All Blacks 2025
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
2011 and 2015 happened because of lessons learned in 2007
I think 2011 happened because of lessons learned in 2009 and how we changed our gameplan in 2010.
2015 was because we largely had consistency and a core group throughout that 2012-2015 period.
@DaGrubster i agree with Snakey. When you look at the overall collection of talent in that 2007 squad, we were loaded. Injuries, disjointed play, rotation and no luck, we’re our downfall.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
2011 and 2015 happened because of lessons learned in 2007
I think 2011 happened because of lessons learned in 2009 and how we changed our gameplan in 2010.
2015 was because we largely had consistency and a core group throughout that 2012-2015 period.
@DaGrubster i agree with Snakey. When you look at the overall collection of talent in that 2007 squad, we were loaded. Injuries, disjointed play, rotation and no luck, we’re our downfall.
Yeah, we were our own worst enemies in that World cup.
We had an incredible squad but we conspired to not get our squad in the best shape it could be for that tournament.
And then our nemesis showed up in the wtr final
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@jimmyb I've never seen Jamie Joseph's sides give up which is definitely one up on Scott Robertson. We can't have an All Blacks coach who creates a culture where players stop playing for the jersey. He needs to go!
@sparky said in All Blacks 2025:
@jimmyb I've never seen Jamie Joseph's sides give up which is definitely one up on Scott Robertson. We can't have an All Blacks coach who creates a culture where players stop playing for the jersey. He needs to go!
Completely agree. Anyone who thinks JJ is the answer is a fucking moron
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@Frank said in All Blacks 2025:
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2025:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2025:
We lost last week and the rowdy consensus here seemed to be that all the Ass. Coaches except Ryan should be rolled.
Not just the assistants. All of them
Who would you bring in Duluth?
Not sure if Joe Schmidt (if it's true he can't work with current NZRFU) would come in, but he must be 1st choice.
Then Jamie Joseph, Vern Cotter, others?Joseph, Brown and Rennie/Filippo. Schmidt as an advisor.
@Bones when and how do you bring them in given they are not all available?
I think so many of our problems stem from our inability to deal with the ball in the air, puts us under pressure in parts of the field that opposition want us to be playing, and add in how our scrum has struggled v SA, we are never gonna win the battle.
Razor said that they know how much SA value the aerial game and that we had been working hard there...evidence would suggest we haven't and dont value it enough.
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@Bones when and how do you bring them in given they are not all available?
I think so many of our problems stem from our inability to deal with the ball in the air, puts us under pressure in parts of the field that opposition want us to be playing, and add in how our scrum has struggled v SA, we are never gonna win the battle.
Razor said that they know how much SA value the aerial game and that we had been working hard there...evidence would suggest we haven't and dont value it enough.
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones when and how do you bring them in given they are not all available?
I think so many of our problems stem from our inability to deal with the ball in the air, puts us under pressure in parts of the field that opposition want us to be playing, and add in how our scrum has struggled v SA, we are never gonna win the battle.
Razor said that they know how much SA value the aerial game and that we had been working hard there...evidence would suggest we haven't and dont value it enough.
And the team is a bunch of fucking midgets from 1-15
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The media in NZ are a major problem for the ABs.
What on earth is this?
@stodders said in All Blacks 2025:
The media in NZ are a major problem for the ABs.
What on earth is this?
Stuff.co.nz was pretty generous in its player ratings too.
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Also think you only need to look at Jordie to see that something is amiss in the coaching group...guy was being lauded in the NH, looked like he had returned a better player early on v France but since has regressed back to large amounts of mediocrity, that fits in with those around him.
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Also think you only need to look at Jordie to see that something is amiss in the coaching group...guy was being lauded in the NH, looked like he had returned a better player early on v France but since has regressed back to large amounts of mediocrity, that fits in with those around him.
