Stadium of Canterbury
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25,000 seater that will look like a click clack container with that see through roof.
What a waste. This is the perfect opportunity to build something that is future proof with the ever growing populations and they are going with a 25,000 seater.
@shark is not a happy camper, that is for sure
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25,000 seater that will look like a click clack container with that see through roof.
What a waste. This is the perfect opportunity to build something that is future proof with the ever growing populations and they are going with a 25,000 seater.
@shark is not a happy camper, that is for sure
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@Hooroo it should be a minimum of 35,000 to be a viable stadium for that area. Not bothered by the roof, something different.
Seems a waste of time having insurance if you can’t build a like for like replacement.
@Kirwan said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@Hooroo it should be a minimum of 35,000 to be a viable stadium for that area. Not bothered by the roof, something different.
Seems a waste of time having insurance if you can’t build a like for like replacement.
Totally agree.
Shark was mentioning on Facebook last night that with a stadium at 25k, it is only in competition for tests with Waikato Stadium, Albany etc. That makes it rather small. 3rd biggest city in NZ and growing.
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@Hooroo it should be a minimum of 35,000 to be a viable stadium for that area. Not bothered by the roof, something different.
Seems a waste of time having insurance if you can’t build a like for like replacement.
@Kirwan said in Stadium of Canterbury:
Seems a waste of time having insurance if you can’t build a like for like replacement.
a 'like for like' rebuild isnt what they are planning...most insurance policies have specific clauses about rebuilding differently at different sites etc.
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@Hooroo it should be a minimum of 35,000 to be a viable stadium for that area. Not bothered by the roof, something different.
Seems a waste of time having insurance if you can’t build a like for like replacement.
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@Tim said in Stadium of Canterbury:
BTW, Dunedin's Forsyth Barr Stadium had a construction cost of $198M
How long ago was that built though?
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2009 - 2011. How much have construction costs in NZ gone up in that time?
What are the additional costs from seismic measures?
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2009 - 2011. How much have construction costs in NZ gone up in that time?
What are the additional costs from seismic measures?
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@Tim lots!
@taniwharugby Love that deliberate net immigration increase from 10 to 20k per annum to 60 to 70k. Great policy for everyone.
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For me this is a brilliant option. Cantabs should really get behind it and make sure it happens
More than 25000 is too much now. Play the big tests mostly in Auckland and let the rest of the country have a smaller stadium that at least will be part full for most matches. Even when its raining
10 or 20% full is a poor atmosphere. And looks terrible on TV and that's where the focus is now.
edit. The current stadium look shit on TV. Its a joke even when almost full.
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@Kirwan said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@Hooroo it should be a minimum of 35,000 to be a viable stadium for that area. Not bothered by the roof, something different.
Seems a waste of time having insurance if you can’t build a like for like replacement.
Totally agree.
Shark was mentioning on Facebook last night that with a stadium at 25k, it is only in competition for tests with Waikato Stadium, Albany etc. That makes it rather small. 3rd biggest city in NZ and growing.
@Hooroo said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@Kirwan said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@Hooroo it should be a minimum of 35,000 to be a viable stadium for that area. Not bothered by the roof, something different.
Seems a waste of time having insurance if you can’t build a like for like replacement.
Totally agree.
Shark was mentioning on Facebook last night that with a stadium at 25k, it is only in competition for tests with Waikato Stadium, Albany etc. That makes it rather small. 3rd biggest city in NZ and growing.
Yeah, 30k would have been a nice number, with extra seating brought in to get to 35k, but personally I’m happy that it’s undercover as that will make attending games easier. My only problem is that no doubt my boy will end up a Crusaders fan, which will be unbearable.
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@Hooroo said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@Kirwan said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@Hooroo it should be a minimum of 35,000 to be a viable stadium for that area. Not bothered by the roof, something different.
Seems a waste of time having insurance if you can’t build a like for like replacement.
Totally agree.
Shark was mentioning on Facebook last night that with a stadium at 25k, it is only in competition for tests with Waikato Stadium, Albany etc. That makes it rather small. 3rd biggest city in NZ and growing.
Yeah, 30k would have been a nice number, with extra seating brought in to get to 35k, but personally I’m happy that it’s undercover as that will make attending games easier. My only problem is that no doubt my boy will end up a Crusaders fan, which will be unbearable.
