Scotland v All Blacks
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Ok. 3 years ago
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@BerniesCorner said in Scotland v All Blacks:
Ok. 3 years ago
Ah, those far-off days when we actually won Rugby Championships....
I think the forwards certainly have more potential and depth than 2-3 years ago and the likes of Tupou Vaa'i & De Groot from that period have really grown, but we haven't a settled & balanced 6/7/8 playing well together yet. Good foundations though.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Scotland v All Blacks:
What disappoints with Robertson is he had 4 uninterrupted years to really develop players and gameplans. Instead there seems a continuing reliance on the old guard with injury being the main engine of change.
4 years? He started Nov 2023 and his first game was in 2024?
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@nostrildamus said in Scotland v All Blacks:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Scotland v All Blacks:
What disappoints with Robertson is he had 4 uninterrupted years to really develop players and gameplans. Instead there seems a continuing reliance on the old guard with injury being the main engine of change.
4 years? He started Nov 2023 and his first game was in 2024?
I used the simple past tense. You seem to have read it as the present perfect tense.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Scotland v All Blacks:
What disappoints with Robertson is he had 4 uninterrupted years to really develop players and gameplans. Instead there seems a continuing reliance on the old guard with injury being the main engine of change.
4 years? He started Nov 2023 and his first game was in 2024?
I used the simple past tense. You seem to have read it as the present perfect tense.
Oh you mean he has 4 years before the RWC but you're judging him now before son of Surf Jesus rises from the waves of Japan? Ok then.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Scotland v All Blacks:
@nostrildamus said in Scotland v All Blacks:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Scotland v All Blacks:
What disappoints with Robertson is he had 4 uninterrupted years to really develop players and gameplans. Instead there seems a continuing reliance on the old guard with injury being the main engine of change.
4 years? He started Nov 2023 and his first game was in 2024?
I used the simple past tense. You seem to have read it as the present perfect tense.
And correct use of the split infinitive, to boot!
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@nostrildamus said in Scotland v All Blacks:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Scotland v All Blacks:
What disappoints with Robertson is he had 4 uninterrupted years to really develop players and gameplans. Instead there seems a continuing reliance on the old guard with injury being the main engine of change.
4 years? He started Nov 2023 and his first game was in 2024?
I used the simple past tense. You seem to have read it as the present perfect tense.
Oh you mean he has 4 years before the RWC but you're judging him now before son of Surf Jesus rises from the waves of Japan? Ok then.
"had"
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Scotland v All Blacks:
@nostrildamus said in Scotland v All Blacks:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Scotland v All Blacks:
What disappoints with Robertson is he had 4 uninterrupted years to really develop players and gameplans. Instead there seems a continuing reliance on the old guard with injury being the main engine of change.
4 years? He started Nov 2023 and his first game was in 2024?
I used the simple past tense. You seem to have read it as the present perfect tense.
Oh you mean he has 4 years before the RWC but you're judging him now before son of Surf Jesus rises from the waves of Japan? Ok then.
"had"
no I think that is confusing. Yes he would have had 4 years when he started (or perhaps even less than that) but to say had now implies it is all gone. There are still 2 years left.
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@nostrildamus said in Scotland v All Blacks:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Scotland v All Blacks:
@nostrildamus said in Scotland v All Blacks:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Scotland v All Blacks:
What disappoints with Robertson is he had 4 uninterrupted years to really develop players and gameplans. Instead there seems a continuing reliance on the old guard with injury being the main engine of change.
4 years? He started Nov 2023 and his first game was in 2024?
I used the simple past tense. You seem to have read it as the present perfect tense.
Oh you mean he has 4 years before the RWC but you're judging him now before son of Surf Jesus rises from the waves of Japan? Ok then.
"had"
no I think that is confusing. Yes he would have had 4 years when he started (or perhaps even less than that) but to say had now implies it is all gone. There are still 2 years left.
But stick the boot in now while you can. It is easier to complain than suggest solutions.Auxiliary verb used conditionally and therefore incorrectly. Still "had"........
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@nonpartizan said in Scotland v All Blacks:
@DurryMexted said in Scotland v All Blacks:
@sparky said in Scotland v All Blacks:
How many bad games can Ardie Savea and Beauden Barrett keep having in Black?
I can't remember any of our players in the past escaping scrutiny for such consistently disappointing performances.
