All Blacks 2025
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones when and how do you bring them in given they are not all available?
I think so many of our problems stem from our inability to deal with the ball in the air, puts us under pressure in parts of the field that opposition want us to be playing, and add in how our scrum has struggled v SA, we are never gonna win the battle.
Razor said that they know how much SA value the aerial game and that we had been working hard there...evidence would suggest we haven't and dont value it enough.
We don't value the ball, menstruation.
Reckless kicking combined with disinterested chase is our game plan. The fuck?
THIS.
People don't seem to understand how moronic our gameplan is.
We literally give the ball to the opposition, and let them attack relentlessly.
This result has been coming for a long time, and it's well deserved.
We actually tried to play a bit starting the game, and actually looked good, but it seemed the Kolbe intercept scared us back into our 50 IQ box kick strat.
Note btw, Wayne Smith, in a recent interview said there is nothing he hates more than the box kick, to the point that the teams he coached in Japan, he banned the players from box kicking, under ANY circumstance.
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@Chris said in All Blacks 2025:
How the fuck did he gain 20 kgs shit is he 130 kgs now.
Perhaps 20kg was hyperbole. Probably closer to 10kg.
Point being, there are interviews from this year where he is talking about getting used to playing with his new additional weight and figuring things out.
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@Tim said in All Blacks 2025:
@stodders There's got to be a defence coach we can get.
Fuck me I am sick of hearing about how we are playing good defensive patterns when we regularly ship 30+.
It's because of our core game plan.
You can have a good defense and still ship 30 if your core game plan is blind box kicks and giving the ball to the other team to attack you for 80 minutes.
Not saying there aren't defensive structural issues btw..but that many problems stem from our core game plan issue currently.
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@kpkanz said in All Blacks 2025:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Tim said in All Blacks 2025:
@antipodean The idea that he's in good form is pure delusion.
Sititi is certainly having a bit of second year dip, but it's to be expected, especially given his injury and the fact that he wasn't actually that good on his return. He's not a super worker style 8, so I'm not sure what they are trying to achieve by playing Savea and Sititi together.
Sititi is out of form because the coaching team told him to gain 20kgs.
And he listened to them, and now at his bigger size he has lost literally all the dynamism and skillset he leveraged last year where he was almost unplayable.
Genius.
What’s the source for this? I’ve heard it mentioned but not seen it anywhere.
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@gt12 said in All Blacks 2025:
@kpkanz said in All Blacks 2025:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Tim said in All Blacks 2025:
@antipodean The idea that he's in good form is pure delusion.
Sititi is certainly having a bit of second year dip, but it's to be expected, especially given his injury and the fact that he wasn't actually that good on his return. He's not a super worker style 8, so I'm not sure what they are trying to achieve by playing Savea and Sititi together.
Sititi is out of form because the coaching team told him to gain 20kgs.
And he listened to them, and now at his bigger size he has lost literally all the dynamism and skillset he leveraged last year where he was almost unplayable.
Genius.
What’s the source for this? I’ve heard it mentioned but not seen it anywhere.
He doesnt look 20 kg's heavier from my barstool.
Thats 3 stone.
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I know this is an ice cold take, but I actually want Mo’unga back now.
Let’s give Razor no excuse. If we see that his coaching genius is reliant on certain players to unlock it, who cares if we start looking like a winning team.
I doubt that the injection of one player would change things much, but we won’t have - prediction time - a refrain of being able to point to the future, which I believe will be the new story emerging from the NZ rugby media.
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@kpkanz said in All Blacks 2025:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2025:
How the fuck did he gain 20 kgs shit is he 130 kgs now.
Perhaps 20kg was hyperbole. Probably closer to 10kg.
Point being, there are interviews from this year where he is talking about getting used to playing with his new additional weight and figuring things out.
ok I can believe 10kgs.
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@jimmyb said in All Blacks 2025:
1,3,5,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,15 all look like fucking children. Fuck it must be hard putting 5 kilos on as a professional athlete. Dmac must just love being undersized
Yeah I think that’s a big part of the problem, the days of us winning through simply having better athletes on the park are over . South Africa have taken that mantle off us , they had so much raw pace in that young backline plus having a bigger stronger pack to go with it .
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@gt12 said in All Blacks 2025:
I know this is an ice cold take, but I actually want Mo’unga back now.
Let’s give Razor no excuse. If we see that his coaching genius is reliant on certain players to unlock it, who cares if we start looking like a winning team.
I doubt that the injection of one player would change things much, but we won’t have - prediction time - a refrain of being able to point to the future, which I believe will be the new story emerging from the NZ rugby media.
Yeah I know what you mean , give him what he thinks he needs and then let’s see if it improves , if it doesn’t, no more excuses
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This gameplan won't work with Mo'unga. It's just delaying the inevitable.
We need to shelve box kicks completely. If we're going to kick, kick long and try battle for possession in their half, otherwise keep the ball in hand.
We're currently box kicking from within our 22, usually landing right outside our 22, 90% of the time failing to regain possession, and then letting the opposition attack from deep in our half.
Rinse and repeat
Idiotic, and we've deserved a beating like this for a while.
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@jimmyb said in All Blacks 2025:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2025:
Also think you only need to look at Jordie to see that something is amiss in the coaching group...guy was being lauded in the NH, looked like he had returned a better player early on v France but since has regressed back to large amounts of mediocrity, that fits in with those around him.
Because he’s a fucking fullback. Not a fucking centre.
Lucky he's playing 2nd 5/8.
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We actually played some good footy last night. That first 40 when we played wide wide wide we got well behind them. That intercept was a massive moment because we had outflanked them again. Jordie Barrett is the key guy in that pattern his passing game is good. We also got our depth right. The problem was we just didn't get enough reward.
And in the 2nd half when we held the ball we still looked.good, we didn't do it enough, and then our set piece collapsed and we got stuck in the wrong end.
Lots of individual errors killed us. System errors killed us. But as I said in the match thread, I do not think this iteration of the ABs has this level of footy in them. We leak points. We are no longer able to strike and just break teams open.
We sort of look like Iteland, where the footy looks good, but there are never enough points to take the game away. Which when you look at the "against" column is a real issue.
My kingdom for a couple of real mean physical forwards. Even in the first half it was noticeable how the pack was completely unable to generate fast ball themselves, or stop south africa building momentum.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2025:
We sort of look like Iteland, where the footy looks good, but there are never enough points to take the game away. Which when you look at the "against" column is a real issue.
If you are going to play like Ireland you need to do the fundamentals well. Notably kicking game to win terrority battle - at least get parity on the high ball - strong set piece - suffocating defence. Last night we offered none of that.
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@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks 2025:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2025:
I know this is an ice cold take, but I actually want Mo’unga back now.
Let’s give Razor no excuse. If we see that his coaching genius is reliant on certain players to unlock it, who cares if we start looking like a winning team.
I doubt that the injection of one player would change things much, but we won’t have - prediction time - a refrain of being able to point to the future, which I believe will be the new story emerging from the NZ rugby media.
Yeah I know what you mean , give him what he thinks he needs and then let’s see if it improves , if it doesn’t, no more excuses
Unless RM is going to kick all the up and unders, and catch all of ours and theirs, I don't think he's the magic pill
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@Chris said in All Blacks 2025:
@kpkanz said in All Blacks 2025:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2025:
How the fuck did he gain 20 kgs shit is he 130 kgs now.
Perhaps 20kg was hyperbole. Probably closer to 10kg.
Point being, there are interviews from this year where he is talking about getting used to playing with his new additional weight and figuring things out.
ok I can believe 10kgs.
He was below 100kgs so putting on 10 would get him around the McCaw / Read size.