@gt12 said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@Hooroo said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@Kirwan said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@Hooroo it should be a minimum of 35,000 to be a viable stadium for that area. Not bothered by the roof, something different.
Seems a waste of time having insurance if you can’t build a like for like replacement.
Totally agree.
Shark was mentioning on Facebook last night that with a stadium at 25k, it is only in competition for tests with Waikato Stadium, Albany etc. That makes it rather small. 3rd biggest city in NZ and growing.
Yeah, 30k would have been a nice number, with extra seating brought in to get to 35k, but personally I’m happy that it’s undercover as that will make attending games easier. My only problem is that no doubt my boy will end up a Crusaders fan, which will be unbearable.
Just buy him a shirt from you franchise! That is usually enough to buy loyalty.
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@Duluth the rugby attendance figures seemed ... optimistic
six to seven Super Rugby games (15,000 attendees), and four to five provincial rugby games (7000 attendees).
anyone have the 2019 attendance figures? I can't find them with a quick google (but this was itnerestinghttps://www.austadiums.com/sport/comp_results.php?sid=5)
that said, this article from 2017 may mean 15k is achievable. I just remember being at AMI for the Mitre 10 cup final in 2010, and there were less than 3,000 people there.
The Hurricanes were attracting an average of 16,901 people to Westpac Stadium each week, more than 3000 more than in 2015. Blues crowds were up 18.27 per cent, an extra 2000 people each night. The Chiefs and Crusaders had small gains, but gains they had.
Only the Highlanders saw crowds decline in that period, down from an average of 18,500 in 2015 to 14,751 in 2017 - a drop of 20.26 per cent.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/104613809/new-zealand-super-rugby-crowds-good-but-south-africa-australia-on-life-support -
@Duluth the rugby attendance figures seemed ... optimistic
six to seven Super Rugby games (15,000 attendees), and four to five provincial rugby games (7000 attendees).
anyone have the 2019 attendance figures? I can't find them with a quick google (but this was itnerestinghttps://www.austadiums.com/sport/comp_results.php?sid=5)
that said, this article from 2017 may mean 15k is achievable. I just remember being at AMI for the Mitre 10 cup final in 2010, and there were less than 3,000 people there.
The Hurricanes were attracting an average of 16,901 people to Westpac Stadium each week, more than 3000 more than in 2015. Blues crowds were up 18.27 per cent, an extra 2000 people each night. The Chiefs and Crusaders had small gains, but gains they had.
Only the Highlanders saw crowds decline in that period, down from an average of 18,500 in 2015 to 14,751 in 2017 - a drop of 20.26 per cent.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/104613809/new-zealand-super-rugby-crowds-good-but-south-africa-australia-on-life-support -
@nzzp The super rugby attendance figures sound about right but the provincial attendance figures sound optimistic - does any team pull 7k average home crowds?
@KiwiMurph said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@nzzp The super rugby attendance figures sound about right but the provincial attendance figures sound optimistic - does any team pull 7k average home crowds?
I very much doubt it.
15k every year for a football match also seems highly unlikely without a sweetheart deal which defeats the purpose. Unless they know something I don't, the only team that has a chance of pulling that number is the phoenix and they've played maybe 2 games in chch. Planning for one per year is nuts. Maybe one every 4 years would be realistic.
If they did do a deal to get the phoenix down every year then 15k won't happen, I'd guess an average around 10k based on the Auckland experience and accounting for the lower population base.
1 rugby league per year match also seems optimistic, but at least there's a track record of Aussie teams taking home games to Christchurch.
Overall though, I think it just shows how hard it is to make the numbers for a stadium stack up. They're a terrible investment (otherwise the private sector would have long since built one) but do accrue some social benefits, and I suspect that the council have stretched plausibility to make this business case as palatable as possible.
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It must be incredibly frustrating to put together the case for a rugby stadium in NZ.
You know, if you get an AB test, you can sell 35,000 easily. But that will be once a year. Every other game you barely need 15,000.
So, do you build for what you actually need? Or do you put together an optimistic case to pay for what you want.
NZ Rugby's admirable sentiment of spreading the ABs around really does make things more difficult.
