All Blacks - New Coach Selection
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@tubbyj said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@nzzp said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@nzzp said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
There's also been bad luck for Hansen. Losing the last warm up game at the RWC2019 was a real blow. He was cooked as a coach by then, but it really didn't help that team.
Are you mixing up RWC 19 and RWC 23? Are you thinking of the 2023 match vs Boks in London 2 weeks before the tournament?
I don't think so - RWC2019 our last pool game was washed out from memory, by a nasty cyclone. That obviously threw all the prep plans into disarray - and then we wound up in a tough QF with Ireland before shitting the bed against England.
Found it on WIki - the game vs Italy was washed out.
Edit: I wasn't clear -- was thinking of warmup for the knockout stages
That 2019 semi and the Boks game in Wellington last year should be required viewing by all coaches and players at the start of each season - starting this year.
What about the Twickenham thrashing? It was more like the 2019 semifinal where we where thrashed and toyed with by the boks from start to finish. We would have been nil-ed if not for Cameron Riogard coming on briefly and showing he should be the bench option in the RWC but Foster and Schmidt decided that Finlay Christie was the better option
A shockingly bad decision right up their with appointing red card Sam captain.
Here is the link to highlights if you have forgot
I watched the highlights you provided, read and reread your post, parsed the words for additional insight. It inspired me. So I found the whole game. Spent the day taking notes.
My overall conclusion from all this analysis was Razor Ray sucked as a coach and deserved to be sacked by Kirk.
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@canefan said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@reprobate said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@canefan said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@Frank said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
I'd love to seem them all together but it's very important who is head coach vs who is assistant. The head coach sets the tone. Of course it won't be Foster but Rennie as head coach sets a very different tone to Joseph.
My preference is Rennie head coach. Joseph as forward coach.
Foster in charge of the backs and diabetes management.The Gregor Paul article is interesting but just poses a pipe-dream While he'd clearly be a big asset in managing players/people and experience, I doubt we'll see Foster back.
Might be good for NZR to push for an up-and-coming coach with minima international/Test experience as an Assistant somewhere? Need an NZR-run development path for coaches.
We should encourage potential future AB coaches to take HC jobs in the NH to gain experience as a sort of finishing school before coming home to take the top job, rather than them leaving and never coming back because they think the door to the ABs is closed
I think it is more than a little optimistic to think that the NH sides are forever going to welcome our coaches to use their top teams as a stepping stone.
Wales say hold our beer
Think we need someone to run a strategy for developing coaching talent and ensuring there's a pathway to an AB gig.
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@tubbyj said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
What about the Twickenham thrashing?
Exhibition game. Things like RWCs & winning Rugby Championships are far more important.
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@canefan said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
At least one decorated coach, who fits the criteria, says he has not heard directly from NZ Rugby. He was miffed.
“What’s wrong with just picking up the phone?’’ he asked.Anyone get the irony of a decorated coach asking with what's wrong with picking up the phone? Is he unable too himself? Or do these things only work one way.
Precious much?
Yep seems to be from someone who considers himself above actually having to apply.
I mean, they would normally have their agents taking calls or making calls on their behalf around potential roles.
I am sure the agency that represents a coach would apply on their behalf.
I am also sure that NZR would have made overtures to coaches who would be in their shortlist letting them know they want them in the process.
I guess a coach who has had no initial encouragement realises he is not a coach that is top of mind for NZR for AB coach.
yep well I read one report where coach was upset he only got an email. I actually think these are just beat ups from media, or as I say we got some precious coaches.
Yeah, they have to write something I suppose!!
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@canefan said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@reprobate said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@canefan said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@Frank said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
I'd love to seem them all together but it's very important who is head coach vs who is assistant. The head coach sets the tone. Of course it won't be Foster but Rennie as head coach sets a very different tone to Joseph.
My preference is Rennie head coach. Joseph as forward coach.
Foster in charge of the backs and diabetes management.The Gregor Paul article is interesting but just poses a pipe-dream While he'd clearly be a big asset in managing players/people and experience, I doubt we'll see Foster back.
Might be good for NZR to push for an up-and-coming coach with minima international/Test experience as an Assistant somewhere? Need an NZR-run development path for coaches.
We should encourage potential future AB coaches to take HC jobs in the NH to gain experience as a sort of finishing school before coming home to take the top job, rather than them leaving and never coming back because they think the door to the ABs is closed
I think it is more than a little optimistic to think that the NH sides are forever going to welcome our coaches to use their top teams as a stepping stone.
Wales say hold our beer
Think we need someone to run a strategy for developing coaching talent and ensuring there's a pathway to an AB gig.
Yes, we do. For a large part of pro rugby, we couldnt keep hold of our coaches due to demand and lack of jobs and $€¥’£’s in NZ
Now that seems to be slowing down, due to europe/SA driving how the game develops.
We do need pathways and it looks as though it will have to include overseas experience. That makes it harder to control, manage and retain but they are going to have to try because if a 7 time super champ fails as AB coach, that pretty much kills off npc/super/Ab coach pathway
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What's going on ?
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@Jimmy-Jimmy said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
What's going on ?
Where the hell are the leaks ?there is a faint chance they are actually running a genuine selection process you know...
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@nostrildamus Yeah that is what I am hoping for but after years of coming on here for the gossip it is hard to get used to.
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This article cites an interview with Ian Foster https://www.planetrugby.com/news/ian-fosters-verdict-on-all-blacks-vacancy-and-issues-sure-of-it-prediction-after-scott-robertsons-sacking
“It’s Jamie Joseph’s job, I’m sure of it, then it’s either Brown with him or they are going to chase an experienced coach to do it with him for 18 months and then probably go to Tony Brown after the World Cup.”
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@allblackfan2 would be a reasonable outcome that I think will help with trajectory.
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jesus fucking christ. what a shit show.
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@george33 said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
Steve Hansen and Ian Foster have been asked to apply for the job according to the NZ Herald
Their subeditors all got fired and the headline stinks. The article says this:
New Zealand Rugby has approached both Sir Steve Hansen and Ian Foster to gauge interest in applying for the vacant role of All Blacks head coach, the Herald understands.
Given the requirements are
a) New Zealanders, with
b) International Coaching experience...and as that list would be veyr short, I can understand everyone on the list being approached to 'gauge interest'. A shitty paper turns that into ' asked to apply'.
For. Fucks. Sake.
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@nzzp not according to one coach last week who says ye qualified but not been asked
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@Donsteppa said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
That said, one or both of those two in a Wayne Smith type of role wouldn't be a bad thing
considering their standing on here, it's obviously been a bad couple of years if this is being floated unchallenged
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we would be the laughing stock of world rugby if we went back to foster after pretty publicly not renewing his contract and announcing Razor as the future...and if im honest i was worried hansen was running out of ideas towards the end of his run....so unless hes gone away and renewed his bag of tricks.....
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@Kiwiwomble Not only had his bag of tricks been emptied but he was quoted as saying that Foster was pretty much coaching the team in 2018/2019.
This was an attempt at pumping up Foster's tyres in order to influence the decision on who would replace Hansen.
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I'd welcome Steve Hansen being involved. Ideally for me as a selector or a mentor figure to a younger Head Coach.
I wouldn't be against Ian Foster as an Assistant
Coach as well given his experience and knowledge. I thought he did a great job with the backline between 2012 and 2019.
