Has Hansen gone stale?
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@catogrande said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@kiwiinmelb said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
If we go into next season in a WC year as number 2 ,
it certainly is new territory ,
Going to be an interesting season ,
12 months is a long time and plenty can change in that time ,
Not panicking yet, but have concerns we are not so much sliding , but have plateaued
Cough, cough, 2003
Cough, cough 1999. (so close to the horrible 5 on the bounce losses of 1998)
@nzzp said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@catogrande said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@kiwiinmelb said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
If we go into next season in a WC year as number 2 ,
it certainly is new territory ,
Going to be an interesting season ,
12 months is a long time and plenty can change in that time ,
Not panicking yet, but have concerns we are not so much sliding , but have plateaued
Cough, cough, 2003
Cough, cough 1999. (so close to the horrible 5 on the bounce losses of 1998)
So not new territory?
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The reaction to losing at home to a much lower ranked SA side should have really had a more negative reaction than losing away to a number 2 (at the time) ranked Ireland. Because of the long-standing rivalry being reignited, many people (including me) were happy to let the Saffas have their win without properly acknowledging that that it signified something very negative about the level the ABs are playing at.
SA will be targeting our pool game to avoid Ireland in the quarters.
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Absolutely reject the idea of them foxing/keeping the powder dry. What exactly did they keep on ice in 2015? Aside from the droppies in the semi and what exactly where the tactical masterstrokes they had to hold back? I don't doubt they have some strike plays off set piece up their sleeve - but little else.
Stale? No. He has made some massive blunders in lowering certain standards for an AB 10, having no urgency to create a stable midfield combo, getting too far away from picking the best player available and picking sub-standard assistants to replace Ted and Smith.
The test for Hansen is if he truly believes Ireland are the best team in the world is he prepared to coach from underneath? Is he prepared to either accept that Ireland are going to dominate us in certain facets and coach around that or are we able to make the necessary changes and improvements to overcome Ireland's dominance?
There fear is that when Hansen says Ireland are the best in the world it is merely lip service and he will continue to coach with the assumption we can merely tinker with selections and a game plan and impose their will next time. Problem is if NZ dominate SR again, then we towel Australia and an SA B team in the TRC it's going to be happy days again. It's eerily similar to 1999.
@rotated said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
Absolutely reject the idea of them foxing/keeping the powder dry. What exactly did they keep on ice in 2015? Aside from the droppies in the semi and what exactly where the tactical masterstrokes they had to hold back? I don't doubt they have some strike plays off set piece up their sleeve - but little else.
They destroyed a French side and dominated the final. Had BFA not been given the world's softest YC the Wallabies would've been humped.
The masterstrokes is how they create and exploit space on the field. Often multiphase to achieve the desired effect.
Hansen has been a remarkably successful coach for a long time. I'm prepared to give him some rope.
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@kiwiinmelb said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
If we go into next season in a WC year as number 2 ,
it certainly is new territory ,
Going to be an interesting season ,
12 months is a long time and plenty can change in that time ,
Not panicking yet, but have concerns we are not so much sliding , but have plateaued
Cough, cough, 2003
@catogrande said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@kiwiinmelb said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
If we go into next season in a WC year as number 2 ,
it certainly is new territory ,
Going to be an interesting season ,
12 months is a long time and plenty can change in that time ,
Not panicking yet, but have concerns we are not so much sliding , but have plateaued
Cough, cough, 2003
For these players
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We'll be asking this on the All Blacks Edition on Wednesday night 8pm.
But is Hansen hiding some tricks that he doesn't want to show before the Rugby World Cup? I think it's all about winning there not this year.
@drivingmaul said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
But is Hansen hiding some tricks that he doesn't want to show before the Rugby World Cup? I think it's all about winning there not this year.
I guess that is what we are all hoping.
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@drivingmaul said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
But is Hansen hiding some tricks that he doesn't want to show before the Rugby World Cup? I think it's all about winning there not this year.
I guess that is what we are all hoping.
@snowy said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@drivingmaul said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
But is Hansen hiding some tricks that he doesn't want to show before the Rugby World Cup? I think it's all about winning there not this year.
I guess that is what we are all hoping.
Ireland and other sides are probably also holding back.
It's not just the ABs that have some super secret tactics. -
@snowy said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@drivingmaul said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
But is Hansen hiding some tricks that he doesn't want to show before the Rugby World Cup? I think it's all about winning there not this year.