Thats the issue - there is a cognitive dissonance across the whole of NZ (& world) rugby media and consumers - people genuinely watch these guys play and their branding just over rides any actual critical thought about how these guys should be playing
So true.
Non NZ rugby media in particular give effusive praise to them both based mostly on reputation.
It's weird how in some quarters, actual form is a complete irrelevance when judging players. It's all vibes and highlights from years ago. Ardie was absolutely superb in Super rugby but he's not had a great test season but given his profile and PR he will never face all that much scrutiny.
I'm not even hating, it's just funny how in a professional workplace you can get away with so much based on your work performance a long time ago.
I think it strange, we all rightfully have opinions on most players, but if writers in the media have them different to us, we dismiss them, and suggest it's vibes and reputation. I make no secret ,I would at this stage pick BB (just) and certainly would Ardie. I admit I would like perhaps Ardie as captain, and perhaps wonder if we are better off with Scooter being dropped. Just my opinion of course, but if all were fit, I think my starting locks would be Holland and Vai'i with PT on bench, and Lord being in squad etc. But I also admit I know no more than anyone else , and just look at what I would want in my players.
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@BerniesCorner said in Scotland v All Blacks:
Fair point, cant argue with that.
My brain still thinks rugby is a 15 man game with oranges at half time but that's just me.Yep it's hard to change huh BC, just you nic puts you in the same era as me of how we see rugby. lol
One of reasons I can't get into every test seeming for some about building towards one or 2 games every 4 years. I still (I know stupidly) believe every test is or should be important. -
@brodean said in Scotland v All Blacks:
@canefan said in Scotland v All Blacks:
Razor has put all his hopes in RM being the man for us in 2027. If he isn't, he should be sent packing as an AB coaching failure
33 year old Richie Mo'unga isn't going to be better than the likes of Sacha FM and Willemse.
I doubt whether there anyone in world at this stage looks like being better than Sacha. he looks the scariest good 10 I can remember seeing for a bloody long time. Only thing we have to wait and see if he maintains it or god help the rest of world keeps getting better. But that's all part of the beauty of our game, seeing new players coming through from wherever they from.
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@pakman said in Scotland v All Blacks:
@BerniesCorner I want Parker in 23, and think it makes sense for him to start. Wally is brilliant to come off bench at about 50.
Flexibility to end with SSP or SSL depending on how things are panning out.Nice idea but he needs to actually throw this much vaunted "size" around and make an impression. He was "Rueben Thorne at his absolute worst" against Ireland.
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@MN5 said in Scotland v All Blacks:
@pakman said in Scotland v All Blacks:
@BerniesCorner I want Parker in 23, and think it makes sense for him to start. Wally is brilliant to come off bench at about 50.
Flexibility to end with SSP or SSL depending on how things are panning out.Nice idea but he needs to actually throw this much vaunted "size" around and make an impression. He was "Rueben Thorne at his absolute worst" against Ireland.
Sometimes the fact you are a cricket fan really shows.
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@Bones said in Scotland v All Blacks:
@MN5 said in Scotland v All Blacks:
@pakman said in Scotland v All Blacks:
@BerniesCorner I want Parker in 23, and think it makes sense for him to start. Wally is brilliant to come off bench at about 50.
Flexibility to end with SSP or SSL depending on how things are panning out.Nice idea but he needs to actually throw this much vaunted "size" around and make an impression. He was "Rueben Thorne at his absolute worst" against Ireland.
Sometimes the fact you are a cricket fan really shows.
0 metres gained is 0 metres in any sport.
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@MN5 said in Scotland v All Blacks:
@pakman said in Scotland v All Blacks:
@BerniesCorner I want Parker in 23, and think it makes sense for him to start. Wally is brilliant to come off bench at about 50.
Flexibility to end with SSP or SSL depending on how things are panning out.Nice idea but he needs to actually throw this much vaunted "size" around and make an impression. He was "Rueben Thorne at his absolute worst" against Ireland.
That said, he seemed to be a factor in our matching the Board pack in Boks I.
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@Snowy said in Scotland v All Blacks:
@canefan said in Scotland v All Blacks:
I recall Holland being described as anonymous in a game or two
Be careful of your sauces:
"Awful analysis, incorrect conclusions, zero insight
Wrong about pretty much everything"Nice. The comment was not meant to directed as a criticism of him per se, but more that the forward pack as a unit can be quite inconsistent from game to game. Come to think of it we can lack consistently during one 80 minute game....
