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    I'm sure they will find some way of selecting TJP, even if it is initially for the Maori game against Samoa.

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    • O Old Samurai Jack

      That young no.12 from the Chiefs must be in the conversation now. Does he have a kicking game? Distribution seems sound.

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      @old-samurai-jack Nankivell?

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        @old-samurai-jack Nankivell?

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        @bones That's the one. Probably a bit early yet but showing some real promise.

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          #539

          I wrote down this two weeks ago as an AB 36 just after Super Rugby Aotearoa finished.

          Props: Karl T, Hodgman, De Groot, Laulala, Ofa. T, Angus Ta'avao

          Hooker: Taylor, Aumua, Eklund

          Lock: S. Whitelock (c) , B. Retallick, S. Barrett, Vaa'i

          Back row: A. Ioane, S. Frizell, C. Grace, A. Savea, D. Papali'i, L Jacobson, H. Sotutu

          Half Backs: A. Smith, B. Weber, M. Drummond

          First Fives: R. Mo'unga, B. Barrett, D. McKenzie

          Midfield: D. Havili, ALB, Nankivell, Peter Umaga-Jensen

          Back three: R. Ioane, W. Jordan, S. Reece, Leicester Fainga'anuku, C. Garden-Bachop, J. Barrett

          Probably one too many outside back so one of Nankivell, PUJ or Connor Garden-Bachop can drop out. Tom Robinson and Lachlan Bolshier are in cracking form so could get picked in the back row if one. or more of the capped ABs are injured. Blackadder and Harmon are playing the best Rugby of their careers so far.

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          • F Frye

            An absolute plethora of backrow talent available right now. Even with Cane and Savea injured.

            I'd love to see Jacobson, Papali'i and Blackadder in the same backrow.

            Incredible that the likes of Frizzell, Ioane, Grace or Sotutu could miss out on a 23

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            @frye said in All Blacks 2021:

            An absolute plethora of backrow talent available right now. Even with Cane and Savea injured.

            I'd love to see Jacobson, Papali'i and Blackadder in the same backrow.

            Incredible that the likes of Frizzell, Ioane, Grace or Sotutu could miss out on a 23

            Have to agree. Speaks volumes for the current 6/7/8 pool that the likes of Devan Flanders doesn't get a mention.

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            • sparkyS sparky

              I wrote down this two weeks ago as an AB 36 just after Super Rugby Aotearoa finished.

              Props: Karl T, Hodgman, De Groot, Laulala, Ofa. T, Angus Ta'avao

              Hooker: Taylor, Aumua, Eklund

              Lock: S. Whitelock (c) , B. Retallick, S. Barrett, Vaa'i

              Back row: A. Ioane, S. Frizell, C. Grace, A. Savea, D. Papali'i, L Jacobson, H. Sotutu

              Half Backs: A. Smith, B. Weber, M. Drummond

              First Fives: R. Mo'unga, B. Barrett, D. McKenzie

              Midfield: D. Havili, ALB, Nankivell, Peter Umaga-Jensen

              Back three: R. Ioane, W. Jordan, S. Reece, Leicester Fainga'anuku, C. Garden-Bachop, J. Barrett

              Probably one too many outside back so one of Nankivell, PUJ or Connor Garden-Bachop can drop out. Tom Robinson and Lachlan Bolshier are in cracking form so could get picked in the back row if one. or more of the capped ABs are injured. Blackadder and Harmon are playing the best Rugby of their careers so far.

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              @sparky good list. #9 looks shallow.
              I'm a bit happier about DM at 10 now.
              Would suspect Rieko has an edge along with Leicester for potential midfield support.
              Is Angus Ta'avao playing that well?
              And doesn't SB have some lock/6 competition?

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                What about world cup team?

                It is only two years away...

