All Blacks 2025
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@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2025:
Has Razor lost the dressing room?
I haven't heard any of the players come out to bat for him the way they did for Fozzie....
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2025:
Has Razor lost the dressing room?
I haven't heard any of the players come out to bat for him the way they did for Fozzie....
Just the way they gave up last night suggested to me that they didn't care.
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@nonpartizan said in All Blacks 2025:
@jimmyb said in All Blacks 2025:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones when and how do you bring them in given they are not all available?
I think so many of our problems stem from our inability to deal with the ball in the air, puts us under pressure in parts of the field that opposition want us to be playing, and add in how our scrum has struggled v SA, we are never gonna win the battle.
Razor said that they know how much SA value the aerial game and that we had been working hard there...evidence would suggest we haven't and dont value it enough.
And the team is a bunch of fucking midgets from 1-15
This is a big part of the problem. The Springbok pack was 20 kg bigger than New Zealand's and I imagine the backs also have a similar weight/size advantage.
The Springboks were always able to get yards after contact whereas the ABs could not get that same type of power. Over the course of 80 mins it must be so depleting being in collisions with people who are always (on average) bigger than you.
Matera off the back of the scrum in Argentina and Ezterhuizen today.
No sidestep was even considered. Full steam into McKenzie.
@Jet when was the last time we had a forward that just runs full on into the defence like that?
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Let's not go down the "Sack Foster - he's the root of all the problems in NZ rugby" road again. We all know how that worked out with Coach Jesus
Take a deep breath, stay calm, identify the problems & their causes and then devise and implement an improvement plan. Maybe some short-term actions - just make sure they aren't kicking cans down the road.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
Let's not go down the "Sack Foster - he's the root of all the problems in NZ rugby" road again. We all know how that worked out with Coach Jesus
Take a deep breath, stay calm, identify the problems & their causes and then devise and implement an improvement plan. Maybe some short-term actions - just make sure they aren't kicking cans down the road.
How to (unknowingly?) contradict yourself in two paragraphs.
It's abundantly clear that the root of all problems is the head coach and the moronic minions he's assembled.
They selected these players. Apparently they also developed a game plan and coached them.
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@Tim said in All Blacks 2025:
@antipodean The idea that he's in good form is pure delusion.
Sititi is certainly having a bit of second year dip, but it's to be expected, especially given his injury and the fact that he wasn't actually that good on his return. He's not a super worker style 8, so I'm not sure what they are trying to achieve by playing Savea and Sititi together.
He gets a bit of shit on here, but when you look at the Chiefs and what makes the Chiefs click as a loose forward unit, it is Luke Jacobson as the common element.
He didn't play in the loss to the Blues and was clearly concussed in the final versus the Saders. When he was at 7, the balance was about right. When he was out, we lacked starch. It seems like the AB coaches haven't figured that - and many many other things - out yet.
Edit: This isn't to suggest that we need LJ, just to suggest that they aren't achieving balance.
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Tim said in All Blacks 2025:
@antipodean The idea that he's in good form is pure delusion.
Sititi is certainly having a bit of second year dip, but it's to be expected, especially given his injury and the fact that he wasn't actually that good on his return. He's not a super worker style 8, so I'm not sure what they are trying to achieve by playing Savea and Sititi together.
Sititi is out of form because the coaching team told him to gain 20kgs.
And he listened to them, and now at his bigger size he has lost literally all the dynamism and skillset he leveraged last year where he was almost unplayable.
Genius.
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@gt12 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Tim said in All Blacks 2025:
@antipodean The idea that he's in good form is pure delusion.
Sititi is certainly having a bit of second year dip, but it's to be expected, especially given his injury and the fact that he wasn't actually that good on his return. He's not a super worker style 8, so I'm not sure what they are trying to achieve by playing Savea and Sititi together.
Sititi is out of form because the coaching team told him to gain 20kgs.
And he listened to them, and now at his bigger size he has lost literally all the dynamism and skillset he leveraged last year where he was almost unplayable.
Genius.
@kpkanz said in All Blacks 2025:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Tim said in All Blacks 2025:
@antipodean The idea that he's in good form is pure delusion.
Sititi is certainly having a bit of second year dip, but it's to be expected, especially given his injury and the fact that he wasn't actually that good on his return. He's not a super worker style 8, so I'm not sure what they are trying to achieve by playing Savea and Sititi together.
Sititi is out of form because the coaching team told him to gain 20kgs.
And he listened to them, and now at his bigger size he has lost literally all the dynamism and skillset he leveraged last year where he was almost unplayable.
