Exodus
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I think he’s got the inside track to start at 8 next year, but I can’t see your back row playing at the World Cup.
The only way Ioane starts a big game is if Read is injured or loses form so badly that they drop him altogether.
I can’t even see a place for him on the bench either, as there is no lock cover if both he and Ardie are there. He’s re-signed so I hope he’s patient, and with luck will get some time this year, in development for next year.
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England have Billy Vunipola, Ireland have CJ Stander, France will soon have Jordan Joseph. The number 8 position is changing (in part to reflect defence patterns but also refereeing interpretations). Power is key. Akira has lots of it.
Changing their back row in World Cup year isn't causing England problems.
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You have much more faith in the selectors than I do. I think he'll be lucky to be selected.
Having said that, I'd certainly be open to us trying Sparky's back row. I just don't think it will happen.
@gt12 said in Exodus 2019:
You have much more faith in the selectors than I do. I think he'll be lucky to be selected.
Having said that, I'd certainly be open to us trying Sparky's back row. I just don't think it will happen.
Akira, Mo'unga, Goodhue, Bridge. All guys with little/no game time that opposition really won't have much data available for, yet have been heavily involved in AB squads. Maybe even someone like Jordan too. We know these selectors like to have players like this in a RWC squad and unleash them for the big games.
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Squire no loss. Frizzell and Hemopo already probably better players.
Said it before, will say it again. ABs World Cup back row: 6 Kieran Read, 7 Sam Cane , 8 Akira Ioane. Impact from the bench Scott Barrett and Ardie Savea.
@sparky said in Exodus 2019:
Squire no loss. Frizzell and Hemopo already probably better players.
Said it before, will say it again. ABs World Cup back row: 6 Kieran Read, 7 Sam Cane , 8 Akira Ioane. Impact from the bench Scott Barrett and Ardie Savea.
I'll have some of what you're smoking
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@gt12 said in Exodus 2019:
You have much more faith in the selectors than I do. I think he'll be lucky to be selected.
Having said that, I'd certainly be open to us trying Sparky's back row. I just don't think it will happen.
Akira, Mo'unga, Goodhue, Bridge. All guys with little/no game time that opposition really won't have much data available for, yet have been heavily involved in AB squads. Maybe even someone like Jordan too. We know these selectors like to have players like this in a RWC squad and unleash them for the big games.
@Bones If Bridge could get time on the right wing for the Crusaders, that would be great.
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Now it's official: Squire is going to NTT Docomo Red Hurricanes. He has signed with the club for 2 seasons.
http://www.allblacks.com/News/33727/squire-to-depart-new-zealand-at-end-of-2019
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Squire no loss. Frizzell and Hemopo already probably better players.
Said it before, will say it again. ABs World Cup back row: 6 Kieran Read, 7 Sam Cane , 8 Akira Ioane. Impact from the bench Scott Barrett and Ardie Savea.
@sparky said in Exodus 2019:
Squire no loss. Frizzell and Hemopo already probably better players.
Said it before, will say it again. ABs World Cup back row: 6 Kieran Read, 7 Sam Cane , 8 Akira Ioane. Impact from the bench Scott Barrett and Ardie Savea.
Not sure how likely that is but it makes more sense to me than Akira at 6. The Italy game showed out the most effective 6 game in the ABs gameplan which was Fifita being a spot tackler with speed off the line. The disruption and potential to create an opposition error was great.
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@Nepia said in Exodus 2019:
@taniwharugby 8 years in the ABs is nothing to be sneezed at.
A single cap off the bench in the 78th minute in black is nothing to sneeze at.
For a guy who wasn't able to hold down a starting spot in the test team the column inches and media circus got a bit much. When all of that is stripped away he has had the Super/Test career of Liam Messam, with a good offload in a RWC final and the record for most cards in AB history.
It's a pity that his code-and-continent-hopping tendencies didn't kick in a season or two earlier (around the same age they do for tenured All Blacks) because he has offered buckleys for anyone other than the journalists this cycle.
Got any stats to back up that claim?
I'm thinking no, if this is anything to go by.
http://stats.espnscrum.com/scrum/rugby/records/player/most_yellow_cards.html?id=8;type=team
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@Bones Impressive stats for McCaw, cloak or no cloak. 148 matches in the back row and only 3 yellows. Hats off.
@Catogrande said in Exodus 2019:
@Bones Impressive stats for McCaw, cloak or no cloak. 148 matches in the back row and only 3 yellows. Hats off.
Probably inversely as unimpressive is Beauds, especially when you look at the fact not far below half of those caps are off the bench.
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@sparky said in Exodus 2019:
Squire no loss. Frizzell and Hemopo already probably better players.
Said it before, will say it again. ABs World Cup back row: 6 Kieran Read, 7 Sam Cane , 8 Akira Ioane. Impact from the bench Scott Barrett and Ardie Savea.
I'll have some of what you're smoking
Personally, I prefer books and booze.
England have radically altered their back row in recent games and look better for it. Akira is NZ's better version of Billy Vunipola. Test forward packs need four ball-carriers these days. Read could perform at 6 the sort of role Peter O'Mahony did so well for Ireland last year.
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Melani Nanai has signed for the Worcester Warriors and will join them at the end of Super Rugby.
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England have Billy Vunipola, Ireland have CJ Stander, France will soon have Jordan Joseph. The number 8 position is changing (in part to reflect defence patterns but also refereeing interpretations). Power is key. Akira has lots of it.
Changing their back row in World Cup year isn't causing England problems.
@sparky said in Exodus 2019:
England have Billy Vunipola, Ireland have CJ Stander, France will soon have Jordan Joseph. The number 8 position is changing (in part to reflect defence patterns but also refereeing interpretations). Power is key. Akira has lots of it.
Changing their back row in World Cup year isn't causing England problems.
sheeeesh. does old mate Louis Picamoles know he's been discarded?
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@Stargazer cant wait for all the Luatua-esque outrage...
@Tanifulla said in Exodus 2019:
@Stargazer cant wait for all the Luatua-esque outrage...
Won't happen, because he doesn't play for the Blues. :fishing_pole:
