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  • sparkyS sparky

    Squire no loss. Frizzell and Hemopo already probably better players.

    Said it before, will say it again. ABs World Cup back row: 6 Kieran Read, 7 Sam Cane , 8 Akira Ioane. Impact from the bench Scott Barrett and Ardie Savea.

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    @sparky said in Exodus 2019:

    Squire no loss. Frizzell and Hemopo already probably better players.

    Said it before, will say it again. ABs World Cup back row: 6 Kieran Read, 7 Sam Cane , 8 Akira Ioane. Impact from the bench Scott Barrett and Ardie Savea.

    Not sure how likely that is but it makes more sense to me than Akira at 6. The Italy game showed out the most effective 6 game in the ABs gameplan which was Fifita being a spot tackler with speed off the line. The disruption and potential to create an opposition error was great.

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    • BonesB Bones

      @Crucial said in Exodus 2019:

      @rotated said in Exodus 2019:

      @Nepia said in Exodus 2019:

      @taniwharugby 8 years in the ABs is nothing to be sneezed at.

      A single cap off the bench in the 78th minute in black is nothing to sneeze at.

      For a guy who wasn't able to hold down a starting spot in the test team the column inches and media circus got a bit much. When all of that is stripped away he has had the Super/Test career of Liam Messam, with a good offload in a RWC final and the record for most cards in AB history.

      It's a pity that his code-and-continent-hopping tendencies didn't kick in a season or two earlier (around the same age they do for tenured All Blacks) because he has offered buckleys for anyone other than the journalists this cycle.

      Got any stats to back up that claim?

      I'm thinking no, if this is anything to go by.
      http://stats.espnscrum.com/scrum/rugby/records/player/most_yellow_cards.html?id=8;type=team

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      @Bones Impressive stats for McCaw, cloak or no cloak. 148 matches in the back row and only 3 yellows. Hats off.

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      • CatograndeC Catogrande

        @Bones Impressive stats for McCaw, cloak or no cloak. 148 matches in the back row and only 3 yellows. Hats off.

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        @Catogrande said in Exodus 2019:

        @Bones Impressive stats for McCaw, cloak or no cloak. 148 matches in the back row and only 3 yellows. Hats off.

        Probably inversely as unimpressive is Beauds, especially when you look at the fact not far below half of those caps are off the bench.

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        • M Machpants

          @sparky said in Exodus 2019:

          Squire no loss. Frizzell and Hemopo already probably better players.

          Said it before, will say it again. ABs World Cup back row: 6 Kieran Read, 7 Sam Cane , 8 Akira Ioane. Impact from the bench Scott Barrett and Ardie Savea.

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          I'll have some of what you're smoking

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          @Machpants

          Personally, I prefer books and booze.

          England have radically altered their back row in recent games and look better for it. Akira is NZ's better version of Billy Vunipola. Test forward packs need four ball-carriers these days. Read could perform at 6 the sort of role Peter O'Mahony did so well for Ireland last year.

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            Melani Nanai has signed for the Worcester Warriors and will join them at the end of Super Rugby.

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            • YeetyaahY Yeetyaah

              Melani Nanai has signed for the Worcester Warriors and will join them at the end of Super Rugby.

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              @Yeetyaah said in Exodus 2019:

              Melani Nanai has signed for the Worcester Warriors and will join them at the end of Super Rugby.

              Well earned I'd say. Worcester do seem to live their "not quite all black" kiwis.

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              • sparkyS sparky

                England have Billy Vunipola, Ireland have CJ Stander, France will soon have Jordan Joseph. The number 8 position is changing (in part to reflect defence patterns but also refereeing interpretations). Power is key. Akira has lots of it.

                Changing their back row in World Cup year isn't causing England problems.

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                @sparky said in Exodus 2019:

                England have Billy Vunipola, Ireland have CJ Stander, France will soon have Jordan Joseph. The number 8 position is changing (in part to reflect defence patterns but also refereeing interpretations). Power is key. Akira has lots of it.

                Changing their back row in World Cup year isn't causing England problems.

                sheeeesh. does old mate Louis Picamoles know he's been discarded?

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                  https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/110689025/worcester-warriors-confirm-signing-of-blues-and-auckland-winger-melani-nanai

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                    Nanai has been playing consistently well over the last few months. Shame to see him go I guess we'll see him play for Samoa at the RWC now

                    He was on the fringes of AB selection back in 2016. But he really didn't kick on in the 2017/2018 SR seasons

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                    • T Tanifulla

                      @Stargazer cant wait for all the Luatua-esque outrage...

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                      @Tanifulla said in Exodus 2019:

                      @Stargazer cant wait for all the Luatua-esque outrage...

                      Won't happen, because he doesn't play for the Blues. :fishing_pole:

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                        https://www.foxsports.com.au/rugby/comment-owner-of-french-rugby-club-toulon-is-a-clown/news-story/c6187bfd2d51d8f074b83be18516ed06

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                          Pro rugby players know fuck all about rugby outside of their bubble, which seems right from players I've talked to. Can bite them in the arse, when choosing a cashed up club to sign for
                          https://www.rugbypass.com/news/its-not-all-about-the-money-a-warning-for-european-bound-all-blacks

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                          • M Machpants

                            Pro rugby players know fuck all about rugby outside of their bubble, which seems right from players I've talked to. Can bite them in the arse, when choosing a cashed up club to sign for
                            https://www.rugbypass.com/news/its-not-all-about-the-money-a-warning-for-european-bound-all-blacks

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                            @Machpants that pretty much flies in the face of what Piutau and Sopoaga are apparently preaching...

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                            • DuluthD Duluth

                              https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/110689025/worcester-warriors-confirm-signing-of-blues-and-auckland-winger-melani-nanai

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                              @Duluth said in Exodus 2019:

                              https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/110689025/worcester-warriors-confirm-signing-of-blues-and-auckland-winger-melani-nanai

                              Not in this article on stuff, but reading the original media release, I see that Northland halfback Jono Kitto has also signed with Worcester Warriors (for a 2nd stint).

                              https://warriors.co.uk/2019/02/11/warriors-sign-scrum-half-kitto/

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                                seems a bit Chicken Little...

                                https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/opinion/110891454/talent-drain-is-already-hurting-new-zealand-rugby

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                                  With the Chiefs and NZ Sevens so impacted by injuries it was a surprise to see Bailey Simonsson not in consideration.... until one has a look at the Canberra Raiders squad-list. Presumably cover for fellow kiwi ex-union player Jordan Rapana.

                                  Kinda sneaked under the radar, because it wasn't a French, UK or Japanese club announcing the signing...

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                                  • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

                                    @Chester-Draws said in Exodus 2019:

                                    @Chris-B

                                    Did you read the article? It suggests Retallick is likely to only go for one or two years.

                                    he'll come back heavy, worn out, and a bit shit.

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                                    @mariner4life said in Exodus 2019:

                                    @Chester-Draws said in Exodus 2019:

                                    @Chris-B

                                    Did you read the article? It suggests Retallick is likely to only go for one or two years.

                                    he'll come back heavy, worn out, and a bit shit.

                                    Heavy worn out a bit shit and will still get an auto MOTM vote from me.

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                                    • A ARHS

                                      With the Chiefs and NZ Sevens so impacted by injuries it was a surprise to see Bailey Simonsson not in consideration.... until one has a look at the Canberra Raiders squad-list. Presumably cover for fellow kiwi ex-union player Jordan Rapana.

                                      Kinda sneaked under the radar, because it wasn't a French, UK or Japanese club announcing the signing...

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                                      @ARHS I think he was a leagiue originally - grew up in Sydney/Canberra.

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                                        Official:

                                        This will indeed be Kieran Read's last year playing in New Zealand. He will join Japanese club Toyota Verblitz next year.

                                        http://www.allblacks.com/News/33799/read-confirms-2019-will-be-swansong-year-in-new-zealand

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                                        • StargazerS Stargazer

                                          Official:

                                          This will indeed be Kieran Read's last year playing in New Zealand. He will join Japanese club Toyota Verblitz next year.

                                          http://www.allblacks.com/News/33799/read-confirms-2019-will-be-swansong-year-in-new-zealand

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                                          @Stargazer said in Exodus 2019:

                                          Official:

                                          This will indeed be Kieran Read's last year playing in New Zealand. He will join Japanese club Toyota Verblitz next year.

                                          http://www.allblacks.com/News/33799/read-confirms-2019-will-be-swansong-year-in-new-zealand

                                          Hopefully he can go out a champion in japan then

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