Genius.
How the fuck did he gain 20 kgs shit is he 130 kgs now.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones when and how do you bring them in given they are not all available?
I think so many of our problems stem from our inability to deal with the ball in the air, puts us under pressure in parts of the field that opposition want us to be playing, and add in how our scrum has struggled v SA, we are never gonna win the battle.
Razor said that they know how much SA value the aerial game and that we had been working hard there...evidence would suggest we haven't and dont value it enough.
We don't value the ball, menstruation.
Reckless kicking combined with disinterested chase is our game plan. The fuck?
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones when and how do you bring them in given they are not all available?
I think so many of our problems stem from our inability to deal with the ball in the air, puts us under pressure in parts of the field that opposition want us to be playing, and add in how our scrum has struggled v SA, we are never gonna win the battle.
Razor said that they know how much SA value the aerial game and that we had been working hard there...evidence would suggest we haven't and dont value it enough.
We don't value the ball, menstruation.
Reckless kicking combined with disinterested chase is our game plan. The fuck?
THIS.
People don't seem to understand how moronic our gameplan is.
We literally give the ball to the opposition, and let them attack relentlessly.
This result has been coming for a long time, and it's well deserved.
We actually tried to play a bit starting the game, and actually looked good, but it seemed the Kolbe intercept scared us back into our 50 IQ box kick strat.
Note btw, Wayne Smith, in a recent interview said there is nothing he hates more than the box kick, to the point that the teams he coached in Japan, he banned the players from box kicking, under ANY circumstance.
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@kpkanz said in All Blacks 2025:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Tim said in All Blacks 2025:
@antipodean The idea that he's in good form is pure delusion.
Sititi is certainly having a bit of second year dip, but it's to be expected, especially given his injury and the fact that he wasn't actually that good on his return. He's not a super worker style 8, so I'm not sure what they are trying to achieve by playing Savea and Sititi together.
Sititi is out of form because the coaching team told him to gain 20kgs.
And he listened to them, and now at his bigger size he has lost literally all the dynamism and skillset he leveraged last year where he was almost unplayable.
Genius.
How the fuck did he gain 20 kgs shit is he 130 kgs now.
@Chris said in All Blacks 2025:
How the fuck did he gain 20 kgs shit is he 130 kgs now.
Perhaps 20kg was hyperbole. Probably closer to 10kg.
Point being, there are interviews from this year where he is talking about getting used to playing with his new additional weight and figuring things out.
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@stodders There's got to be a defence coach we can get.
Fuck me I am sick of hearing about how we are playing good defensive patterns when we regularly ship 30+.
@Tim said in All Blacks 2025:
@stodders There's got to be a defence coach we can get.
Fuck me I am sick of hearing about how we are playing good defensive patterns when we regularly ship 30+.
It's because of our core game plan.
You can have a good defense and still ship 30 if your core game plan is blind box kicks and giving the ball to the other team to attack you for 80 minutes.
Not saying there aren't defensive structural issues btw..but that many problems stem from our core game plan issue currently.
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@gt12 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Tim said in All Blacks 2025:
@antipodean The idea that he's in good form is pure delusion.
Sititi is certainly having a bit of second year dip, but it's to be expected, especially given his injury and the fact that he wasn't actually that good on his return. He's not a super worker style 8, so I'm not sure what they are trying to achieve by playing Savea and Sititi together.
Sititi is out of form because the coaching team told him to gain 20kgs.
And he listened to them, and now at his bigger size he has lost literally all the dynamism and skillset he leveraged last year where he was almost unplayable.
Genius.
@kpkanz said in All Blacks 2025:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Tim said in All Blacks 2025:
@antipodean The idea that he's in good form is pure delusion.
Sititi is certainly having a bit of second year dip, but it's to be expected, especially given his injury and the fact that he wasn't actually that good on his return. He's not a super worker style 8, so I'm not sure what they are trying to achieve by playing Savea and Sititi together.
Sititi is out of form because the coaching team told him to gain 20kgs.
And he listened to them, and now at his bigger size he has lost literally all the dynamism and skillset he leveraged last year where he was almost unplayable.
Genius.
What’s the source for this? I’ve heard it mentioned but not seen it anywhere.
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@kpkanz said in All Blacks 2025:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Tim said in All Blacks 2025:
@antipodean The idea that he's in good form is pure delusion.
Sititi is certainly having a bit of second year dip, but it's to be expected, especially given his injury and the fact that he wasn't actually that good on his return. He's not a super worker style 8, so I'm not sure what they are trying to achieve by playing Savea and Sititi together.