I guess that is what we are all hoping.
Ireland and other sides are probably also holding back.
It's not just the ABs that have some super secret tactics. -
on the positive side, this could be the most interesting rugby week on the Fern in years. We just had a loss people care about.
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on the positive side, this could be the most interesting rugby week on the Fern in years. We just had a loss people care about.
@mariner4life said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
on the positive side, this could be the most interesting rugby week on the Fern in years. We just had a loss people care about.
Hell yeah - would love to see the traffic from a typical week to this week!
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@mariner4life said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
on the positive side, this could be the most interesting rugby week on the Fern in years. We just had a loss people care about.
Hell yeah - would love to see the traffic from a typical week to this week!
@nzzp said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@mariner4life said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
on the positive side, this could be the most interesting rugby week on the Fern in years. We just had a loss people care about.
Hell yeah - would love to see the traffic from a typical week to this week!
we might not even need to make up rando topics in the middle of threads to entertain ourselves
will it be tomorrow or wednesday when the fingers start getting pointed across provincial lines?
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@nzzp said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@mariner4life said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
on the positive side, this could be the most interesting rugby week on the Fern in years. We just had a loss people care about.
Hell yeah - would love to see the traffic from a typical week to this week!
we might not even need to make up rando topics in the middle of threads to entertain ourselves
will it be tomorrow or wednesday when the fingers start getting pointed across provincial lines?
@mariner4life said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
will it be tomorrow or wednesday when the fingers start getting pointed across provincial lines?
I'd start it now but they were pretty universally shit.
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@mariner4life said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
will it be tomorrow or wednesday when the fingers start getting pointed across provincial lines?
I'd start it now but they were pretty universally shit.
@snowy said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@mariner4life said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
will it be tomorrow or wednesday when the fingers start getting pointed across provincial lines?
I'd start it now but they were pretty universally shit.
you can start with players who weren't present....
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@snowy said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@mariner4life said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
will it be tomorrow or wednesday when the fingers start getting pointed across provincial lines?
I'd start it now but they were pretty universally shit.
you can start with players who weren't present....
@mariner4life Nonu, Richie, Conrad?
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@nzzp said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@mariner4life said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
on the positive side, this could be the most interesting rugby week on the Fern in years. We just had a loss people care about.
Hell yeah - would love to see the traffic from a typical week to this week!
we might not even need to make up rando topics in the middle of threads to entertain ourselves
will it be tomorrow or wednesday when the fingers start getting pointed across provincial lines?
@mariner4life said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@nzzp said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@mariner4life said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
on the positive side, this could be the most interesting rugby week on the Fern in years. We just had a loss people care about.
Hell yeah - would love to see the traffic from a typical week to this week!
we might not even need to make up rando topics in the middle of threads to entertain ourselves
will it be tomorrow or wednesday when the fingers start getting pointed across provincial lines?
You mean no more dick pick threads?
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@mariner4life said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@nzzp said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@mariner4life said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
on the positive side, this could be the most interesting rugby week on the Fern in years. We just had a loss people care about.
Hell yeah - would love to see the traffic from a typical week to this week!
we might not even need to make up rando topics in the middle of threads to entertain ourselves
will it be tomorrow or wednesday when the fingers start getting pointed across provincial lines?
You mean no more dick pick threads?
@rancid-schnitzel said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@mariner4life said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@nzzp said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@mariner4life said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
on the positive side, this could be the most interesting rugby week on the Fern in years. We just had a loss people care about.
Hell yeah - would love to see the traffic from a typical week to this week!
we might not even need to make up rando topics in the middle of threads to entertain ourselves
will it be tomorrow or wednesday when the fingers start getting pointed across provincial lines?
You mean no more dick pick threads?
hey hey hey, let's not throw the baby out with the bath water. Epic threads are welcome at any time. Especially at a time of mourning and recrimination
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The “we were holding something back” argument is always nice wishful thinking, but often bollocks.
I can’t easily remember the last time a team suddenly pulled off a triple scissors esque move for the first time ever in an RWC knockout game.
If we were holding any cards close to our chest this weekend then we’ve been doing so for about 15 months. Perhaps we’ve been holding back having a kicking game that isn’t pedestrian/custard footed. Maybe some of our forwards won’t play in leaden shoes or won’t butter their fingers next year.