                This is my pick at the moment:

                1. A Hogman

                2. C Taylor

                3. N Laulala

                4. S Whitelock

                5. S Barrett

                6. E Blackadder / or T Robinson

                7. S Cane(c)

                8. H Sotutu or A Savea

                9. A Smith

                10. R Moanga

                11. C Clarke

                12. D Havili

                13. A Lenert-Brown

                14. W Jordan

                15. DMac or J Barrett

                16. E De Groot

                17. A Aumua

                18. O Tuangafassi

                19. T Vaii

                20. A Ioane or A Savea (depending on who starts)

                21. F Fakatava

                22. B Barrett

                23. R Ioane

                No RTS cos I'm not sure how they will play him. Although if they play him in 15 he will likely be a shoe in.

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                • sparkyS sparky

                  I wrote down this two weeks ago as an AB 36 just after Super Rugby Aotearoa finished.

                  Props: Karl T, Hodgman, De Groot, Laulala, Ofa. T, Angus Ta'avao

                  Hooker: Taylor, Aumua, Eklund

                  Lock: S. Whitelock (c) , B. Retallick, S. Barrett, Vaa'i

                  Back row: A. Ioane, S. Frizell, C. Grace, A. Savea, D. Papali'i, L Jacobson, H. Sotutu

                  Half Backs: A. Smith, B. Weber, M. Drummond

                  First Fives: R. Mo'unga, B. Barrett, D. McKenzie

                  Midfield: D. Havili, ALB, Nankivell, Peter Umaga-Jensen

                  Back three: R. Ioane, W. Jordan, S. Reece, Leicester Fainga'anuku, C. Garden-Bachop, J. Barrett

                  Probably one too many outside back so one of Nankivell, PUJ or Connor Garden-Bachop can drop out. Tom Robinson and Lachlan Bolshier are in cracking form so could get picked in the back row if one. or more of the capped ABs are injured. Blackadder and Harmon are playing the best Rugby of their careers so far.

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                  @sparky said in All Blacks 2021:

                  I wrote down this two weeks ago as an AB 36 just after Super Rugby Aotearoa finished.

                  Props: Karl T, Hodgman, De Groot, Laulala, Ofa. T, Angus Ta'avao

                  Hooker: Taylor, Aumua, Eklund

                  Lock: S. Whitelock (c) , B. Retallick, S. Barrett, Vaa'i

                  Back row: A. Ioane, S. Frizell, C. Grace, A. Savea, D. Papali'i, L Jacobson, H. Sotutu

                  Half Backs: A. Smith, B. Weber, M. Drummond

                  First Fives: R. Mo'unga, B. Barrett, D. McKenzie

                  Midfield: D. Havili, ALB, Nankivell, Peter Umaga-Jensen

                  Back three: R. Ioane, W. Jordan, S. Reece, Leicester Fainga'anuku, C. Garden-Bachop, J. Barrett

                  Probably one too many outside back so one of Nankivell, PUJ or Connor Garden-Bachop can drop out. Tom Robinson and Lachlan Bolshier are in cracking form so could get picked in the back row if one. or more of the capped ABs are injured. Blackadder and Harmon are playing the best Rugby of their careers so far.

                  CGB is gone for the season and PUJ hasn't played or shown much

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                  • M Mackerzzzz

                    What about world cup team?

                    It is only two years away...

                    This is my pick at the moment:

                    1. A Hogman

                    2. C Taylor

                    3. N Laulala

                    4. S Whitelock

                    5. S Barrett

                    6. E Blackadder / or T Robinson

                    7. S Cane(c)

                    8. H Sotutu or A Savea

                    9. A Smith

                    10. R Moanga

                    11. C Clarke

                    12. D Havili

                    13. A Lenert-Brown

                    14. W Jordan

                    15. DMac or J Barrett

                    16. E De Groot

                    17. A Aumua

                    18. O Tuangafassi

                    19. T Vaii

                    20. A Ioane or A Savea (depending on who starts)

                    21. F Fakatava

                    22. B Barrett

                    23. R Ioane

                    No RTS cos I'm not sure how they will play him. Although if they play him in 15 he will likely be a shoe in.

