in the hot seat before him – Foster, Sir Steve Hansen, Sir Graham Henry and John Mitchell.

                                      https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/360803932/five-losses-19-tests-how-scott-robertsons-start-compares-past-all-blacks-coaches

                                      Yes but as James Parsons said if we had kicked all our shots at goal the All Blacks would have won, so all is grand.

                                      Either Jordie or Richie kick a penalty and we win the RWC2023. It matters. We don't value it.

                                      It's why Carter was under rated if anything. Money in the bank.

                                      Go and grab a beer, take a piss. 3 points in the bag by the time you come back.

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                                      • No QuarterN No Quarter

                                        @Chris-B said in All Blacks 2025:

                                        @No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2025:

                                        @Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:

                                        ANALYSIS: Scott Robertson oversaw his fifth loss since taking charge of the All Blacks on Sunday, as they went down 29-23 against Argentina in Buenos Aires. The defeat came in Robertson’s 19th match since replacing Ian Foster at the helm of New Zealand’s national men’s rugby team at the start of last year.
                                        He has now overseen five losses faster than the last four men to be in the hot seat before him – Foster, Sir Steve Hansen, Sir Graham Henry and John Mitchell.

                                        https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/360803932/five-losses-19-tests-how-scott-robertsons-start-compares-past-all-blacks-coaches

                                        The worst AB coach since Wayne Smith. And who is Razor's advisor? Wayne Smith. All starting to make sense now.

                                        Really?

                                        Who was the best coach since Wayne Smith?

                                        Who was the second best coach since Wayne Smith?

                                        Who was their advisor?

                                        It wasn't Wayne Smith was it?

                                        My comment was tongue in cheek 🙂 Can't really overstate how good Wayne Smith has been for NZR. That said, there is something in the fact both Smith and Razor have struggled to go straight from Super to test level.

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                                        @No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2025:

                                        @Chris-B said in All Blacks 2025:

                                        @No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2025:

                                        @Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:

                                        ANALYSIS: Scott Robertson oversaw his fifth loss since taking charge of the All Blacks on Sunday, as they went down 29-23 against Argentina in Buenos Aires. The defeat came in Robertson’s 19th match since replacing Ian Foster at the helm of New Zealand’s national men’s rugby team at the start of last year.
                                        He has now overseen five losses faster than the last four men to be in the hot seat before him – Foster, Sir Steve Hansen, Sir Graham Henry and John Mitchell.

                                        https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/360803932/five-losses-19-tests-how-scott-robertsons-start-compares-past-all-blacks-coaches

                                        The worst AB coach since Wayne Smith. And who is Razor's advisor? Wayne Smith. All starting to make sense now.

                                        Really?

                                        Who was the best coach since Wayne Smith?

                                        Who was the second best coach since Wayne Smith?

                                        Who was their advisor?

                                        It wasn't Wayne Smith was it?

                                        My comment was tongue in cheek 🙂 Can't really overstate how good Wayne Smith has been for NZR. That said, there is something in the fact both Smith and Razor have struggled to go straight from Super to test level.

                                        Ha - lucky I didn't really savage you.

                                        I have trouble differentiating between tongue in cheek and total madness on the internet these days! 🙂

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                                        • JetJ Jet

                                          @nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:

                                          @Unite said in All Blacks 2025:

                                          @Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:

                                          ANALYSIS: Scott Robertson oversaw his fifth loss since taking charge of the All Blacks on Sunday, as they went down 29-23 against Argentina in Buenos Aires. The defeat came in Robertson’s 19th match since replacing Ian Foster at the helm of New Zealand’s national men’s rugby team at the start of last year.
                                          He has now overseen five losses faster than the last four men to be in the hot seat before him – Foster, Sir Steve Hansen, Sir Graham Henry and John Mitchell.

                                          https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/360803932/five-losses-19-tests-how-scott-robertsons-start-compares-past-all-blacks-coaches

                                          Yes but as James Parsons said if we had kicked all our shots at goal the All Blacks would have won, so all is grand.

                                          Either Jordie or Richie kick a penalty and we win the RWC2023. It matters. We don't value it.

                                          It's why Carter was under rated if anything. Money in the bank.

                                          Go and grab a beer, take a piss. 3 points in the bag by the time you come back.

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                                          @Jet said in All Blacks 2025:

                                          Money in the bank.

                                          He had off days. Outsanding generally, but there were days he struggled with the boot.

                                          I remember a game against the Bokke where he missed a lot ... even the best have off days.

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