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All Blacks 2021

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  • M Mackerzzzz

    What about world cup team?

    It is only two years away...

    This is my pick at the moment:

    1. A Hogman

    2. C Taylor

    3. N Laulala

    4. S Whitelock

    5. S Barrett

    6. E Blackadder / or T Robinson

    7. S Cane(c)

    8. H Sotutu or A Savea

    9. A Smith

    10. R Moanga

    11. C Clarke

    12. D Havili

    13. A Lenert-Brown

    14. W Jordan

    15. DMac or J Barrett

    16. E De Groot

    17. A Aumua

    18. O Tuangafassi

    19. T Vaii

    20. A Ioane or A Savea (depending on who starts)

    21. F Fakatava

    22. B Barrett

    23. R Ioane

    No RTS cos I'm not sure how they will play him. Although if they play him in 15 he will likely be a shoe in.

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    @mackerzzzz

    I'd go for Akira at 6. Think he showed last year he's turned the corner and his work rate in the Trans Ta$man has been exceptional.

    Would like both Robinson and Blackaddder to get some game time to see how they go. And I'd want to give Jacobson a start at 8 as well as Sotutu.

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      @sparky said in All Blacks 2021:

      I wrote down this two weeks ago as an AB 36 just after Super Rugby Aotearoa finished.

      Props: Karl T, Hodgman, De Groot, Laulala, Ofa. T, Angus Ta'avao

      Hooker: Taylor, Aumua, Eklund

      Lock: S. Whitelock (c) , B. Retallick, S. Barrett, Vaa'i

      Back row: A. Ioane, S. Frizell, C. Grace, A. Savea, D. Papali'i, L Jacobson, H. Sotutu

      Half Backs: A. Smith, B. Weber, M. Drummond

      First Fives: R. Mo'unga, B. Barrett, D. McKenzie

      Midfield: D. Havili, ALB, Nankivell, Peter Umaga-Jensen

      Back three: R. Ioane, W. Jordan, S. Reece, Leicester Fainga'anuku, C. Garden-Bachop, J. Barrett

      Probably one too many outside back so one of Nankivell, PUJ or Connor Garden-Bachop can drop out. Tom Robinson and Lachlan Bolshier are in cracking form so could get picked in the back row if one. or more of the capped ABs are injured. Blackadder and Harmon are playing the best Rugby of their careers so far.

      CGB is gone for the season and PUJ hasn't played or shown much

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      @mackerzzzz Didn't know CGB was out for the season. Scrub him from my list and that makes 35.

      I'd stick with PUJ even though his form hasn't been great. Think he's a handful off the bench for the opposition at International level. Rate his skills and potential more than Ennor's.

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      • nostrildamusN nostrildamus

        @sparky good list. #9 looks shallow.
        I'm a bit happier about DM at 10 now.
        Would suspect Rieko has an edge along with Leicester for potential midfield support.
        Is Angus Ta'avao playing that well?
        And doesn't SB have some lock/6 competition?

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        @nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2021:

        @sparky good list. #9 looks shallow.
        I'm a bit happier about DM at 10 now.
        Would suspect Rieko has an edge along with Leicester for potential midfield support.
        Is Angus Ta'avao playing that well?
        And doesn't SB have some lock/6 competition?

        Agree about 9. I've been impressed by both the Chiefs and the Highlanders scrums this year. I was worried a couple of weeks ago about Tom. Robinson's defensive work rate, but that has been improved in the last two games.

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        • sparkyS sparky

          I wrote down this two weeks ago as an AB 36 just after Super Rugby Aotearoa finished.

          Props: Karl T, Hodgman, De Groot, Laulala, Ofa. T, Angus Ta'avao

          Hooker: Taylor, Aumua, Eklund

          Lock: S. Whitelock (c) , B. Retallick, S. Barrett, Vaa'i

          Back row: A. Ioane, S. Frizell, C. Grace, A. Savea, D. Papali'i, L Jacobson, H. Sotutu

          Half Backs: A. Smith, B. Weber, M. Drummond

          First Fives: R. Mo'unga, B. Barrett, D. McKenzie

          Midfield: D. Havili, ALB, Nankivell, Peter Umaga-Jensen

          Back three: R. Ioane, W. Jordan, S. Reece, Leicester Fainga'anuku, C. Garden-Bachop, J. Barrett

          Probably one too many outside back so one of Nankivell, PUJ or Connor Garden-Bachop can drop out. Tom Robinson and Lachlan Bolshier are in cracking form so could get picked in the back row if one. or more of the capped ABs are injured. Blackadder and Harmon are playing the best Rugby of their careers so far.

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          @sparky De Groot is definitely one for the future but I think he is behind Ross in the LH prop pecking order.

          Coles will still be there as you can't beat experience.

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            Remember when we didn't have enough competition for the 6 spot?

            Kind of the opposite now.

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            • BovidaeB Bovidae

              @sparky De Groot is definitely one for the future but I think he is behind Ross in the LH prop pecking order.

              Coles will still be there as you can't beat experience.

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              @bovidae said in All Blacks 2021:

              @sparky De Groot is definitely one for the future but I think he is behind Ross in the LH prop pecking order.

              Ross in fantastic form this year. Think De Groot might be the better long-term propsect.