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                    #544

                    @mackerzzzz

                    I'd go for Akira at 6. Think he showed last year he's turned the corner and his work rate in the Trans Ta$man has been exceptional.

                    Would like both Robinson and Blackaddder to get some game time to see how they go. And I'd want to give Jacobson a start at 8 as well as Sotutu.

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                    • M Mackerzzzz

                      @sparky said in All Blacks 2021:

                      I wrote down this two weeks ago as an AB 36 just after Super Rugby Aotearoa finished.

                      Props: Karl T, Hodgman, De Groot, Laulala, Ofa. T, Angus Ta'avao

                      Hooker: Taylor, Aumua, Eklund

                      Lock: S. Whitelock (c) , B. Retallick, S. Barrett, Vaa'i

                      Back row: A. Ioane, S. Frizell, C. Grace, A. Savea, D. Papali'i, L Jacobson, H. Sotutu

                      Half Backs: A. Smith, B. Weber, M. Drummond

                      First Fives: R. Mo'unga, B. Barrett, D. McKenzie

                      Midfield: D. Havili, ALB, Nankivell, Peter Umaga-Jensen

                      Back three: R. Ioane, W. Jordan, S. Reece, Leicester Fainga'anuku, C. Garden-Bachop, J. Barrett

                      Probably one too many outside back so one of Nankivell, PUJ or Connor Garden-Bachop can drop out. Tom Robinson and Lachlan Bolshier are in cracking form so could get picked in the back row if one. or more of the capped ABs are injured. Blackadder and Harmon are playing the best Rugby of their careers so far.

                      CGB is gone for the season and PUJ hasn't played or shown much

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                      @mackerzzzz Didn't know CGB was out for the season. Scrub him from my list and that makes 35.

                      I'd stick with PUJ even though his form hasn't been great. Think he's a handful off the bench for the opposition at International level. Rate his skills and potential more than Ennor's.

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                      • nostrildamusN nostrildamus

                        @sparky good list. #9 looks shallow.
                        I'm a bit happier about DM at 10 now.
                        Would suspect Rieko has an edge along with Leicester for potential midfield support.
                        Is Angus Ta'avao playing that well?
                        And doesn't SB have some lock/6 competition?

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                        @nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2021:

                        @sparky good list. #9 looks shallow.
                        I'm a bit happier about DM at 10 now.
                        Would suspect Rieko has an edge along with Leicester for potential midfield support.
                        Is Angus Ta'avao playing that well?
                        And doesn't SB have some lock/6 competition?

                        Agree about 9. I've been impressed by both the Chiefs and the Highlanders scrums this year. I was worried a couple of weeks ago about Tom. Robinson's defensive work rate, but that has been improved in the last two games.

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                        • sparkyS sparky

                          I wrote down this two weeks ago as an AB 36 just after Super Rugby Aotearoa finished.

                          Props: Karl T, Hodgman, De Groot, Laulala, Ofa. T, Angus Ta'avao

                          Hooker: Taylor, Aumua, Eklund

                          Lock: S. Whitelock (c) , B. Retallick, S. Barrett, Vaa'i

                          Back row: A. Ioane, S. Frizell, C. Grace, A. Savea, D. Papali'i, L Jacobson, H. Sotutu

                          Half Backs: A. Smith, B. Weber, M. Drummond

                          First Fives: R. Mo'unga, B. Barrett, D. McKenzie

                          Midfield: D. Havili, ALB, Nankivell, Peter Umaga-Jensen

                          Back three: R. Ioane, W. Jordan, S. Reece, Leicester Fainga'anuku, C. Garden-Bachop, J. Barrett

                          Probably one too many outside back so one of Nankivell, PUJ or Connor Garden-Bachop can drop out. Tom Robinson and Lachlan Bolshier are in cracking form so could get picked in the back row if one. or more of the capped ABs are injured. Blackadder and Harmon are playing the best Rugby of their careers so far.

