All Blacks 2025
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As McCaw sort of said, "It's going to be a shit summer"
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@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks 2025:
As McCaw sort of said, "It's going to be a shit summer"
"We're going to need a bigger toilet."
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@Tim said in All Blacks 2025:
low intelligence setup
New Zealanders, who aren't typically high IQ these days, accept this level of mediocrity I suspect in part because of horse face's decree of "be kind". The expectation of a baseline of performance based on previous results has disappeared - now a loss is accepted if it comes with the requisite highlight reel of we tried but they were good eh? But we got some learnings
The big difference between Razor and Foster is one of them got them assistants they wanted to begin with. For a loose forward who played for the All Blacks, his selections are the epitome of acquired brain injury; leaving out the best performing of the next highest level for donkeys. And then ensuring they don't get adequate time in specific positions to develop.
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@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
Interested in why many seem to be suddenly down on Carter. Is it just the missed tackle?
The missed tackle was crap but I like that dudes attitude.
Yeah and we'd be struggling for a 23 if we ditched players for missing crucial tackles.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
Interested in why many seem to be suddenly down on Carter. Is it just the missed tackle?
The missed tackle was crap but I like that dudes attitude.
Yeah and we'd be struggling for a 23 if we ditched players for missing crucial tackles.
Yeah Leroy Carter is this years Braydon Ennor now to be fair
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@frugby said in All Blacks 2025:
For mine, Proctor has been the letdown of the year, and is not worth persisting with.
Tavatavanawai and Fainga'anuku both lack the top line pace to be starting wingers, and lack the direction to be your starting centre, but they are the ideal players to have on the bench to provide punch.
ALB is done, and needs to be moved on. Ioane is also past his best, but is our best defensive centre currently available. I'd be looking at him and Brayden Ennor, who should have been brought back into the fold for this end of year tour.
We got rid of the best defensive centre to accommodate one who looked great at Super Rugby level on attack, not realising that the patterns were obviously different at their respective levels for different teams.
Lo and fucking behold with the abysmal attack structure the All Blacks run, his "upsides" were non-existent and his downsides were magnified. Then the "brains trust" put in players whose body of work "both side of the ball" were clearly worse and we're wondering why things are going wrong.
This goes to my previous point that New Zealanders appear to be fucking retarded now with them all going "but Rieko doesn't pass" ignoring when he got all those try assists...
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
Interested in why many seem to be suddenly down on Carter. Is it just the missed tackle?
The missed tackle was crap but I like that dudes attitude.
Yeah and we'd be struggling for a 23 if we ditched players for missing crucial tackles.
Yeah Leroy Carter is this years Braydon Ennor now to be fair
Ennor has one try in 9 tests. Carter has tripled that in 5.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
Interested in why many seem to be suddenly down on Carter. Is it just the missed tackle?
The missed tackle was crap but I like that dudes attitude.
Yeah and we'd be struggling for a 23 if we ditched players for missing crucial tackles.
Yeah Leroy Carter is this years Braydon Ennor now to be fair
Ennor has one try in 9 tests. Carter has tripled that in 5.
Yeah but he's making tackles so they tell me
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
From a quality source:
- Ellison responsible for breakdown and defence. Has had no success in either area before other than crusaders
- Hansen is responsible for attack is hated by everyone other than Razor. He’s why MacDonald and Holland have quite. Love challenged him on attack strategy and has been black listed since
- real risk is that if Razor gets sacked, there won’t be a long list of applicants, hence they gave Jamie Joseph the All Blacks Marketing XV as a natural progression
- net net a total shit show!!
Take this for what it is
Not the first time those points have been brought up.
When there's smoke there's fire.....
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@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2025:
For mine, Proctor has been the letdown of the year, and is not worth persisting with.
Tavatavanawai and Fainga'anuku both lack the top line pace to be starting wingers, and lack the direction to be your starting centre, but they are the ideal players to have on the bench to provide punch.
ALB is done, and needs to be moved on. Ioane is also past his best, but is our best defensive centre currently available. I'd be looking at him and Brayden Ennor, who should have been brought back into the fold for this end of year tour.
We got rid of the best defensive centre to accommodate one who looked great at Super Rugby level on attack, not realising that the patterns were obviously different at their respective levels for different teams.
Lo and fucking behold with the abysmal attack structure the All Blacks run, his "upsides" were non-existent and his downsides were magnified. Then the "brains trust" put in players whose body of work "both side of the ball" were clearly worse and we're wondering why things are going wrong.
This goes to my previous point that New Zealanders appear to be fucking retarded now with them all going "but Rieko doesn't pass" ignoring when he got all those try assists...