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2025:
Also think you only need to look at Jordie to see that something is amiss in the coaching group...guy was being lauded in the NH, looked like he had returned a better player early on v France but since has regressed back to large amounts of mediocrity, that fits in with those around him.
Because he’s a fucking fullback. Not a fucking centre.
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We need a 10, but nz rugby with the double play maker role havent developed a proper 10 throughout our Super Rugby teams, the closet to a pocket 10 is Cameron, but he hasn't kicked on like he was supposed to.
Plummer was close in 24 with Cotters game plan.
We can't wait for Richie M and rely solely on him. -
@Bones when and how do you bring them in given they are not all available?
I think so many of our problems stem from our inability to deal with the ball in the air, puts us under pressure in parts of the field that opposition want us to be playing, and add in how our scrum has struggled v SA, we are never gonna win the battle.
Razor said that they know how much SA value the aerial game and that we had been working hard there...evidence would suggest we haven't and dont value it enough.
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones when and how do you bring them in given they are not all available?
I think so many of our problems stem from our inability to deal with the ball in the air, puts us under pressure in parts of the field that opposition want us to be playing, and add in how our scrum has struggled v SA, we are never gonna win the battle.
Razor said that they know how much SA value the aerial game and that we had been working hard there...evidence would suggest we haven't and dont value it enough.
We don't value the ball, menstruation.
Reckless kicking combined with disinterested chase is our game plan. The fuck?
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones when and how do you bring them in given they are not all available?
I think so many of our problems stem from our inability to deal with the ball in the air, puts us under pressure in parts of the field that opposition want us to be playing, and add in how our scrum has struggled v SA, we are never gonna win the battle.
Razor said that they know how much SA value the aerial game and that we had been working hard there...evidence would suggest we haven't and dont value it enough.
And the team is a bunch of fucking midgets from 1-15
@jimmyb said in All Blacks 2025:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones when and how do you bring them in given they are not all available?
I think so many of our problems stem from our inability to deal with the ball in the air, puts us under pressure in parts of the field that opposition want us to be playing, and add in how our scrum has struggled v SA, we are never gonna win the battle.
Razor said that they know how much SA value the aerial game and that we had been working hard there...evidence would suggest we haven't and dont value it enough.
And the team is a bunch of fucking midgets from 1-15
This is a big part of the problem. The Springbok pack was 20 kg bigger than New Zealand's and I imagine the backs also have a similar weight/size advantage.
The Springboks were always able to get yards after contact whereas the ABs could not get that same type of power. Over the course of 80 mins it must be so depleting being in collisions with people who are always (on average) bigger than you.
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@jimmyb said in All Blacks 2025:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones when and how do you bring them in given they are not all available?
I think so many of our problems stem from our inability to deal with the ball in the air, puts us under pressure in parts of the field that opposition want us to be playing, and add in how our scrum has struggled v SA, we are never gonna win the battle.
Razor said that they know how much SA value the aerial game and that we had been working hard there...evidence would suggest we haven't and dont value it enough.
And the team is a bunch of fucking midgets from 1-15
This is a big part of the problem. The Springbok pack was 20 kg bigger than New Zealand's and I imagine the backs also have a similar weight/size advantage.
The Springboks were always able to get yards after contact whereas the ABs could not get that same type of power. Over the course of 80 mins it must be so depleting being in collisions with people who are always (on average) bigger than you.
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@jimmyb said in All Blacks 2025:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones when and how do you bring them in given they are not all available?
I think so many of our problems stem from our inability to deal with the ball in the air, puts us under pressure in parts of the field that opposition want us to be playing, and add in how our scrum has struggled v SA, we are never gonna win the battle.
Razor said that they know how much SA value the aerial game and that we had been working hard there...evidence would suggest we haven't and dont value it enough.
And the team is a bunch of fucking midgets from 1-15
This is a big part of the problem. The Springbok pack was 20 kg bigger than New Zealand's and I imagine the backs also have a similar weight/size advantage.