The hopeful comparisons with the 2015 pool games are all well and good, except this time they all had the Japan game off.
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The “we were holding something back” argument is always nice wishful thinking, but often bollocks.
I can’t easily remember the last time a team suddenly pulled off a triple scissors esque move for the first time ever in an RWC knockout game.
If we were holding any cards close to our chest this weekend then we’ve been doing so for about 15 months. Perhaps we’ve been holding back having a kicking game that isn’t pedestrian/custard footed. Maybe some of our forwards won’t play in leaden shoes or won’t butter their fingers next year.
The hopeful comparisons with the 2015 pool games are all well and good, except this time they all had the Japan game off.
@donsteppa said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
The “we were holding something back” argument is always nice wishful thinking, but often bollocks.
I can’t easily remember the last time a team suddenly pulled off a triple scissors esque move for the first time ever in an RWC knockout game.
If we were holding any cards close to our chest this weekend then we’ve been doing so for about 15 months. Perhaps we’ve been holding back having a kicking game that isn’t pedestrian/custard footed. Maybe some of our forwards won’t play in leaden shoes or without buttering their fingers next year...
The hopeful comparisons with the 2015 pool games are all well and good, except this time they all had the Japan game off.
It dates back to Laurie Mains. He at least claimed that he deliberately used a conservative game plan in 94 to outfox the opposition. Not sure how true that is. It certainly helped to have Lomu, Mehrtens, Osborne and Kronfeld in 95.
Ultimately it's not smart to have untested hidden genius tactics if they prove to be utterly shit.
I do however think there will be a different game plan and far more strategic thinking going into each game. There has to be. More of the same will be the death of us.
Thing is, NZ winning the last 2 RWCs has been the best thing for international rugby. When we couldn't win the farking thing there was less respect for AB achievements in the intervening years. In Australia in particular, even a crushing loss was "building nicely for the world cup". Apparently doing well in a tournament every four years, justifies three years of shit.
It's been a pleasant change. So for the health of international rugby, it's imperative that NZ wins the RWC. Absolutely vital.
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@donsteppa said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
The “we were holding something back” argument is always nice wishful thinking, but often bollocks.
I can’t easily remember the last time a team suddenly pulled off a triple scissors esque move for the first time ever in an RWC knockout game.
If we were holding any cards close to our chest this weekend then we’ve been doing so for about 15 months. Perhaps we’ve been holding back having a kicking game that isn’t pedestrian/custard footed. Maybe some of our forwards won’t play in leaden shoes or without buttering their fingers next year...
The hopeful comparisons with the 2015 pool games are all well and good, except this time they all had the Japan game off.
It dates back to Laurie Mains. He at least claimed that he deliberately used a conservative game plan in 94 to outfox the opposition. Not sure how true that is. It certainly helped to have Lomu, Mehrtens, Osborne and Kronfeld in 95.
Ultimately it's not smart to have untested hidden genius tactics if they prove to be utterly shit.
I do however think there will be a different game plan and far more strategic thinking going into each game. There has to be. More of the same will be the death of us.
Thing is, NZ winning the last 2 RWCs has been the best thing for international rugby. When we couldn't win the farking thing there was less respect for AB achievements in the intervening years. In Australia in particular, even a crushing loss was "building nicely for the world cup". Apparently doing well in a tournament every four years, justifies three years of shit.
It's been a pleasant change. So for the health of international rugby, it's imperative that NZ wins the RWC. Absolutely vital.
@rancid-schnitzel said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
I do however think there will be a different game plan and far more strategic thinking going into each game. There has to be. More of the same will be the death of us.
Thats the thing, they are trying a different one (or2?) just it aint working, so now what?
Not much actual game time to iron the kinks out to try get it right, or will we see some AB players play to specific AB gameplans in super rugby?
The other thing is people questioning Reads leadership, was pretty damn good last week, adjusting and adapting, which TBF I think was a reflection of the ABs were actually playing alright bar the 1st 20, whereas yesterday a bunch of players, including Read were playing poorly so we needed an awful lot of players yesterday to energise and step back up.
Given how we played (more so in execution of basic skills - kicking, catching) yesterday, we left a few points out there, as did Ireland, is it really the end of the world we only lost by 7, or can that be looked at as a positive?