Sititi is out of form because the coaching team told him to gain 20kgs.
And he listened to them, and now at his bigger size he has lost literally all the dynamism and skillset he leveraged last year where he was almost unplayable.
Genius.
What’s the source for this? I’ve heard it mentioned but not seen it anywhere.
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2025:
@kpkanz said in All Blacks 2025:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Tim said in All Blacks 2025:
@antipodean The idea that he's in good form is pure delusion.
Sititi is certainly having a bit of second year dip, but it's to be expected, especially given his injury and the fact that he wasn't actually that good on his return. He's not a super worker style 8, so I'm not sure what they are trying to achieve by playing Savea and Sititi together.
Sititi is out of form because the coaching team told him to gain 20kgs.
And he listened to them, and now at his bigger size he has lost literally all the dynamism and skillset he leveraged last year where he was almost unplayable.
Genius.
What’s the source for this? I’ve heard it mentioned but not seen it anywhere.
He doesnt look 20 kg's heavier from my barstool.
Thats 3 stone.
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I know this is an ice cold take, but I actually want Mo’unga back now.
Let’s give Razor no excuse. If we see that his coaching genius is reliant on certain players to unlock it, who cares if we start looking like a winning team.
I doubt that the injection of one player would change things much, but we won’t have - prediction time - a refrain of being able to point to the future, which I believe will be the new story emerging from the NZ rugby media.
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@Chris said in All Blacks 2025:
How the fuck did he gain 20 kgs shit is he 130 kgs now.
Perhaps 20kg was hyperbole. Probably closer to 10kg.
Point being, there are interviews from this year where he is talking about getting used to playing with his new additional weight and figuring things out.
@kpkanz said in All Blacks 2025:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2025:
How the fuck did he gain 20 kgs shit is he 130 kgs now.
Perhaps 20kg was hyperbole. Probably closer to 10kg.
Point being, there are interviews from this year where he is talking about getting used to playing with his new additional weight and figuring things out.
ok I can believe 10kgs.
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1,3,5,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,15 all look like fucking children. Fuck it must be hard putting 5 kilos on as a professional athlete. Dmac must just love being undersized
@jimmyb said in All Blacks 2025:
1,3,5,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,15 all look like fucking children. Fuck it must be hard putting 5 kilos on as a professional athlete. Dmac must just love being undersized
Yeah I think that’s a big part of the problem, the days of us winning through simply having better athletes on the park are over . South Africa have taken that mantle off us , they had so much raw pace in that young backline plus having a bigger stronger pack to go with it .
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I know this is an ice cold take, but I actually want Mo’unga back now.
Let’s give Razor no excuse. If we see that his coaching genius is reliant on certain players to unlock it, who cares if we start looking like a winning team.
I doubt that the injection of one player would change things much, but we won’t have - prediction time - a refrain of being able to point to the future, which I believe will be the new story emerging from the NZ rugby media.
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2025:
I know this is an ice cold take, but I actually want Mo’unga back now.
Let’s give Razor no excuse. If we see that his coaching genius is reliant on certain players to unlock it, who cares if we start looking like a winning team.
I doubt that the injection of one player would change things much, but we won’t have - prediction time - a refrain of being able to point to the future, which I believe will be the new story emerging from the NZ rugby media.
Yeah I know what you mean , give him what he thinks he needs and then let’s see if it improves , if it doesn’t, no more excuses
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This gameplan won't work with Mo'unga. It's just delaying the inevitable.
We need to shelve box kicks completely. If we're going to kick, kick long and try battle for possession in their half, otherwise keep the ball in hand.
We're currently box kicking from within our 22, usually landing right outside our 22, 90% of the time failing to regain possession, and then letting the opposition attack from deep in our half.
Rinse and repeat
Idiotic, and we've deserved a beating like this for a while.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2025:
Also think you only need to look at Jordie to see that something is amiss in the coaching group...guy was being lauded in the NH, looked like he had returned a better player early on v France but since has regressed back to large amounts of mediocrity, that fits in with those around him.
Because he’s a fucking fullback. Not a fucking centre.
@jimmyb said in All Blacks 2025:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2025:
Also think you only need to look at Jordie to see that something is amiss in the coaching group...guy was being lauded in the NH, looked like he had returned a better player early on v France but since has regressed back to large amounts of mediocrity, that fits in with those around him.
Because he’s a fucking fullback. Not a fucking centre.
Lucky he's playing 2nd 5/8.
