All Blacks - New Coach Selection
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@frugby said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@Chris said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
Jamie Joseph has the job the work throughs are who the assistants are Hanson,Ellison and Ryan stay on or Jane,Lynn and McIntosh, come on board.
Pipe dream by NZR trying to get JJ and Rennie to work together maybe they can produce a miracle.
JJ was tagged for the Job before Rqzor was cut they are just working out how the above plays out.My sources tell me Jamie Joseph and Dave Rennie could definitely work together - in fact the pair have spoken.
JJ as head coach, Rennie as lead assistant (Attack), Ryan doing the forwards, Jane the likey defence coach.
I would be keen on that line up, I do admit, and would help set up Rennie for top job later?
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@Chris said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@Frank said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@Frank i honestly wouldnt have a problem with it if it made things clear....definitive.....a statement....but if we faf around for several weeks only to end up with the pre determined option....its juts a waste of time
Absolutely.
Lying to the public that the job is open when the outcome is predetermined.I don't personally believe Kirk is that unprofessional.
Kirk already lied by telling everyone the players were only told an hour before the press release Razor was sacked.
The players knew well before that.Yep Chris, but who told the players (if it true), was it Razor himself, if he was close to some of them?
The review board as I understand it.
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@frugby said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
My sources tell me Jamie Joseph and Dave Rennie could definitely work together - in fact the pair have spoken.
JJ as head coach, Rennie as lead assistant (Attack), Ryan doing the forwards, Jane the likey defence coach.
What your track record for your sauce's accuracy mate?
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@frugby said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@Chris said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
Jamie Joseph has the job the work throughs are who the assistants are Hanson,Ellison and Ryan stay on or Jane,Lynn and McIntosh, come on board.
Pipe dream by NZR trying to get JJ and Rennie to work together maybe they can produce a miracle.
JJ was tagged for the Job before Rqzor was cut they are just working out how the above plays out.My sources tell me Jamie Joseph and Dave Rennie could definitely work together - in fact the pair have spoken.
JJ as head coach, Rennie as lead assistant (Attack), Ryan doing the forwards, Jane the likey defence coach.
We will see,I hear Jane may take up a strategic coaching spot with the back 3.
Ellison may also stay as defence coach with Jane assisting . -
@Frank said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@frugby said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
My sources tell me Jamie Joseph and Dave Rennie could definitely work together - in fact the pair have spoken.
JJ as head coach, Rennie as lead assistant (Attack), Ryan doing the forwards, Jane the likey defence coach.
What your track record for your sauce's accuracy mate?
Perfect premium ketchup, or rancid rotten Watties?Don't you fucking come for Watties tomato sauce!
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@nzzp said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@Chris said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
Ellison may also stay as defence coach
Holy shit! Work experience guy with no track record to speak of? Surely not
Yeah not my choice it has been a major weakness.
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@Chris said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@frugby said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@Chris said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
Jamie Joseph has the job the work throughs are who the assistants are Hanson,Ellison and Ryan stay on or Jane,Lynn and McIntosh, come on board.
Pipe dream by NZR trying to get JJ and Rennie to work together maybe they can produce a miracle.
JJ was tagged for the Job before Rqzor was cut they are just working out how the above plays out.My sources tell me Jamie Joseph and Dave Rennie could definitely work together - in fact the pair have spoken.
JJ as head coach, Rennie as lead assistant (Attack), Ryan doing the forwards, Jane the likey defence coach.
We will see,I hear Jane may take up a strategic coaching spot with the back 3.
Ellison may also stay as defence coach with Jane assisting .What are you hearing about Ryan & Evans (lineout coach)? Surely they will stay as they were the 2 assistants to do a fair job in 2025.
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@restofit said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@Chris said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@frugby said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@Chris said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
Jamie Joseph has the job the work throughs are who the assistants are Hanson,Ellison and Ryan stay on or Jane,Lynn and McIntosh, come on board.
Pipe dream by NZR trying to get JJ and Rennie to work together maybe they can produce a miracle.
JJ was tagged for the Job before Rqzor was cut they are just working out how the above plays out.My sources tell me Jamie Joseph and Dave Rennie could definitely work together - in fact the pair have spoken.
JJ as head coach, Rennie as lead assistant (Attack), Ryan doing the forwards, Jane the likey defence coach.
We will see,I hear Jane may take up a strategic coaching spot with the back 3.
Ellison may also stay as defence coach with Jane assisting .What are you hearing about Ryan & Evans (lineout coach)? Surely they will stay as they were the 2 assistants to do a fair job in 2025.
Nothing much about Evan’s,the players like Ryan he is a chance of staying.
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@Frank said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@frugby said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
My sources tell me Jamie Joseph and Dave Rennie could definitely work together - in fact the pair have spoken.
JJ as head coach, Rennie as lead assistant (Attack), Ryan doing the forwards, Jane the likey defence coach.
What your track record for your sauce's accuracy mate?
Perfect premium ketchup, or rancid rotten Watties?I rate myself as somewhere in the middle. Most of my stuff comes through the Highlanders (hence JJ)
And if this turns out to be the case, I wouldn’t necessarily say I called it first - but from what I hear definitely a possibility that they could work together.
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@frugby said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@Frank said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@frugby said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
My sources tell me Jamie Joseph and Dave Rennie could definitely work together - in fact the pair have spoken.
JJ as head coach, Rennie as lead assistant (Attack), Ryan doing the forwards, Jane the likey defence coach.
What your track record for your sauce's accuracy mate?
Perfect premium ketchup, or rancid rotten Watties?I rate myself as somewhere in the middle. Most of my stuff comes through the Highlanders (hence JJ)
And if this turns out to be the case, I wouldn’t necessarily say I called it first - but from what I hear definitely a possibility that they could work together.
It would be mutually beneficial if they can settle who takes the HC title
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@Frank said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@frugby said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
I would also be surprised if Ellison left. Him and Jamie get on well
That's where we are at now
Not coaching performance but that two of the coaches "get on".For me whether Ellison stays or goes depends on what his role was. If he was responsible for deciding and implementing our patterns then I'd prefer he left. If his job was to faithfully do what he was told to by the HC maybe he can stay if he's comfortable with doing what JJ wants
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@Tim said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
Also mentioned was that Dave Rennie had such a bad relationship with NZR, and particularly Steve Tew, that he didn't want to apply for AB coach in 2019.
One of Knowler's articles mentioned that Joseph's people reached out to NZR to get assurance that the 2023 AB coach position was going to be a genuine contest, and was not just rubber-stamping Robertson's appointment. Joseph did apply, but you can understand how Rennie might feel this time for the same reason.
Inviting applications for a rubber stamp process happened in 2019. Might it have been different in 2017?
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
So, a long list of 11 who met the criteria:
Joseph
Rennie
Schmidt
Foster
Hansen
Cotter
Deans
Mitchell
Smith
Gatland
Crowley
Pivac
HaigHave to shed two already and doubtless several people I've forgotten. I haven't considered people like Kirwan, Hammett, Henry, who surely aren't in any frames.
Simon Mannix? Currently coaching Portugal (was looking up their playing colours)
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
So, a long list of 11 who met the criteria:
Joseph
Rennie
Schmidt
Foster
Hansen
Cotter
Deans
Mitchell
Smith
Gatland
Crowley
Pivac
Haigyeah, it's a terrible criteria as it's basically an over 60s club, most of these guys are close to retirement and in Japan setting up their families for life..
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@Tim said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
Also mentioned was that Dave Rennie had such a bad relationship with NZR, and particularly Steve Tew, that he didn't want to apply for AB coach in 2019.
Finding it positive he wants to apply. Hopefully another sign things are being turned around at NZR