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                          @sparky De Groot is definitely one for the future but I think he is behind Ross in the LH prop pecking order.

                          Coles will still be there as you can't beat experience.

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                            Remember when we didn't have enough competition for the 6 spot?

                            Kind of the opposite now.

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                            • BovidaeB Bovidae

                              @sparky De Groot is definitely one for the future but I think he is behind Ross in the LH prop pecking order.

                              Coles will still be there as you can't beat experience.

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                              @bovidae said in All Blacks 2021:

                              @sparky De Groot is definitely one for the future but I think he is behind Ross in the LH prop pecking order.

                              Ross in fantastic form this year. Think De Groot might be the better long-term propsect.

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                                Barring injuries i'd like to see this team get a crack early on in the season:

                                1. Hodgman
                                2. Taylor
                                3. Tu'ungafasi
                                4. Barrett
                                5. Whitelock (c)
                                6. Jacobson
                                7. Savea
                                8. Sotutu
                                9. Smith
                                10. Mo'unga
                                11. Ioane
                                12. Havili
                                13. Leinert Brown
                                14. Jordan
                                15. J Barrett
                                16. Aumua
                                17. Tu'unukuafe
                                18. Laulaula
                                19. Rettalick
                                20. Papali'i
                                21. Weber
                                22. McKenzie
                                23. Fainga'anuku
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                                  #551
                                  1. Karl T
                                  2. Taylor
                                  3. Laulala
                                  4. Retallick
                                  5. Whitelock
                                  6. A. Ioane
                                  7. A. Savea
                                  8. H. Sotutu
                                  9. A. Smith
                                  10. R. Mo'unga
                                  11. L. Fainga'anuka
                                  12. D. Havaii
                                  13. ALB
                                  14. W. Jordan
                                  15. J. Barrett
                                  16. A. Aumua
                                  17. E. De Groot
                                  18. Ofa T
                                  19. S. Barrett
                                  20. D. Papali'i
                                  21. Weber
                                  22. B. Barrett
                                  23. R. Ioane
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                                    1. Karl T
                                    2. Taylor
                                    3. Laulala
                                    4. Retallick
                                    5. Whitelock
                                    6. A. Ioane
                                    7. A. Savea
                                    8. H. Sotutu
                                    9. A. Smith
                                    10. R. Mo'unga
                                    11. L. Fainga'anuka
                                    12. D. Havaii
                                    13. ALB
                                    14. W. Jordan
                                    15. J. Barrett
                                    16. A. Aumua
                                    17. E. De Groot
                                    18. Ofa T
                                    19. S. Barrett
                                    20. D. Papali'i
                                    21. Weber
                                    22. B. Barrett
                                    23. R. Ioane
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                                    @sparky that's more like it! @Mackerzzzz are you picking a side to get knocked out in the pool stage?

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                                    • O Old Samurai Jack

                                      @bones That's the one. Probably a bit early yet but showing some real promise.

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                                      @old-samurai-jack said in All Blacks 2021:

                                      @bones That's the one. Probably a bit early yet but showing some real promise.

                                      He's not exactly a newbie! Been around a few years now. I'm surprised he's only 24.

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                                        https://www.rugbypass.com/news/an-inexperienced-all-blacks-xv-shows-the-unprecedented-depth-of-new-zealand-rugby-in-2021/

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                                        • BovidaeB Bovidae

                                          @sparky De Groot is definitely one for the future but I think he is behind Ross in the LH prop pecking order.

                                          Coles will still be there as you can't beat experience.

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                                          @bovidae said in All Blacks 2021:

                                          Coles will still be there as you can't beat experience.

                                          Trouble is Cole's experience includes a long record in beating the opposition, literally, and far too often, in front of the ref.
                                          Add: I fear as he ages and slows, he'll have less patience and more temptation to see red. Has been a great player for the All Blacks though.

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