The Springboks were always able to get yards after contact whereas the ABs could not get that same type of power. Over the course of 80 mins it must be so depleting being in collisions with people who are always (on average) bigger than you.
@nonpartizan said in All Blacks 2025:
@jimmyb said in All Blacks 2025:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones when and how do you bring them in given they are not all available?
I think so many of our problems stem from our inability to deal with the ball in the air, puts us under pressure in parts of the field that opposition want us to be playing, and add in how our scrum has struggled v SA, we are never gonna win the battle.
Razor said that they know how much SA value the aerial game and that we had been working hard there...evidence would suggest we haven't and dont value it enough.
And the team is a bunch of fucking midgets from 1-15
This is a big part of the problem. The Springbok pack was 20 kg bigger than New Zealand's and I imagine the backs also have a similar weight/size advantage.
The Springboks were always able to get yards after contact whereas the ABs could not get that same type of power. Over the course of 80 mins it must be so depleting being in collisions with people who are always (on average) bigger than you.
Matera off the back of the scrum in Argentina and Ezterhuizen today.
No sidestep was even considered. Full steam into McKenzie.
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@Frank said in All Blacks 2025:
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2025:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2025:
We lost last week and the rowdy consensus here seemed to be that all the Ass. Coaches except Ryan should be rolled.
Not just the assistants. All of them
Who would you bring in Duluth?
Not sure if Joe Schmidt (if it's true he can't work with current NZRFU) would come in, but he must be 1st choice.
Then Jamie Joseph, Vern Cotter, others?That's a good start
It's pointless because it won't happen. Robertson is almost unsackable.. it would cost too much. Maybe he can be convinced to act with honour? I doubt it.
My prediction is there will be a couple of scapegoats at the end of the year - Hansen & Ellison.
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2025:
My prediction is there will be a couple of scapegoats at the end of the year - Hansen & Ellison.
Holland would have to be the most at risk as the backline isn't functioning. But if Hansen is the BB fanboy selector then he should go too.
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@Tim said in All Blacks 2025:
Is Darry available for the next game? Would be an upgrade on the shit served up today.
I think Va’ai and Holland are the starting locks. Patty T (when fit) is the impact lock (and brings leadership off the bench). That is tough on Scott Barrett, but he needs to work himself back into form and being a starter.
Which means ABs need a new captain. And I’m not sure who that is. I don’t think it should be Savea, because again the coaches need to get the backrow balance right.
Cody Taylor maybe in the interim? When fit, he’s a certain starter. If not Taylor, then who? Because there aren’t many players in the squad that scream certain starter and inspirational leader
@stodders said in All Blacks 2025:
@Tim said in All Blacks 2025:
Is Darry available for the next game? Would be an upgrade on the shit served up today.
I think Va’ai and Holland are the starting locks. Patty T (when fit) is the impact lock (and brings leadership off the bench). That is tough on Scott Barrett, but he needs to work himself back into form and being a starter.
Which means ABs need a new captain. And I’m not sure who that is. I don’t think it should be Savea, because again the coaches need to get the backrow balance right.
Cody Taylor maybe in the interim? When fit, he’s a certain starter. If not Taylor, then who? Because there aren’t many players in the squad that scream certain starter and inspirational leader
Tuipulotu and Holland have been the best combo this year. Vaai missed 5 tackles yesterday.
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Has Razor lost the dressing room?
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Has Razor lost the dressing room?
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2025:
Has Razor lost the dressing room?
I haven't heard any of the players come out to bat for him the way they did for Fozzie....
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Another thing, and I bought the point up earlier about him staying in Super Rugby too long, but we were told by his boys in the media and his fanboys especially in Chch that he loves a challenge and that he's full of innovation. Would sitting on his cozy little chair at the Crusaders for 7 years in a fairly weak SR competition suggest that this isn't the case? Maybe the media and former/current players who clearly read this forum could find out for us?