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                #550

                Barring injuries i'd like to see this team get a crack early on in the season:

                1. Hodgman
                2. Taylor
                3. Tu'ungafasi
                4. Barrett
                5. Whitelock (c)
                6. Jacobson
                7. Savea
                8. Sotutu
                9. Smith
                10. Mo'unga
                11. Ioane
                12. Havili
                13. Leinert Brown
                14. Jordan
                15. J Barrett
                16. Aumua
                17. Tu'unukuafe
                18. Laulaula
                19. Rettalick
                20. Papali'i
                21. Weber
                22. McKenzie
                23. Fainga'anuku
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                  #551
                  1. Karl T
                  2. Taylor
                  3. Laulala
                  4. Retallick
                  5. Whitelock
                  6. A. Ioane
                  7. A. Savea
                  8. H. Sotutu
                  9. A. Smith
                  10. R. Mo'unga
                  11. L. Fainga'anuka
                  12. D. Havaii
                  13. ALB
                  14. W. Jordan
                  15. J. Barrett
                  16. A. Aumua
                  17. E. De Groot
                  18. Ofa T
                  19. S. Barrett
                  20. D. Papali'i
                  21. Weber
                  22. B. Barrett
                  23. R. Ioane
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                  • sparkyS sparky
                    1. Karl T
                    2. Taylor
                    3. Laulala
                    4. Retallick
                    5. Whitelock
                    6. A. Ioane
                    7. A. Savea
                    8. H. Sotutu
                    9. A. Smith
                    10. R. Mo'unga
                    11. L. Fainga'anuka
                    12. D. Havaii
                    13. ALB
                    14. W. Jordan
                    15. J. Barrett
                    16. A. Aumua
                    17. E. De Groot
                    18. Ofa T
                    19. S. Barrett
                    20. D. Papali'i
                    21. Weber
                    22. B. Barrett
                    23. R. Ioane
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                    #552

                    @sparky that's more like it! @Mackerzzzz are you picking a side to get knocked out in the pool stage?

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                    • O Old Samurai Jack

                      @bones That's the one. Probably a bit early yet but showing some real promise.

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                      @old-samurai-jack said in All Blacks 2021:

                      @bones That's the one. Probably a bit early yet but showing some real promise.

                      He's not exactly a newbie! Been around a few years now. I'm surprised he's only 24.

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                        https://www.rugbypass.com/news/an-inexperienced-all-blacks-xv-shows-the-unprecedented-depth-of-new-zealand-rugby-in-2021/

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                        • BovidaeB Bovidae

                          @sparky De Groot is definitely one for the future but I think he is behind Ross in the LH prop pecking order.

                          Coles will still be there as you can't beat experience.

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                          @bovidae said in All Blacks 2021:

                          Coles will still be there as you can't beat experience.

                          Trouble is Cole's experience includes a long record in beating the opposition, literally, and far too often, in front of the ref.
                          Add: I fear as he ages and slows, he'll have less patience and more temptation to see red. Has been a great player for the All Blacks though.

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                            @bovidae said in All Blacks 2021:

                            Coles will still be there as you can't beat experience.

                            Trouble is Cole's experience includes a long record in beating the opposition, literally, and far too often, in front of the ref.
                            Add: I fear as he ages and slows, he'll have less patience and more temptation to see red. Has been a great player for the All Blacks though.

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                            @nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2021:

                            @bovidae said in All Blacks 2021:

                            Coles will still be there as you can't beat experience.

                            Trouble is Cole's experience includes a long record in beating the opposition, literally, and far too often, in front of the ref.
                            Add: I fear as he ages and slows, he'll have less patience and more temptation to see red. Has been a great player for the All Blacks though.

                            How often has Coles discipline been an issue at test level? I feel the opposite but probably more from personal experience - the longer in the tooth you get, the more likely you'll be able to pick up opposition cards than your own.

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                              Love Dane Coles, one of the greatest ever AB Hookers but injuries mean he is in the twilight of his career. Going forward I think Kurt Eklund and Bradley Slater will offer the ABs more.

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                                Williams, the newish Cantab Prop, might make the ABs this year.

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                                  The back rowers that have impressed me the most this season have been papalii, Jacobson and blackadder. I was surprised how good the latter was at 7. Grace put in a good showing too vs the reds, but he has been otherwise somewhat quiet.

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                                  • sparkyS sparky

                                    Love Dane Coles, one of the greatest ever AB Hookers but injuries mean he is in the twilight of his career. Going forward I think Kurt Eklund and Bradley Slater will offer the ABs more.

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                                    @sparky I feel like I'm on your period journey with you most of the time, but sometimes you jump the shark and just throw random shit out there.

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                                    • BonesB Bones

                                      https://www.rugbypass.com/news/an-inexperienced-all-blacks-xv-shows-the-unprecedented-depth-of-new-zealand-rugby-in-2021/

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                                      @bones said in All Blacks 2021:

                                      https://www.rugbypass.com/news/an-inexperienced-all-blacks-xv-shows-the-unprecedented-depth-of-new-zealand-rugby-in-2021/

                                      Apart from Josh Ioane (I'd go for Otere Black), that AB (10 caps or less team) looks bloody potent.

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                                      • sparkyS sparky

                                        Williams, the newish Cantab Prop, might make the ABs this year.

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                                        @sparky the guy is a walking fridge but can move aswell. Will be bloody tempting having him come off the bench this year.

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                                        • Canes4lifeC Canes4life

                                          @sparky the guy is a walking fridge but can move aswell. Will be bloody tempting having him come off the bench this year.

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                                          @canes4life said in All Blacks 2021:

                                          @sparky the guy is a walking fridge but can move aswell. Will be bloody tempting having him come off the bench this year.

                                          South Africa and England think they can mug us up front. I want AB forwards who can break their players.

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