You're not wrong. Some of the people on those Legend of Marty Banks and Myth of DMac pages.....some of the worst opinions you'll see.
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@frugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@reprobate That is letting off Ratima way too lightly... generally the 10s performance is linked to the halfback, not the other way around.
I agree with this, but equally, the guy is getting no game time and is a pretty terrible fit with Barrett.
Today was his first real game time, for, how long? I can't be bothered looking but he has hardly played.
He's also very much a halfback that suits a Chief style offense and we certainly don't seem to be that type of team.
I 100% agree that he needs to improve parts of his game, especially his kicking is not at international level.
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@frugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@gt12 The flip argument is he is getting no game time because he has been poor - which begs the question, why haven't they tried someone else?
Good question, but (1) will another player get game time and (2) are they in the group of favourites who get a run?
This coaching team is very reliant on a small number of the squad and doesn't seem happy using their bench in any sort of innovative way.
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2025:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2025:
For what it's worth, Razor's press conferences were pretty dire for the Saders too, but that got over looked because he was winning. He really struggles to articulate. I wonder what he is like when addressing the players?
I heard he uses pictures of dogs barking at sheep to get his point across
In Whitelock's book.
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My guess is that the coaches have tried to shift a lot of the playmaking responsibilities away from 10 over the past 12 months and asked for the halfback to be more a general than just a feeder.
Ratima actually looked very good when he was just quickly getting the ball out in those final few minutes. He looked incredibly ponderous for the rest of his time in the field (and was similar towards the end of last year).
The interesting thing is that Roigard isn't actually any quicker with his ball delivery but he makes up for it with an incredible kicking game. You take that kicking game out of the equation and he didn't really cover himself in glory against England either - but it's such a key part of an NZ 9s role now because the guy selected at 10 has an awful kicking game and can't seem to run a backline, and the All Black look so insipid on attack which requires more from the halfback (potentially another product of the 10).
All of which is to say that Ratima is not a good option at the moment, not with the way the team plays and what they need out of a 9.
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@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks 2025:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2025:
@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
Devlin gone off on them.
I don't get Devlin's call for the assistant coaches to get sacked but keep Razor in his job, a call that has been made on here by some as well. Razor is the boss, the buck stops with him.
Probably because Fozzie was afforded that , he thinks that’s the acceptable way of changing things up without going the full sacking
Foster never got the assistants he wanted from the start though, and we saw improvements once he did. Hopefully Robertson got the assistants he wanted after the Foster debacle - but you never know with NZR......
NZR have created a real coaching mess in the last 2-3 years and right now Robertson looks out of his depth at Test level but putting someone experienced like Cotter in the mix with authority might help.
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@frugby said in All Blacks 2025:
Money aside, I think this is a little different to Foster. Possibly easier to just sweep house then trying to make this regime work.
Sure is different. We don't just play dumb rugby - now we just give up.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
putting someone experienced like Cotter in the mix with authority might help.
Might even have the temerity to tell Savea to hit a fucking ruck.
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@Tim said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
putting someone experienced like Cotter in the mix with authority might help.
Might even have the temerity to tell Savea to hit a fucking ruck.
Good luck with that. He'll probably pack his bags and move to Japan/R360 permanently with all his dickrider fans and media showing their solidarity towards him.
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@sparky said in All Blacks 2025:
@Jet 09:30 in and Devlin drops another truth bomb. Two years in and who has Robertson coached to be a better player?
Maybe Fabian Holland, Tupou Vaii, Josh Lord and Peter Lakai but it's not a long list.
Just picking on Holland as he is the guy I have followed the closest. He has been the best forward in every team he has played in. Not the ABs best, a clear standout at this stage. Has just been a constant improver. Not a player Roberston can take credit for. He would habe picked him last year, just wasn't eligible. He has done well out of the NZ system. Just an amazing athlete.
The dominance of the Chiefs and the Crusaders is an issue. Average players who wouldn't stand out for others get carried into the national side. While guys who could benefit from game time don't get the time they need to show their skills. We need to have better talent distribution in NZ rugby. At full strength the Crusaders will have an AB XV midfielder holding tackle bags. The Chiefs will have a nationally ranked six playing club rugby. Apparently our best six in NZ is primarily a lock.
If Kaylum Boshier is on the national radar will he see much footy at the Chiefs. The same with Dallas McLeod or Braydon Ennor.
We are in a luxurious position where our national body pulls the strings. Yet, most weeks we have guys on the radar in the stands.
There is no alignment between national and our premier competition.
The only position where we have a really good spread is halfback. Where there are premier halfbacks at every franchise.
