All Blacks 2025

[Duluth]

@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2025:

We lost last week and the rowdy consensus here seemed to be that all the Ass. Coaches except Ryan should be rolled.

Not just the assistants. All of them

[sparky]

The cracks have been papered over for a while.

But that was utterly shite. Where do we go from here?

[antipodean]

@sparky said in All Blacks 2025:

The cracks have been papered over for a while.

Bu that was utterly shite. Where do we go from here?

To a loss at Eden Park?

Nothing will change until the media develop the balls to criticise. And that won't happen until they sense the public sentiment has turned.

[sparky]

@antipodean And a first ever loss at Murrayfield too.

Seriously, how long are the sponsors going to tolerate this shit? If you were a big multi-national business with options, why would you want to be associated with the current All Blacks set-up?

[MN5]

@sparky said in All Blacks 2025:

@antipodean And a first ever loss at Murrayfield too.

Seriously, how long are the sponsors going to tolerate this shit? If you were a big multi-national business with options, why would you want to be associated with the current All Blacks set-up?

I wouldn’t worry about that. The Scots will shit the bed as usual

[sparky]

@MN5 Nah. On current form, the Scots backline would carve ours up.

[MN5]

@sparky said in All Blacks 2025:

@MN5 Nah. On current form, the Scots backline would carve ours up.

I’ve waited my whole life for a statement like this

[brodean]

@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2025:

Is Lomax still our top tight head as some papers say? Methinks he has competition!

He's out of form. We were doing much better with Newell starting and Tosi finishing. Tosi is a better bench option than Newell or Lomax.

[Frank]

@Duluth said in All Blacks 2025:

@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2025:

We lost last week and the rowdy consensus here seemed to be that all the Ass. Coaches except Ryan should be rolled.

Not just the assistants. All of them

Who would you bring in Duluth?
Not sure if Joe Schmidt (if it's true he can't work with current NZRFU) would come in, but he must be 1st choice.
Then Jamie Joseph, Vern Cotter, others?

[Duluth]

@Frank said in All Blacks 2025:

@Duluth said in All Blacks 2025:

@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2025:

We lost last week and the rowdy consensus here seemed to be that all the Ass. Coaches except Ryan should be rolled.

Not just the assistants. All of them

Who would you bring in Duluth?
Not sure if Joe Schmidt (if it's true he can't work with current NZRFU) would come in, but he must be 1st choice.
Then Jamie Joseph, Vern Cotter, others?

That's a good start

It's pointless because it won't happen. Robertson is almost unsackable.. it would cost too much. Maybe he can be convinced to act with honour? I doubt it.

My prediction is there will be a couple of scapegoats at the end of the year - Hansen & Ellison.

[Duluth]

https://www.rugbydatabase.co.nz/team/coach-list.php?teamId=3

[mikedogz]

[Duluth]

@mikedogz said in All Blacks 2025:

Also I'm pretty sure the 38 points Argentina got last year was the highest amount conceded at home

Robertson's side has the top two places now

[sparky]

Our defensive pattern fell apart in the second half and our captain offered zero leadership in the last 40 minutes.

Plenty to fix, to put it mildly, but dumping Tamati Elllison as Defence coach and Scott Barrett as Captain are probably the best places to start.

[Tim]

Need a caretaker coach. Anyone would be better. Take one of the Super Rugby management teams.

Depending on the availability, need big changes for next game:

1 Norris
2 Taylor
3 Newell
4 Tuipulotu
5 Holland
6 Parker
7 Papalii
8 Sotutu

9 ?
10 DMac
11 Clarke
12 J Barrett
13 R Ioane
14 ?
15 Love

16 Taukei'aho
17 Williams
18 Tosi
19 Vaa'i
20 Savea
21 ?
22 Tupaea
23 Jordan

[MN5]

@Tim said in All Blacks 2025:

Need a caretaker coach. Anyone would be better. Take one of the Super Rugby management teams.

Depending on the availability, need big changes for next game:

1 Norris
2 Taylor
3 Newell
4 Tuipulotu
5 Holland
6 Parker
7 Papalii
8 Sotutu

9 ?
10 DMac
11 Clarke
12 J Barrett
13 R Ioane
14 ?
15 Love

16 Taukei'aho
17 Williams
18 Tosi
19 Vaa'i
20 Savea
21 ?
22 Tupaea
23 Jordan

I’m disappointed you’re not gonna chuck Akira Ioane in there for an all Blues trio

[Tim]

@MN5 Doesn't have Mounga's agent.

[Mr Fish]

@Tim said in All Blacks 2025:

Need a caretaker coach. Anyone would be better. Take one of the Super Rugby management teams.

Depending on the availability, need big changes for next game:

1 Norris
2 Taylor
3 Newell
4 Tuipulotu
5 Holland
6 Parker
7 Papalii
8 Sotutu

9 ?
10 DMac
11 Clarke
12 J Barrett
13 R Ioane
14 ?
15 Love

16 Taukei'aho
17 Williams
18 Tosi
19 Vaa'i
20 Savea
21 ?
22 Tupaea
23 Jordan

Far too much throwing out the baby with the bathwater here.

Dropping Sititi and Vaa'i, who were NZ's two best players last year and are in still in good form this year, is mad. Tuipulotu has about five good games for NZ in however many seasons he's played and while I'd love to see him back on the beach to add impact, it's a hail Mary play to expect him to pick him ahead of Vaa'i or even Barrett.

So many complaints that the loosies weren't hitting rucks but you'd bring in Sotutu to fix that?

Norris is excellent in the loose but he's certainly the worst of the looseheads we have in the squad at scrum time and I know NZ wouldn't be playing SA again for the next match but given how much the scrum has been monstered lately, Norris is certainly not the answer.

[sparky]

@Tim Cam Roigard when fit is the best 9.

We are really very short of defensive wingers. Caleb Clarke and that's about it.

[Tim]

@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2025:

So many complaints that the loosies weren't hitting rucks but you'd bring in Sotutu to fix that?

Yes, Sotutu is excellent. He was particularly so when the Blues beat the Chiefs in Hamilton this year.

The incumbents also need to be punished for some dreadful performances.

Tuipulotu has been excellent last two seasons. Vaai and Barrett need to be sent a message.